The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[Caino]

Erroneous Ideas of God​

(59.6) 4:5.1 Religious tradition is the imperfectly preserved record of the experiences of the God-knowing men of past ages, but such records are untrustworthy as guides for religious living or as the source of true information about the Universal Father. Such ancient beliefs have been invariably altered by the fact that primitive man was a mythmaker.

(60.1) 4:5.2 One of the greatest sources of confusion on Urantia concerning the nature of God grows out of the failure of your sacred books clearly to distinguish between the personalities of the Paradise Trinity and between Paradise Deity and the local universe creators and administrators. During the past dispensations of partial understanding, your priests and prophets failed clearly to differentiate between Planetary Princes, System Sovereigns, Constellation Fathers, Creator Sons, Superuniverse Rulers, the Supreme Being, and the Universal Father. Many of the messages of subordinate personalities, such as Life Carriers and various orders of angels, have been, in your records, presented as coming from God himself. Urantian religious thought still confuses the associate personalities of Deity with the Universal Father himself, so that all are included under one appellation.

(60.2) 4:5.3 The people of Urantia continue to suffer from the influence of primitive concepts of God. The gods who go on a rampage in the storm; who shake the earth in their wrath and strike down men in their anger; who inflict their judgments of displeasure in times of famine and flood — these are the gods of primitive religion; they are not the Gods who live and rule the universes. Such concepts are a relic of the times when men supposed that the universe was under the guidance and domination of the whims of such imaginary gods. But mortal man is beginning to realize that he lives in a realm of comparative law and order as far as concerns the administrative policies and conduct of the Supreme Creators and the Supreme Controllers.

(60.3) 4:5.4 The barbarous idea of appeasing an angry God, of propitiating an offended Lord, of winning the favor of Deity through sacrifices and penance and even by the shedding of blood, represents a religion wholly puerile and primitive, a philosophy unworthy of an enlightened age of science and truth. Such beliefs are utterly repulsive to the celestial beings and the divine rulers who serve and reign in the universes. It is an affront to God to believe, hold, or teach that innocent blood must be shed in order to win his favor or to divert the fictitious divine wrath.

(60.4) 4:5.5 The Hebrews believed that “without the shedding of blood there could be no remission of sin.” They had not found deliverance from the old and pagan idea that the Gods could not be appeased except by the sight of blood, though Moses did make a distinct advance when he forbade human sacrifices and substituted therefor, in the primitive minds of his childlike Bedouin followers, the ceremonial sacrifice of animals.

(60.5) 4:5.6 The bestowal of a Paradise Son on your world was inherent in the situation of closing a planetary age; it was inescapable, and it was not made necessary for the purpose of winning the favor of God. This bestowal also happened to be the final personal act of a Creator Son in the long adventure of earning the experiential sovereignty of his universe. What a travesty upon the infinite character of God! this teaching that his fatherly heart in all its austere coldness and hardness was so untouched by the misfortunes and sorrows of his creatures that his tender mercies were not forthcoming until he saw his blameless Son bleeding and dying upon the cross of Calvary!

(60.6) 4:5.7 But the inhabitants of Urantia are to find deliverance from these ancient errors and pagan superstitions respecting the nature of the Universal Father. The revelation of the truth about God is appearing, and the human race is destined to know the Universal Father in all that beauty of character and loveliness of attributes so magnificently portrayed by the Creator Son who sojourned on Urantia as the Son of Man and the Son of God.

(61.1) 4:5.8 [Presented by a Divine Counselor of Uversa.]



Caino

 

[Aimiel]

The UB's account of Jesus and his teachings does verify much of the NT gospel accounts, but also reveals some info.

But The Gospels verify themselves, if you have enough sense to see the evidence; and the 'revelations' from the Urantia Book are not from above, they're from hell, and don't contain any Truth. Half-truth is still WHOLE LIES.

Others Jesus teachings on the kingdom of heaven are spot on, for such is a spiritual kingdom and community, founded in the brotherhood of men, under the Fatherhood of God, since we are one spiritual family.

There is no 'brotherhood of man' other than the fact that we are all sinners in need of a savior.

I don't know of any 'jebus', which is your own creation.

The Jesus portrayed by the UB is: Jebus, who is a false Christ who has NOTHING to do with Jesus, Who is Christ, The Only Begotten of The Father.

If you want to be metaphysically correct.....All things are from Go

Yes, even sin and hell; but that doesn't make them good.

since 'God' is the only Presence, Power and Potentialty from which all creation springs. There is no 'other'. There is only 'God'.

False. God created beings who are NOT Him, but only made in His Image and Likeness. We are more like Him if we keep His Commandments, but less like Him if we follow false Christ's such as Jebus.

'God' is the Only Original Supreme Being and Intelligence existing. God is all.

God is NOT you. God is not me. God is not Satan. You need to have your head examined.

- all schools or systems of knowledge, religion or philosophy that spring from the primal Monad are more or less distortions of 'God' via language, myth, metaphor and symbols.

Yeah, but it's all mixed up and mostly half-truth or less. ONLY The Holy Scriptures are ALL Truth. Jesus is the only way into Heaven, the only Truth about God and the only eternal life. He is The Author of Life. He created everything. Why try to read a book written by a demon about The One Who banned demons from His Throneroom? :duh:

It just so happens that language is subject to limitations, imperfection and translation-variations, so we have various terms and meanings within language in any given school. All words, ideas, concepts are 'symbol-scripts'.

When you begin to re-define a dictionary, Truth goes out the window. DOUBLE DUH!!!

The UB is one conceptual revelation of the cosmos alongside others that attempts to reveal the vast complexity and unity of the universe and divine plan or MIND behind it.

No, it's smoke and mirrors designed to steer people away from The Only Salvation: Jesus. It teaches too many things which are contrary to His Holy Word; the worst of which (IMHO) is to demean Jesus' Blood, without which there is no forgiveness of sin. You and anyone who believes in Urantia needs to buy a clue.

 

[Aimiel]

Erroneous Ideas of God​

Ha! Well-titled: those really are erroneous ideas about God. Everything in the UB is erroneous. :duh:

 

[Aimiel]

2 Peter 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

 

[freelight]

changing views of 'God'.......

changing views of 'God'.......

Erroneous Ideas of God​

(59.6) 4:5.1 Religious tradition is the imperfectly preserved record of the experiences of the God-knowing men of past ages, but such records are untrustworthy as guides for religious living or as the source of true information about the Universal Father. Such ancient beliefs have been invariably altered by the fact that primitive man was a mythmaker.

(60.1) 4:5.2 One of the greatest sources of confusion on Urantia concerning the nature of God grows out of the failure of your sacred books clearly to distinguish between the personalities of the Paradise Trinity and between Paradise Deity and the local universe creators and administrators. During the past dispensations of partial understanding, your priests and prophets failed clearly to differentiate between Planetary Princes, System Sovereigns, Constellation Fathers, Creator Sons, Superuniverse Rulers, the Supreme Being, and the Universal Father. Many of the messages of subordinate personalities, such as Life Carriers and various orders of angels, have been, in your records, presented as coming from God himself. Urantian religious thought still confuses the associate personalities of Deity with the Universal Father himself, so that all are included under one appellation.

(60.2) 4:5.3 The people of Urantia continue to suffer from the influence of primitive concepts of God. The gods who go on a rampage in the storm; who shake the earth in their wrath and strike down men in their anger; who inflict their judgments of displeasure in times of famine and flood — these are the gods of primitive religion; they are not the Gods who live and rule the universes. Such concepts are a relic of the times when men supposed that the universe was under the guidance and domination of the whims of such imaginary gods. But mortal man is beginning to realize that he lives in a realm of comparative law and order as far as concerns the administrative policies and conduct of the Supreme Creators and the Supreme Controllers.

From the perspective of the cosmic presentation of these celestials, such is the view as they see it in the hierarchy of Sons of God of various orders who are often mistaken to be 'God' to evolutionary mortals. This coupled with the mythology of men and their attempt to relate to 'God' as they perceive it makes for the great variety of religious traditions and philosophical schools abroad.

(60.3) 4:5.4 The barbarous idea of appeasing an angry God, of propitiating an offended Lord, of winning the favor of Deity through sacrifices and penance and even by the shedding of blood, represents a religion wholly puerile and primitive, a philosophy unworthy of an enlightened age of science and truth. Such beliefs are utterly repulsive to the celestial beings and the divine rulers who serve and reign in the universes. It is an affront to God to believe, hold, or teach that innocent blood must be shed in order to win his favor or to divert the fictitious divine wrath.

(60.4) 4:5.5 The Hebrews believed that “without the shedding of blood there could be no remission of sin.” They had not found deliverance from the old and pagan idea that the Gods could not be appeased except by the sight of blood, though Moses did make a distinct advance when he forbade human sacrifices and substituted therefor, in the primitive minds of his childlike Bedouin followers, the ceremonial sacrifice of animals.

(60.5) 4:5.6 The bestowal of a Paradise Son on your world was inherent in the situation of closing a planetary age; it was inescapable, and it was not made necessary for the purpose of winning the favor of God. This bestowal also happened to be the final personal act of a Creator Son in the long adventure of earning the experiential sovereignty of his universe. What a travesty upon the infinite character of God! this teaching that his fatherly heart in all its austere coldness and hardness was so untouched by the misfortunes and sorrows of his creatures that his tender mercies were not forthcoming until he saw his blameless Son bleeding and dying upon the cross of Calvary!

The UB and other schools are quite clear about the barbarity of blood-sacrifice being a primitive superstitious belief-system, no longer fit for modern man in his present stage of religious progress and spiritual intelligence. Atonement does not always require a blood-sacrifice, either animal or human, as there are other ways to make amends and re-turn to 'God', via repentance, prayer, meditation and making reparation for your sins, and doing righteousness.

As shared amply before in my 'Atonement without blood' thread, even if one employs a blood-sacrifice system for atonement for sins, the one offering the sacrifice for his own self must still repent of his sins and live righteously, making amends for his acts as much as he possibly can, and in the end is justified by such repentance and return to righteousness. It comes back to the principle of 'self-responsibility', which no amount of faith in a blood-sacrifice for sin can really help, until he himself makes the changes to his account.

(60.6) 4:5.7 But the inhabitants of Urantia are to find deliverance from these ancient errors and pagan superstitions respecting the nature of the Universal Father. The revelation of the truth about God is appearing, and the human race is destined to know the Universal Father in all that beauty of character and loveliness of attributes so magnificently portrayed by the Creator Son who sojourned on Urantia as the Son of Man and the Son of God.

(61.1) 4:5.8 [Presented by a Divine Counselor of Uversa.]

In order to understand the Fifth Epochal Revelation to this planet one must read the papers themselves and discover the ring of truth within it, if there be any. Souls are at different seg-way points along the path, so it may not be for some at this point in time. Life goes on.


Urantia Book Fellowship



pj

 

[freelight]

Symmetry

Symmetry

~*~*~

2:7.11 All truth — material, philosophic, or spiritual — is both beautiful and good. All real beauty — material art or spiritual symmetry — is both true and good. All genuine goodness — whether personal morality, social equity, or divine ministry — is equally true and beautiful. Health, sanity, and happiness are integrations of truth, beauty, and goodness as they are blended in human experience. Such levels of efficient living come about through the unification of energy systems, idea systems, and spirit systems.

What a beautiful harmony is at the heart of true religion, science and philosophy, forming a synergistic whole.

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111:6.6 Science is the source of facts, and mind cannot operate without facts. They are the building blocks in the construction of wisdom which are cemented together by life experience. Man can find the love of God without facts, and man can discover the laws of God without love, but man can never begin to appreciate the infinite symmetry, the supernal harmony, the exquisite repleteness of the all-inclusive nature of the First Source and Center until he has found divine law and divine love and has experientially unified these in his own evolving cosmic philosophy.

pj​

 

[MichaelCadry]

Dear freelight,

Who are the inhabitants of Urantia? Sounds like a bunch of deep BS. All that posturing with words does nothing except take away from the message it is trying to convey. I don't like all of the fancy lingo, whether it be college or whatever. I am a simple man with a simple message. Jesus is returning soon.

Michael

 

[MichaelCadry]

Dear freelight,

I have to agree with Aimiel. These UB's and fancy language don't do God good service. God doesn't hide his word behind mumbo jumbo words. It's too taxing on the brain to read all of that even though it makes half-sense only. It reminds me of the Koran. I tried reading the Koran and new it was evil from the beginning. It had the audacity to say it was so eloquent of a book. Yippee!! These UB's remind me of the same thing. Full of fancy words, but it is all of a bit of the devil mixing truths and untruths to the end being confusion and leading away from simple Love and Salvation. These books tried to use 'Intellectual Explanations," but fall short of being necessary whatsoever. Reminds me of the Baha'is and their Tanakh. I don't mind scholarly language, but when it hurts my head to figure out what someone is trying to say, I just don't want to read it.

In Christ's Love,

Michael

 

[Aimiel]

2 Peter 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

 

[steko]

OP: The Late Great Urantia Revelation

It is indeed late, but it is certainly not great, that is, unless one is saying that it is a great deception.

 

[Zeke]

It is indeed late, but it is certainly not great, that is, unless one is saying that it is a great deception.

The burden of proof is something your story is lacking as well, other than say so the evidence for Jesus and many others is next to none, the teaching is valid if applied inwardly to the functioning of the human body which is the only temple of the creator, plus it's an old story retold in many various settings and figurative metaphors that deal with karma and the ying and yang of life.

 

[steko]

The burden of proof is something your story is lacking as well, other than say so the evidence for Jesus and many others is next to none, the teaching is valid if applied inwardly to the functioning of the human body which is the only temple of the creator, plus it's an old story retold in many various settings and figurative metaphors that deal with karma and the ying and yang of life.

yin

 

[Caino]

Christianity was a fringe cult for a long time within Jerusalem. Jesus was largely rejected by Judaism, Paul’s modified version of the original gospel was accepted and adopted by the Pagan world giving us what we have today, the Catholic Bible and people who worship it.

Jesus spoke privately about the OT scriptures with Nathaniel:

The Talk with Nathaniel​

(1767.3) 159:4.1 "And then went Jesus over to Abila, where Nathaniel and his associates labored. Nathaniel was much bothered by some of Jesus’ pronouncements which seemed to detract from the authority of the recognized Hebrew scriptures. Accordingly, on this night, after the usual period of questions and answers, Nathaniel took Jesus away from the others and asked: “Master, could you trust me to know the truth about the Scriptures? I observe that you teach us only a portion of the sacred writings — the best as I view it — and I infer that you reject the teachings of the rabbis to the effect that the words of the law are the very words of God, having been with God in heaven even before the times of Abraham and Moses. What is the truth about the Scriptures?” When Jesus heard the question of his bewildered apostle, he answered:

(1767.4) 159:4.2 “Nathaniel, you have rightly judged; I do not regard the Scriptures as do the rabbis. I will talk with you about this matter on condition that you do not relate these things to your brethren, who are not all prepared to receive this teaching. The words of the law of Moses and the teachings of the Scriptures were not in existence before Abraham. Only in recent times have the Scriptures been gathered together as we now have them. While they contain the best of the higher thoughts and longings of the Jewish people, they also contain much that is far from being representative of the character and teachings of the Father in heaven; wherefore must I choose from among the better teachings those truths which are to be gleaned for the gospel of the kingdom.

(1767.5) 159:4.3 “These writings are the work of men, some of them holy men, others not so holy. The teachings of these books represent the views and extent of enlightenment of the times in which they had their origin. As a revelation of truth, the last are more dependable than the first. The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin, but mistake not, they do constitute the best collection of religious wisdom and spiritual truth to be found in all the world at this time.

(1767.6) 159:4.4 “Many of these books were not written by the persons whose names they bear, but that in no way detracts from the value of the truths which they contain. If the story of Jonah should not be a fact, even if Jonah had never lived, still would the profound truth of this narrative, the love of God for Nineveh and the so-called heathen, be none the less precious in the eyes of all those who love their fellow men. The Scriptures are sacred because they present the thoughts and acts of men who were searching for God, and who in these writings left on record their highest concepts of righteousness, truth, and holiness. The Scriptures contain much that is true, very much, but in the light of your present teaching, you know that these writings also contain much that is misrepresentative of the Father in heaven, the loving God I have come to reveal to all the worlds.

(1768.1) 159:4.5 “Nathaniel, never permit yourself for one moment to believe the Scripture records which tell you that the God of love directed your forefathers to go forth in battle to slay all their enemies — men, women, and children. Such records are the words of men, not very holy men, and they are not the word of God. The Scriptures always have, and always will, reflect the intellectual, moral, and spiritual status of those who create them. Have you not noted that the concepts of Yahweh grow in beauty and glory as the prophets make their records from Samuel to Isaiah? And you should remember that the Scriptures are intended for religious instruction and spiritual guidance. They are not the works of either historians or philosophers.

(1768.2) 159:4.6 “The thing most deplorable is not merely this erroneous idea of the absolute perfection of the Scripture record and the infallibility of its teachings, but rather the confusing misinterpretation of these sacred writings by the tradition-enslaved scribes and Pharisees at Jerusalem. And now will they employ both the doctrine of the inspiration of the Scriptures and their misinterpretations thereof in their determined effort to withstand these newer teachings of the gospel of the kingdom. Nathaniel, never forget, the Father does not limit the revelation of truth to any one generation or to any one people. Many earnest seekers after the truth have been, and will continue to be, confused and disheartened by these doctrines of the perfection of the Scriptures.

(1768.3) 159:4.7 “The authority of truth is the very spirit that indwells its living manifestations, and not the dead words of the less illuminated and supposedly inspired men of another generation. And even if these holy men of old lived inspired and spirit-filled lives, that does not mean that their words were similarly spiritually inspired. Today we make no record of the teachings of this gospel of the kingdom lest, when I have gone, you speedily become divided up into sundry groups of truth contenders as a result of the diversity of your interpretation of my teachings. For this generation it is best that we live these truths while we shun the making of records.

(1768.4) 159:4.8 “Mark you well my words, Nathaniel, nothing which human nature has touched can be regarded as infallible. Through the mind of man divine truth may indeed shine forth, but always of relative purity and partial divinity. The creature may crave infallibility, but only the Creators possess it.

(1768.5) 159:4.9 “But the greatest error of the teaching about the Scriptures is the doctrine of their being sealed books of mystery and wisdom which only the wise minds of the nation dare to interpret. The revelations of divine truth are not sealed except by human ignorance, bigotry, and narrow-minded intolerance. The light of the Scriptures is only dimmed by prejudice and darkened by superstition. A false fear of sacredness has prevented religion from being safeguarded by common sense. The fear of the authority of the sacred writings of the past effectively prevents the honest souls of today from accepting the new light of the gospel, the light which these very God-knowing men of another generation so intensely longed to see.

(1769.1) 159:4.10 “But the saddest feature of all is the fact that some of the teachers of the sanctity of this traditionalism know this very truth. They more or less fully understand these limitations of Scripture, but they are moral cowards, intellectually dishonest. They know the truth regarding the sacred writings, but they prefer to withhold such disturbing facts from the people. And thus do they pervert and distort the Scriptures, making them the guide to slavish details of the daily life and an authority in things nonspiritual instead of appealing to the sacred writings as the repository of the moral wisdom, religious inspiration, and the spiritual teaching of the God-knowing men of other generations.”

(1769.2) 159:4.11 Nathaniel was enlightened, and shocked, by the Master’s pronouncement. He long pondered this talk in the depths of his soul, but he told no man concerning this conference until after Jesus’ ascension; and even then he feared to impart the full story of the Master’s instruction."



Caino

 

[freelight]

Education on the subject is essential.......

Education on the subject is essential.......

Dear freelight,

Who are the inhabitants of Urantia?

Hi Michael,

Besides the entire thread here and the resources provided if you would but read and research,....I recommend first understanding and educating yourself about what the Urantia Papers are, for much has been provided here. I'm going thru the thread here to possibly catalog some of the helpful posts for seekers, - currently on page 40.

'Urantia' is the name that this group of celestials calls our planet 'Earth'. We are but one of thousands of inhabited worlds in one of the 7 superuniverses that revolve around the Isle of Paradise, at the center of the Master Universe, which is the abode of the eternal Godhead. The Universal Father is the First Source and Center of all cosmic reality and creation, wherein the on-going process of evolution is taking place in space and time. All evolves and moves according to the master-plans and divine will of the Infinite Father and his many Creator-Sons.

I highly recommend these 2 articles by Meredith J. Sprunger for starters -

) - An Introduction to The Urantia Book
for Conservative Christians

) - Urantia Book Deviations From Traditional Christian Beliefs

~*~*~

Meredith J Sprunger Archive

Sounds like a bunch of deep BS.

Its a matter of understanding the terms, meanings, values and context in which the words are given, like any other pertinent information concerning a particular subject. Reading the first 12 papers is fundamental, on the nature of God, his relationship to indivduals, the other persons within the Trinity, and the universe (all dimensions of creation unto infinity).

Jesus said to keep asking, seeking and knocking....in other words continue researching all avenues of perception and knowledge, - continue to learn, expand, discover and grow.

Online Study Edition

All that posturing with words does nothing except take away from the message it is trying to convey. I don't like all of the fancy lingo, whether it be college or whatever. I am a simple man with a simple message.

Its basic level English language used from a context of 20th century knowledge, from which the revelators drew from that time period when the papers came forth. While there are new terms within the revelation, these all connect consistently within a new paradigm of cosmic revelation covering many fields of knowledge (religion, philosophy, metaphysics, science). If it is too complex or technical for one, they can leave it alone of course. This book like any other collection of writings may or may not resonate with a person, but the eternal truths, values and meaning of the teachings therein, stand for all time, although new formats or templates of understanding can be applied to expand upon them. In this dimension of space-time,....learning takes places within the perception of 'time', so that revelation is always 'progressive'.

Jesus is returning soon.

Well, some have been assuming this for 2 millennia, still waiting. The UB also teaches that Jesus, Our Creator Son will return in some way as he promised, but in the meantime He is with us as the Spirit of Truth has been poured out already, and there are other divine spirits working with-in man. Again, you have this thread to read and the vital links shared for a proper education about the Urantia Revelation, if you want to learn more. If anything, it will provide a constructive venue for 'creative dialogue' on where the UB agrees with traditional Christianity, and where it differs on various points. Friendly dialogue is key


UB Websites



pj

 

[Aimiel]

Urantia teaches Jebus

Urantia teaches Jebus

Jebus, the false god taught in Urantia, is not God and in fact the whole 'revelation' of Urantia is from a demon. It is NOT from above.

Jesus taught that His Blood would be a ransom for many (all those who believe upon Him) and that we would overcome Satan by His Blood and the word of our testimony. Urantia teaches that blood is not necessary for salvation. That isn't Jesus talking, it Jebus, a false god. Urantia teaches a false Jesus. They teach that The Holy Bible needs correction. If it were from God, Urantia would teach that The Holy Bible is Truth. They don't.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

[freelight]

truth and error.......relative............

truth and error.......relative............

It is indeed late, but it is certainly not great, that is, unless one is saying that it is a great deception.

Again, as per my last post and previous ones thru-out the thread,...education on the subject is essential. 'Late' simply refers to it being a revelation given recently in the 20th century, which according to the celestials is the 5th Epochal Revelation to the planet. Jesus coming (bestowal) here was the 4th.

As far as it being a deception, first you'd have to read the material for yourself with an objective open inquisitive mind to learn what it teaches, without preconception or bias. Then you'd have to establish or prove what 'truth' is, and show where the teachings are 'deceiving', so you've got a host of issues, proofs and assumptions to deal with.

The consistent revelation on the nature, character and attributes of Deity, and the universal principles whereby man progresses and evolves closer and closer to God-perfection hold their own. The greater cosmological context, universe organization and Deity-hierarchies, plus the destiny and progression of evolutionary mortals (what we are) holds the general outline of the papers. Such are conceptual frames in which the truths and principles are given, an enchancement and correction of former dispensational truths given to man. Whether one treats it as inspired religious sci-fiction or an actual revelation given by a group of celestials, is up to one's own assessment, yet the contents speak for themselves,...believe it or not. This is just one religious book among others, consistent to itself. Reality includes all facets, aspects and dimensions.

There are a host of perceptions that you may be 'deceived' from within the theology or philosophy you embrace now of which you're unaware of, since many of us find that our points of view change with new knowledge or understanding. Its better to recognize truth, wisdom or true principles, no matter what package, mythology or tradition such are presented thru. Investigate.



pj

 

[MichaelCadry]

Dear freelight,

I can understand all that you are saying here, but you are a Christian with a leaning towards Hindu and others of us are just Christian, without the Hindu, so we understand the KJV Bible and not the Urantia Papers. It's just that simple. No big whoop. It's easy enough to do. I still will delve into reading the 4th, to see what it has to say about Jesus.

God Bless You In Your Works And Keep His Eyes Upon You,

Michael

 

[freelight]

One Destiny, many paths..............

One Destiny, many paths..............

Dear freelight,

I can understand all that you are saying here, but you are a Christian with a leaning towards Hindu and others of us are just Christian, without the Hindu, so we understand the KJV Bible and not the Urantia Papers. It's just that simple. No big whoop. It's easy enough to do. I still will delve into reading the 4th, to see what it has to say about Jesus.

God Bless You In Your Works And Keep His Eyes Upon You,

Michael

Hi Michael,

I gave you specific article links by Dr. Sprunger on how UB theology accords with and differs from traditional orthodox Christian doctrine (the first 2 especially) - this ought to give you ample information on the subject. There is no excuse if you cant afford the time to read the articles, which would enable real 'dialogue' on the subject. Otherwise, anything less is inadequate and becomes pointless as far as 'discussion' is concerned.

My ventures with our planet's eastern religious traditions doesn't necessarily make me favorable towards the UB either, since while the UB embraces the truth shared in all religious traditions, because religious insights and man's experience of reality is universal, it expressly reveals Jesus as our Creator-Son and Lord of this local universe, with a promise to return, with also the greater prospect of our world being settled in Light and Life,....when the kingdom of heaven is realized and we've reached a stage of spiritual perfection and maturity. Such is the 'new age' or 'golden era' promised by the prophets. As we ascend and spiritually evolve to that purified state, such is the 'new heavens and new earth', where man and God realize their unity, as that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The UB gives a historical summary of the world religions beginning with Paper 92, with the missionary work of Melchizedek and the procession of religious traditions stemming therefrom. In Part 4, Paper 131....another synopsis covers the world religious traditions and schools in light of the Melchizedek's monotheistic teaching. Such is a good primer in 'comparative religions', if you'd like to expand your knowledge in this area, which is helpful in basic discussions in theology and philosophy :thumb:

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pj

 

[John Mortimer]

Dear freelight,

I can understand all that you are saying here, but you are a Christian with a leaning towards Hindu and others of us are just Christian, without the Hindu, so we understand the KJV Bible and not the Urantia Papers. It's just that simple. No big whoop. It's easy enough to do. I still will delve into reading the 4th, to see what it has to say about Jesus.

God Bless You In Your Works And Keep His Eyes Upon You,

Michael

Hi, Michael,

As freelight points out in response to this, appreciation of the Hindu tradition does not necessarily make one more open to the UB. The Urantia revelation is one based upon the concept of spiritual progress/evolution; in that sense it is much more akin to the eclectic movements such as theosophy and the Ascended Master schools.

If you want to see the stark contrast between such evolutionary systems and the core of the Hindu spirituality, (certainly the Advaita Vedanta tradition), take a look at this statement from one of the translators for Nisargadatta Maharaj...

"The attachment of the human being to the body as a separate entity is due entirely to the conditioning received from parents, elders and others, since the earliest moments of understanding, that he/she is the particular body with a particular name. Very soon he/she is convinced beyond any doubt that he/she is the body, endowed both with the life-force of breath, inhaled and exhaled continuously, and with consciousness, which comes and goes with the waking and sleep states. Actually, all that has happened is that the unmanifest Absolute has objectified itself into millions of forms, (including the human forms), as phenomena, constituting the total manifestation and its functioning. These phenomenal objects are continually created and destroyed in the process of manifestation and none has any choice of action. Indeed, therefore, instead of the various human beings possessing consciousness, it is Consciousness which possesses the millions of forms through which the unmanifest Absolute can objectify itself". Ramesh S. Balsekar.

See what I mean? Who and what is to evolve and for what purpose?! Everything you see is what we are - the unborn, timeless, Absolute. Individuals with destinies are temporal manifestations of Consciousness, i.e. the sense of presence - I AM.

 

[MichaelCadry]

Dear John Mortimer,

I can understand about 1/2 of what you said. It sounds hopeful and interesting, and possible. I did not go to college and all the big words tax my brain to read them and try to understand what they convey. Sometimes, I do okay though.

Well, I can understand you half the time and freelight half the time. It will take me a long while before I can understand it all. And BTW, there isn't that much time, so I have to spend it witnessing to others about the testimony the Lord God gave me to share with others. That has to be my first priority. So, I can only dabble with the Urantia Papers.

May God and Jesus Watch Over You, John,

MichaelC