ECT The Pre-Trib Rapture

[john w]

Look in the mirror is you actually want to see a sower of discord among the brethren. You come on this thread and you have yet to say a single thing about the rapture. And no wonder since you haven't been born again!

All you will do is to post a lot of nonsense in the hope that no one will read what I wrote here:

It is not difficult to prove that the catching up living saints will happen prior to the great tribulation because the Scriptures declare in no uncertain terms that the rapture can happen at any time. That rules out the idea that the appearance of the Lord Jesus mentioned at Matthew 24:30 is when the saints will be raptured because before that appearance can happen certain things must precede that appearance, such as the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place (Mt.24:15).

Since the appearance of the Lord mentioned at Matthew 24:30 cannot happen until the abomination of desolations stands in the holy place then that appearance cannot happen at any time so it is not the same appearing mentioned here:

"For our citizenship is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body...The Lord is at hand (eggus)" (Phil.3:20-21;4:5).​

The Greek word eggus means "of times imminent and soon to come to pass" (Thayer's Greek English Lexicon).

Paul Sadler, past President of the Berean Bible Society, says the following about the events which will happen when the Lord Jesus returns at the rapture:

"According to Paul's gospel the Rapture is 'imminent,' that is, it could take place at any moment. There are no signs, times, or seasons that will precede this glorious event" [emphasis mine] (Sadler, "The Present Obsession With the Anti-Christ," The Berean Searchlight, June, 1999, 7).

Those who received the Hebrew epistles were also taught that the Lord's appearing could happen at any moment, as witnessed by the words of James here:

"You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord's coming is near" (James 5:8).​

The Greek word translated "is near" at James 5:8 is eggizo and in this verse that word means "to be imminent" (A Greek English Lexicon, Liddell & Scott [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1940], 467).

In an article found on the "Pre-Trib Research Center" web site Dr. Renald E. Showers writes:

"In light of James' statements C. Leslie Mitton wrote, 'James clearly believed, as others of his time did, that the coming of Christ was imminent.' On the basis of James' statements we can conclude that Christ's coming was imminent in New Testament times and continues to be so today, and that this fact should make a difference in the way Christians live" [emphasis added] (Showers, The Imminent Coming of Christ).​

We also know that only members of the Body of Christ will take part in the rapture. Paul Sadler wrote:

"The 'secret' resurrection that will take place at the Rapture should never be confused with the 'first' resurrection at the Second Coming of Christ. Those who rightly divide the Word of truth now see that only the members of the Body of Christ will be raised at the Rapture" [emphasis mine] (Sadler, Exploring the Unsearchable Riches of Christ [Stephens Point, WI: Worzalla Publishing Co., 1993], 167).​

From all of this we can understand that those who originally received the Hebrew epistles were waiting for an imminent appearance of the Lord Jesus and therefore were indeed members of the Body of Christ.

This completely destroys the mistaken view in the Neo-MAD community where it is taught that those who received the Hebrew epistles were not members of the Body of Christ.

Prove that you are a John 3 "anything bringforth from the first," old man Nicky. Prove it, you admitted sower of discord, amongst the brethren. Prove that you are a member of "the Israel of God," and that is equivalent to the boc, admitted bible blender, and that the LORD God is done with the believing remnant of the nation of Israel, as you state, on record, Replacement Theology "Full Pretersist." Prove that the Lord Jesus Christ, already came, "the second time," as you assert, on record.

Go ahead, John 3 Nicky. Show us "born again" in Paul's epistles.


Not a peep.

 

[john w]

This completely destroys the mistaken view in the Neo-MAD community where it is taught that those who received the Hebrew epistles were not members of the Body of Christ.

Wow, clown! Add that spam to your "arsenal," which you spam on every third "post."

Romans-Philemon completely destroys the mistaken view in your "it all says the same thing/Replacement Theology" blender community where it is taught that the boc=the nation of Israel, as you assert,and that you are a dispensationalist.



Once again, you refuse to believe the bible, Preteist bible blender John 3 Nicky Shugart,you laughingstock old, confused "warmed over" Israel, John 3 Nicky, Replacement Theology proponent, bible corrector/mystic/agnostic/blender John 3 Nicky, "it all says the same thing," admitted Full Preterist, tell us about the antichrist having already appeared, about the Day of the Lord already having occurred, "the second time," the second coming having already occurred, about how we are already experiencing the new heaven and new earth, about how God has, now, "in this dispensation," wiped away all tears from our eyes, that there is no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor any more pain, as these are passed away.

Not only have this confused old man been exposed as a humanist, a bible blender, a "Replacement 'Theology'" proponent, but also as a "Full Preterist".To wit, again:

The Hebrew epistles were written and received during the present dispensation. If the doctrine found in those epistles is not for the present dispensation then those who received those epistles would have been told that it is not for the present dispensation.

The Hebrew epistles will be searched in vain for any instance where the author tells his hearers that the doctrine is not for the present dispensation but instead for a future one.

Perhaps that issue is addressed in the book?

If what is said in John's first epistle was for a future dispensation then John would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation."

... those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting

1 John 2 KJV

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

JerryS:If what is said in John's first epistle was for a future dispensation then John would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." Those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting the last time as "now," when it was written, as the antichrist is not for some future dispensation-He already came!!!!!!!!!!!

1 John 2 KJV

28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Hebrews 9 KJV

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.



Jerry S:If what is said in John's first epistle, and in Hebrews, was for a future dispensation then John, the author of Hebrews, would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." The Lord Jesus Christ's second coming is not for a future dispensation-Those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting the second coming then at that time!! It already occurred hundreds of years ago, not in some future dispensation!!!!!Didn't you read about it, in "Preterist Weekly?"



Hebrews 1 KJV

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;



James 5 KJV

3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

1 Peter 1 KJV

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.



1 Peter 1 KJV

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,


JerryS:If what is said in the author of Hebrews' epistle, in James' epistle, in Peter's epistle, was for a future dispensation then the author of Hebrews, James, Peter, would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." Those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting the last days, the last time(s), then, not in not the future!!!!!!!!!!!!The last days already happened!!!





Genesis 3:15 KJV
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

JerryS:If what is said in Genesis 3:15 KJV was for a future dispensation, perhaps thousands of years in the future, then the author of Genesis would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation."


Joel 3:14 KJV Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

JerryS:If what is said in Joel was for a future dispensation then the author of Joel would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." The day of the Lord has already happened!!


Zephaniah 1:14 KJV The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

JerryS:If what is said in Zephaniah was for a future dispensation then the author of Zephaniah would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation."The great day of the Lord has already happened!!!


Revelation 21 KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.


JerryS:If what is said in Revelation, by John, was for a future dispensation then John would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." Those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting the state of no more death,no more tears now, no more sorrow,no more crying,no pain ,the new heaven and new earth at that time, not for a future dispensation!!! There is no more death,no more tears now, no more sorrow,no more crying,no pain , now, and we are in the new heaven and new earth now!!!!!

Puh rayzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawd!!!


You cannot be this stupid of a bible blender....I take that back.

"We see" that you have no answers, and if you were honest, you cannot deny that you have no answers.


How did I do?


There is no doubt whatsoever that you do not believe the bible.


How did I do?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Not a peep.

Of course we hear nothing from you about the subject of this thread. The following passage provides even MORE EVIDENCE that the Jewish believers were expecting an "imminent" return of the Lord Jesus:

"So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look (apekdechomai) for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation" (Heb.9:28).​

Here the Greek word apekdechomai is used and it means "to expect, wait or look for" (The Analytical Greek Lexicon Revised, 37).

If the "appearing" of the Lord Jesus could not happen until certain prophesised events occured (such as the tribuation and the signs in the sky) then it is evident that before those events happened no one would be looking for that appearance, much less eagerly looking for that appearance:

apekdechomai: "To await eagerly or expectantly for some future event...to look forward eagerly, to await expectantly " (Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament Based on Semantic Domains; Volume 2, ed. Louw and Nida, 296).

Sonny boy teaches that the appearance of the Lord Jesus which those who received the book of Hebrews were eagerly awaiting is the following one:

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place...For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be...and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" (Mt.24:15,21,30).​

It is evident to anyone who will use his brain that those who received the book of Hebrews would not be looking for the Lord "expectantly" if the Lord's appearance spoken of at Hebrews 9:28 is one which must be preceded by the setting up of the abomination of desolation and the great tribulation. They would not be "expecting" Him to appear until those events had already happened so it is impossible that they would be "looking" for Him to appear and it would also be impossible for them to be "waiting expectantly" for His appearance if the appearance in view is the one described at Matthew 24:30.

The only coming of the Lord which they would be looking for expectantly is the one described by Paul here:

"For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for (apekdechomai) the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself" (Phil.3:20-21).​

The folks at StudyLight.org have the following to say about the Greek word apekdechomai:

"The word occurs in Philippians 3:20 where it is translated 'look for' (KJV) or 'eagerly wait' (NKJV, NASB), indicating the intense feeling of imminency characteristic of those in the first century who were actively watching for the coming of the Lord from glory."​

That is exactly the same Greek word used by the author of Hebrews in the verse under discussion:

"So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look (apekdechomai) for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation" (Heb.9:28).​

The Greek word apekdechomai is used six times in the NT (Ro.8:23,25, 1 Cor.1:7, Gal.5:5, Phil.3:20, Heb.9:28) and in every single instance it is used in connection with the Lord Jesus' coming at the rapture. Common sense dictates that the author of Hebrews would not be urging anyone to be looking for the appearance of the Lord Jesus with an attitude of eager expectancy unless that appearance could happen at any moment.

But johnny boy has not yet been born again so he remains clueless about the rapture.

 

[john w]

Of course we hear nothing from you about the subject of this thread. The following passage provides even MORE EVIDENCE that the Jewish believers were expecting an "imminent" return of the Lord Jesus:

"So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look (apekdechomai) for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation" (Heb.9:28).​

Here the Greek word apekdechomai is used and it means "to expect, wait or look for" (The Analytical Greek Lexicon Revised, 37).

If the "appearing" of the Lord Jesus could not happen until certain prophesised events occured (such as the tribuation and the signs in the sky) then it is evident that before those events happened no one would be looking for that appearance, much less eagerly looking for that appearance:

apekdechomai: "To await eagerly or expectantly for some future event...to look forward eagerly, to await expectantly " (Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament Based on Semantic Domains; Volume 2, ed. Louw and Nida, 296).

Sonny boy teaches that the appearance of the Lord Jesus which those who received the book of Hebrews were eagerly awaiting is the following one:

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place...For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be...and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" (Mt.24:15,21,30).​

It is evident to anyone who will use his brain that those who received the book of Hebrews would not be looking for the Lord "expectantly" if the Lord's appearance spoken of at Hebrews 9:28 is one which must be preceded by the setting up of the abomination of desolation and the great tribulation. They would not be "expecting" Him to appear until those events had already happened so it is impossible that they would be "looking" for Him to appear and it would also be impossible for them to be "waiting expectantly" for His appearance if the appearance in view is the one described at Matthew 24:30.

The only coming of the Lord which they would be looking for expectantly is the one described by Paul here:

"For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for (apekdechomai) the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself" (Phil.3:20-21).​

The folks at StudyLight.org have the following to say about the Greek word apekdechomai:

"The word occurs in Philippians 3:20 where it is translated 'look for' (KJV) or 'eagerly wait' (NKJV, NASB), indicating the intense feeling of imminency characteristic of those in the first century who were actively watching for the coming of the Lord from glory."​

That is exactly the same Greek word used by the author of Hebrews in the verse under discussion:

"So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look (apekdechomai) for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation" (Heb.9:28).​

The Greek word apekdechomai is used six times in the NT (Ro.8:23,25, 1 Cor.1:7, Gal.5:5, Phil.3:20, Heb.9:28) and in every single instance it is used in connection with the Lord Jesus' coming at the rapture. Common sense dictates that the author of Hebrews would not be urging anyone to be looking for the appearance of the Lord Jesus with an attitude of eager expectancy unless that appearance could happen at any moment.

But johnny boy has not yet been born again so he remains clueless about the rapture.

Of course, John 3 Nicky thinks he is a tough guy with his "johnny boy" zinger, even though I've seen pics of this old man, on other sites, and he is pathetic looking, about 5'4", weak looking, balding, looking like Wally Cox, as "Mr. Peepers."
Of course we hear nothing from you about the subject of most of the threads on TOl, as this confused old man, just spams irrelevant scriptures from the man teachers, he worships, like "sir" Robert andserson, his avatar, and who teaches that Jesus Christ is not God, teaches that we are all sinless, now, as are "little ones," and that there is no need for salvation, since we are all sinless, identical to the Saviour.

Show us, where Paul ever refers to members of the boc, as "born again," John 3 fake Nicky, posing as a Jew. Go ahead, you wicked Replacement Theology thief, "it all says the same thing" fraud.

...The Greek....Strong's says.......................................................

(666 times the last year)


I can play, too, Nicky, your "The Greek....Strong's says" scam.

John 3 KJV
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.


John 3:3 KJV....Strong's numbers indicating "the Greek" words:

Jesus <2424> answered <611> (5662) and <2532> said <2036> (5627) unto him <846>, Verily <281>, verily <281>, I say <3004> (5719) unto thee <4671>, Except <3362> a man <5100> be born <1080> (5686) again <509>, he cannot <1410> (5736) <3756> see <1492> (5629) the kingdom <932> of God <2316>.


I translate it as follows, employing Strong's::

Jesus answered and bid them Amen, Amen, I tell thee, If not anything bringforth from the first he cannot perceive the kingdom of the godly.


Nuttin' to this Strong's/"The Greek" game.


Fraud.Scammer, as you know no "the Greek," cannot speak it, cannot write it, cannot understand it, and could not get a job at a "the Greek" restaurant mopping floors.


You "Strong's" scammers think that by just pairing Greek words, from Strong's, to their "only one" English word equivalent, you can "translate."


Are you "anything bringforth from the first," old man John 3 Nicky?

 

[john w]

Of course we hear nothing from you about the subject of this thread. The following passage provides even MORE EVIDENCE that the Jewish believers were expecting an "imminent" return of the Lord Jesus:

"So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look (apekdechomai) for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation" (Heb.9:28).​

Here the Greek word apekdechomai is used and it means "to expect, wait or look for" (The Analytical Greek Lexicon Revised, 37).

If the "appearing" of the Lord Jesus could not happen until certain prophesised events occured (such as the tribuation and the signs in the sky) then it is evident that before those events happened no one would be looking for that appearance, much less eagerly looking for that appearance:

apekdechomai: "To await eagerly or expectantly for some future event...to look forward eagerly, to await expectantly " (Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament Based on Semantic Domains; Volume 2, ed. Louw and Nida, 296).

Sonny boy teaches that the appearance of the Lord Jesus which those who received the book of Hebrews were eagerly awaiting is the following one:

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place...For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be...and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" (Mt.24:15,21,30).​

It is evident to anyone who will use his brain that those who received the book of Hebrews would not be looking for the Lord "expectantly" if the Lord's appearance spoken of at Hebrews 9:28 is one which must be preceded by the setting up of the abomination of desolation and the great tribulation. They would not be "expecting" Him to appear until those events had already happened so it is impossible that they would be "looking" for Him to appear and it would also be impossible for them to be "waiting expectantly" for His appearance if the appearance in view is the one described at Matthew 24:30.

The only coming of the Lord which they would be looking for expectantly is the one described by Paul here:

"For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for (apekdechomai) the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself" (Phil.3:20-21).​

The folks at StudyLight.org have the following to say about the Greek word apekdechomai:

"The word occurs in Philippians 3:20 where it is translated 'look for' (KJV) or 'eagerly wait' (NKJV, NASB), indicating the intense feeling of imminency characteristic of those in the first century who were actively watching for the coming of the Lord from glory."​

That is exactly the same Greek word used by the author of Hebrews in the verse under discussion:

"So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look (apekdechomai) for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation" (Heb.9:28).​

The Greek word apekdechomai is used six times in the NT (Ro.8:23,25, 1 Cor.1:7, Gal.5:5, Phil.3:20, Heb.9:28) and in every single instance it is used in connection with the Lord Jesus' coming at the rapture. Common sense dictates that the author of Hebrews would not be urging anyone to be looking for the appearance of the Lord Jesus with an attitude of eager expectancy unless that appearance could happen at any moment.

But johnny boy has not yet been born again so he remains clueless about the rapture.

Romans-Philemon completely destroys the mistaken view in your "it all says the same thing/Replacement Theology" blender community where it is taught that the boc=the nation of Israel, as you assert,and that you are a dispensationalist.



Once again, you refuse to believe the bible, Preteist bible blender John 3 Nicky Shugart,you laughingstock old, confused "warmed over" Israel, John 3 Nicky, Replacement Theology proponent, bible corrector/mystic/agnostic/blender John 3 Nicky, "it all says the same thing," admitted Full Preterist, tell us about the antichrist having already appeared, about the Day of the Lord already having occurred, "the second time," the second coming having already occurred, about how we are already experiencing the new heaven and new earth, about how God has, now, "in this dispensation," wiped away all tears from our eyes, that there is no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor any more pain, as these are passed away.

Not only have this confused old man been exposed as a humanist, a bible blender, a "Replacement 'Theology'" proponent, but also as a "Full Preterist".To wit, again:

The Hebrew epistles were written and received during the present dispensation. If the doctrine found in those epistles is not for the present dispensation then those who received those epistles would have been told that it is not for the present dispensation.

The Hebrew epistles will be searched in vain for any instance where the author tells his hearers that the doctrine is not for the present dispensation but instead for a future one.

Perhaps that issue is addressed in the book?

If what is said in John's first epistle was for a future dispensation then John would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation."

... those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting

1 John 2 KJV

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

JerryS:If what is said in John's first epistle was for a future dispensation then John would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." Those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting the last time as "now," when it was written, as the antichrist is not for some future dispensation-He already came!!!!!!!!!!!

1 John 2 KJV

28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Hebrews 9 KJV

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.



Jerry S:If what is said in John's first epistle, and in Hebrews, was for a future dispensation then John, the author of Hebrews, would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." The Lord Jesus Christ's second coming is not for a future dispensation-Those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting the second coming then at that time!! It already occurred hundreds of years ago, not in some future dispensation!!!!!Didn't you read about it, in "Preterist Weekly?"



Hebrews 1 KJV

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;



James 5 KJV

3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

1 Peter 1 KJV

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.



1 Peter 1 KJV

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,


JerryS:If what is said in the author of Hebrews' epistle, in James' epistle, in Peter's epistle, was for a future dispensation then the author of Hebrews, James, Peter, would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." Those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting the last days, the last time(s), then, not in not the future!!!!!!!!!!!!The last days already happened!!!





Genesis 3:15 KJV
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

JerryS:If what is said in Genesis 3:15 KJV was for a future dispensation, perhaps thousands of years in the future, then the author of Genesis would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation."


Joel 3:14 KJV Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

JerryS:If what is said in Joel was for a future dispensation then the author of Joel would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." The day of the Lord has already happened!!


Zephaniah 1:14 KJV The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

JerryS:If what is said in Zephaniah was for a future dispensation then the author of Zephaniah would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation."The great day of the Lord has already happened!!!


Revelation 21 KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.


JerryS:If what is said in Revelation, by John, was for a future dispensation then John would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." Those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting the state of no more death,no more tears now, no more sorrow,no more crying,no pain ,the new heaven and new earth at that time, not for a future dispensation!!! There is no more death,no more tears now, no more sorrow,no more crying,no pain , now, and we are in the new heaven and new earth now!!!!!

Puh rayzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawd!!!


You cannot be this stupid of a bible blender....I take that back.

"We see" that you have no answers, and if you were honest, you cannot deny that you have no answers.


How did I do?


There is no doubt whatsoever that you do not believe the bible.


How did I do?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Show us, where Paul ever refers to members of the boc, as "born again,"

Of course you are not born again or else you would understand that no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born again (Jn.3:3).

 

[john w]

Of course you are not born again or else you would understand that no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born again (Jn.3:3).

Did the confused old man, who asserts that he does not sin, answer his own "argument?" Nope.

Show us, where Paul ever refers to members of the boc, as "born again."

 

[john w]

Of course you are not born again or else you would understand that no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born again (Jn.3:3).

John 3:3, employing Strong's:

Jesus answered and bid them Amen, Amen, I tell thee, If not anything bringforth from the first he cannot perceive the kingdom of the godly.

Well, confused old man, Of course you are not anything bringforth from the first you would understand that no one can enter the kingdom of the godly unless one bringforth from the first.


Nothin' to this "the Greek."

But John 3 Nicky, frail looking,baldy Mr. Peepers has not yet been saved, he remains clueless about the rapture, thinking it is the same as "the second time," the second coming," as all "it all says the same thing" bible blenders, rejectors of the dispensational approach are, like this sap, whose been banned from numerous sites, for his blending, fraud,

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Show us, where Paul ever refers to members of the boc, as "born again."

Here Paul speaks about a second birth experienced by those in the Body of Christ:

"For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel" (1 Cor.4:15).​

The Greek word translated "begotten" means "to be born." So when Paul preached the gospel to them they were born a second time and therefore "born again."

And that is exactly what Peter is speaking about here:

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever...And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you" (1 Pet.1:23,25).​

Those of us have been born again were born of God because they are the same thing. And that is exactly how a person becomes a child of God. Or do you think that once a person sins that he can become a child of God unless he is born of God?:

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (Jn.1:12-13).​

Sonny boy, why can't you just believe that no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born again (Jn.3:3)?

The LORD is not going to make any exceptions just for you.

 

[john w]

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[john w]

Here Paul speaks about a second birth experienced by those in the Body of Christ:

"For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel" (1 Cor.4:15).​

The Greek word translated "begotten" means "to be born." So when Paul preached the gospel to them they were born a second time and therefore "born again."

You know no "The Greek," you poser, as you can't read/write/speak/understand it. Who do you think you are trying to kid, fraud, your Aunt Sally? And there is no such thing as "The Greek," you con artist.

Deception. Non responsive. The confused old man, as a clown, explains, "splains away," but asserting, on record, that the Holy Spirit is an idiot, as much of an idiot as Nicky, in his choice of words, "born again," and that that same Holy Spirit "meant" "born again" in Romans-Philemon, but just was not able to use that terms, being important, and lazy, like Nicky Shugart, who, once again, asserts, "Well, it all says the same thing, you see, well, uh, urr..."

You are a deceitful sap, confused old man, Replacement Theology proponent, just like your bud Pate, posing as a "Jew," but secretly hating Israel.

Poser. Fraud.

Show us where Paul ever refers to members of the boc as "born again."


I thoughtso.

And that is exactly what Peter is speaking about here:

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever...And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you" (1 Pet.1:23,25).​

Those of us have been born again were born of God because they are the same thing. And that is exactly how a person becomes a child of God. Or do you think that once a person sins that he can become a child of God unless he is born of God?:

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (Jn.1:12-13).​

Nicky Shugart. Paul=Peter, and the strangers=the boc, as it all says the same thing.

Liar.

Sonny boy, why can't you just believe that no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born again (Jn.3:3)?

The LORD is not going to make any exceptions just for you.

Frail old, confused man,why don't you believe the bible?


John 3:3, employing Strong's:

Jesus answered and bid them Amen, Amen, I tell thee, If not anything bringforth from the first he cannot perceive the kingdom of the godly.

Well, confused old man, Of course you are not anything bringforth from the first you would understand that no one can enter the kingdom of the godly unless one bringforth from the first.


Nothin' to this "the Greek."

Why can't you just believe that no one can enter the kingdom of the godly unless one bringforth from the first?

Why can't you understand that you are not a Jew, Nicky poser Shugart?


But John 3 Nicky, frail looking,baldy Mr. Peepers has not yet been saved, he remains clueless about the rapture, thinking it is the same as "the second time," the second coming," as all "it all says the same thing" bible blenders, rejectors of the dispensational approach are, like this sap, whose been banned from numerous sites, for his blending, fraud,

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Shugart:box:saint john w

 

[Tambora]

Shugart:box:saint john w

Place your bets.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Nicky Shugart. Paul=Peter, and the strangers=the boc, as it all says the same thing.

Liar.

johnny boy's got his panties in a knot again! He thinks that I am telling a lie when I said that being "born again" and being "born of God" is the same birth.

As if a person is "born of God" but has not yet "born again," and even though the Scriptures reveal that both births happen as a result of believing (1 Pet.1:23-25; 1 Jn.5:1).

 

[Danoh]

No, the word "generation" is a mis-translation.

The Lord Jesus' return to the earth in the first century was dependent on Israel's repentance but anyone in their right mind knows that nation did not repent:

"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you" (Acts 3:19-20).​

...

One more of your many blunders, Jerry the Books Based Programs Blender.

:chuckle:

Your blunder on that is one that is often parroted by some within one form of Mid-Acts or another, but it is off; is not what many others within Mid-Acts actually hold on that.

We hold that the Lord's return has NEVER been based on Israel's repentance.

In Acts 3, Peter was actually saying that those of his nation who repented of their nation's having crucified their Christ: the Son of God, would have their sins blotted out collectively as a nation, when their Prophesied times of refreshing come AFTER the Lord returns to them IN HIS WRATH, followed by His blessing them.

In this, Acts 3 is no more a contradiction of Matthew 3's WRATH TO COME, than Matthew 3 is of Malachi 3's wrath, than Malachi 3 is of Daniel 9's, and so on, all the way back to when Moses first prophesied all that.

Just as His return in His Wrath, only then followed by His blessing them at last is the sense of Romans 11:26, 27, see Romans 9.

Want some more, you Books Based Programs Blender?

:chuckle:

Matthew 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Does that look like all Israel's repentance is the condition for His return?

Nope?

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Try a bit more 2 Tim. 2:15, you Hymanaeus, lol

Rom. 5: 6-8.

 

[john w]

johnny boy's got his panties in a knot again! He thinks that I am telling a lie when I said that being "born again" and being "born of God" is the same birth.

As if a person is "born of God" but has not yet "born again," and even though the Scriptures reveal that both births happen as a result of believing (1 Pet.1:23-25; 1 Jn.5:1).

Here Paul speaks about a second birth experienced by those in the Body of Christ:

"For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel" (1 Cor.4:15).​

The Greek word translated "begotten" means "to be born." So when Paul preached the gospel to them they were born a second time and therefore "born again."

You know no "The Greek," you poser, as you can't read/write/speak/understand it. Who do you think you are trying to kid, fraud, your Aunt Sally? And there is no such thing as "The Greek," you con artist.

Deception. Non responsive. The confused old man, as a clown, explains, "splains away," but asserting, on record, that the Holy Spirit is an idiot, as much of an idiot as Nicky, in his choice of words, "born again," and that that same Holy Spirit "meant" "born again" in Romans-Philemon, but just was not able to use that terms, being impotent, and lazy, like Nicky Shugart, who, once again, asserts, "Well, it all says the same thing, you see, well, uh, urr..."

You are a deceitful sap, confused old man, Replacement Theology proponent, just like your bud Pate, posing as a "Jew," but secretly hating Israel.

Poser. Fraud.

Show us where Paul ever refers to members of the boc as "born again."


I thought so.

And that is exactly what Peter is speaking about here:

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever...And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you" (1 Pet.1:23,25).​

Those of us have been born again were born of God because they are the same thing. And that is exactly how a person becomes a child of God. Or do you think that once a person sins that he can become a child of God unless he is born of God?:

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (Jn.1:12-13).​

Nicky Shugart. Paul=Peter, and the strangers=the boc, as it all says the same thing.

Liar.

Sonny boy, why can't you just believe that no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born again (Jn.3:3)?

The LORD is not going to make any exceptions just for you.

Frail old, confused man,why don't you believe the bible?


John 3:3, employing Strong's:

Jesus answered and bid them Amen, Amen, I tell thee, If not anything bringforth from the first he cannot perceive the kingdom of the godly.

Well, confused old man, Of course you are not anything bringforth from the first you would understand that no one can enter the kingdom of the godly unless one bringforth from the first.


Nothin' to this "the Greek."

Why can't you just believe that no one can enter the kingdom of the godly unless one bringforth from the first?

Why can't you understand that you are not a Jew, Nicky poser Shugart?


But John 3 Nicky, frail looking,baldy Mr. Peepers has not yet been saved, he remains clueless about the rapture, thinking it is the same as "the second time," the second coming," as all "it all says the same thing" bible blenders, rejectors of the dispensational approach are, like this sap, whose been banned from numerous sites, for his blending, fraud,

 

[john w]

johnny boy's got his panties in a knot again! He thinks that I am telling a lie when I said that being "born again" and being "born of God" is the same birth.

As if a person is "born of God" but has not yet "born again," and even though the Scriptures reveal that both births happen as a result of believing (1 Pet.1:23-25; 1 Jn.5:1).

Why can't you just believe that no one can enter the kingdom of the godly unless one bringforth from the first, "it all says the same ting," I , John 3 Nicky Replacement Theology Proponent? So, NickyShugart asserts that the boc=Israel, and I, Nicky Dummy, assert that I am a Jew, and that the boc=the strangers, so I will spam my cute little "johnny boy's got his panties in a knot again," and assert that Hebrews-Revelation" is all about the boc, as I assert "even though the Scriptures reveal that both births happen as a result of believing (1 Pet.1:23-25; 1 Jn.5:1"-addressed to me, a Jew!!!!

You're a clown, in a parade of clowns, an admitted, by your own words, a bible corrector/agnostic/mystic/blender, asserting, "it all says the same thing," and who changes words, deletes words, replaces words, satanically, in the bible,or finds versions, that support his "the body of Christ is born again" made up theory, to support his blender "doctrine," as his blender doctrine determines what the bible is, and what it should say. If it does not, he changes the book, citing "the Greek," of which he cannot speak/write/read/understand, which he fraudulently spams, even though there is no such thing as "the Greek," or satanically, deceptively employs Strong's," to support his made up jazz, thinking that by "translating" "the Greek" words, to their "the English" equivalent, he can arrive at his translation, that supports his made up "doctrine."

You're a fraud, poser, confused old man, bible blender John 3 Nicky, "warmed over" alleged Jew. TOL laughs at you..

 

[john w]

johnny boy's got his panties in a knot again! He thinks that I am telling a lie when I said that being "born again" and being "born of God" is the same birth.

As if a person is "born of God" but has not yet "born again," and even though the Scriptures reveal that both births happen as a result of believing (1 Pet.1:23-25; 1 Jn.5:1).

Show us, confused, frail, balding little man John 3 Nicky Wally Cox,
where Paul asserts that members of the boc, are "born again." And, while you are at it, since you assert that "it all says the same thing," and that all of Mt-John, is written to the boc,as the boc=the strangers=Israel, according to you, on "how to get saved," including being born again," sell all you have, John 3 Nicky Pate, to gain eternal life, to "enter the kingdom of heaven," fraud:


Luke 18 KJV

18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.

24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

26 And they that heard it said, Who then can be saved?

27 And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

28 Then Peter said, Lo, we have left all, and followed thee.

29 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake,

30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting


And, while you are at, shuck your 401(K), rich John 3 Nicky Shugart, your house, your parents, your brethren, your wife,your children, for the kingdom of God's sake, as the 12 did, confused old man, bible blender John 3 Nicky Shugart. and have all things in common, per early Acts, Comrade Shugart.

I thought so. Watch the "splain away," the "What it really means, is...It all says the same thing" crafty dismissal. Watch...

You fraud, poser, acting like you interpretive the bible from a dispensational approach, as you are merely an Acts 2 blender, Church of Christ member,baptismal regenerationist, and Replacement Theology proponent, posing fraudentually as a "dispy."

 

[john w]

No, the word "generation" is a mis-translation.

Translated: "...Yea, hath God said,...?"-Genesis 3:1 KJV

Psalms 119:160 KJV

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.


Tell us, John 3 Nicky bible corrector/mystic/agnostic. Is Psalms 119:160 KJV, one of
the hundreds of bible verses, you assert is a "mis-translation?"

Define "bible believer."

You won't.

I will let the TOL audience figure out this sophistry, by bible correctors/
mystics/agnostics, like poser Nicky Shugart.


Translated: He admits, again, on record, that he is not a bible believer, but a bible corrector/agnostic/mystic, as his "doctrine" determines what the word of God is, and, more importantly, what it should say. If it does not, he either asserts that "It should say...It is mistranslated...It should read....blah blah blah...", and corrects it, replacing/deleting/adding words," to make them agree with his interpretation, or finding, citing, a stack of other error filled mistranslations, that agree with his interpretation, that validate what he is trying to "prove,"or cite other bible critics/correctors, like himself, to support his "doctrine." Thus, he can "prove" anything.

 

[Danoh]

johnny boy's got his panties in a knot again! He thinks that I am telling a lie when I said that being "born again" and being "born of God" is the same birth.

As if a person is "born of God" but has not yet "born again," and even though the Scriptures reveal that both births happen as a result of believing (1 Pet.1:23-25; 1 Jn.5:1).

Frankly, I am amazed at how much you are way off on - on practically everything. We're talking the most basic of distinctions...

I have personally known many a MAD and from various camps, keep in touch with many of them - and I have NEVER read so confused in programs an individual as you, Neo-Jerry.

What - uh - mess!

:rotfl:

Rom. 5: 6-8.