The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[Caino]

The 7 commands of Dalamatia

"Hap presented the early races with a moral law. This code was known as “The Father’s Way” and consisted of the following seven commands:

1. You shall not fear nor serve any God but the Father of all.

2. You shall not disobey the Father’s Son, the world’s ruler, nor show disrespect to his superhuman associates.

3. You shall not speak a lie when called before the judges of the people.

4. You shall not kill men, women, or children.

5. You shall not steal your neighbor’s goods or cattle.

6. You shall not touch your friend’s wife.

7. You shall not show disrespect to your parents or to the elders of the tribe.

This was the law of Dalamatia for almost three hundred thousand years. And many of the stones on which this law was inscribed now lie beneath the waters off the shores of Mesopotamia and Persia. It became the custom to hold one of these commands in mind for each day of the week, using it for salutations and mealtime thanksgiving."​

credit photo to: http://www.dalamatiacity.com/urantia-clues.htm

Caino

 

[Caino]

Location of The Garden of Eden

Location of The Garden of Eden

Location of the first garden, "Eden"
38,000 BC


"This Mediterranean peninsula had a salubrious climate and an equable temperature; this stabilized weather was due to the encircling mountains and to the fact that this area was virtually an island in an inland sea. While it rained copiously on the surrounding highlands, it seldom rained in Eden proper. But each night, from the extensive network of artificial irrigation channels, a “mist would go up” to refresh the vegetation of the Garden.

73:3.4 The coast line of this land mass was considerably elevated, and the neck connecting with the mainland was only twenty-seven miles wide at the narrowest point. The great river that watered the Garden came down from the higher lands of the peninsula and flowed east through the peninsular neck to the mainland and thence across the lowlands of Mesopotamia to the sea beyond. It was fed by four tributaries which took origin in the coastal hills of the Edenic peninsula, and these are the “four heads” of the river which “went out of Eden,” and which later became confused with the branches of the rivers surrounding the second garden."

THE FATE OF EDEN

73:7.1 After the first garden was vacated by Adam, it was occupied variously by the Nodites, Cutites, and the Suntites. It later became the dwelling place of the northern Nodites who opposed co-operation with the Adamites. The peninsula had been overrun by these lower-grade Nodites for almost four thousand years after Adam left the Garden when, in connection with the violent activity of the surrounding volcanoes and the submergence of the Sicilian land bridge to Africa, the eastern floor of the Mediterranean Sea sank, carrying down beneath the waters the whole of the Edenic peninsula. Concomitant with this vast submergence the coast line of the eastern Mediterranean was greatly elevated. And this was the end of the most beautiful natural creation that Urantia has ever harbored. The sinking was not sudden, several hundred years being required completely to submerge the entire peninsula.

http://www.truthbook.com/index.cfm?linkID=1320#U73_6_1

Caino

 

[Caino]

Four kinds of religion

Four kinds of religion

On Urantia, today, there are four kinds of religion:

1. Natural or evolutionary religion.

2. Supernatural or revelatory religion.

3. Practical or current religion, varying degrees of the admixture of natural and supernatural religions.

4. Philosophic religions, man-made or philosophically thought-out theologic doctrines and reason-created religions.


Caino

 

[Aimiel]

Answers to Demonic Doctrine of Urantia

Answers to Demonic Doctrine of Urantia

On Urantia, today, there are four kinds of religion:

1. Natural or evolutionary religion.

Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

2. Supernatural or revelatory religion.

Matthew 16:4
A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

3. Practical or current religion, varying degrees of the admixture of natural and supernatural religions.

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

4. Philosophic religions, man-made or philosophically thought-out theologic doctrines and reason-created religions.

Proverbs 16:25
There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

On Earth, the planet which God created, not the imaginary Urantia which a demon pretends is the name of our planet: there is only one religion which is right:

James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

It takes love to see this kind of religion in one's heart. Without God, one has no love and can see no one but himself.

 

[freelight]

unfolding glory.......

unfolding glory.......

On Earth, the planet which God created, not the imaginary Urantia which a demon pretends is the name of our planet: there is only one religion which is right:

James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

It takes love to see this kind of religion in one's heart. Without God, one has no love and can see no one but himself.

The four kinds of religion spoken of in the Papers are elaborated quite well, and will be 'familiar' with those who are readers of the material. They are merely informational; - there exists 'evolutionary religion' which comes by way of natural evolutionary means, in the stream of time which unfolds such natural developments. Then there is 'revelational religion' which comes thru divine inspiration or direct revelation, which often comes to the planet during special dispensations....when the time is appropriate for such.

As far as what 'true religion' is, the Papers teach the most comprehensive form and way of true religious service which is serving your fellowman thru the principle of love, which is serving God. It teaches the highest form of social service and brotherly love, for "Love is to do good to others" - UB. God is Love. The primary message espoused about the kingdom is 'The Fatherhood of God and Brotherhood of Man'.

For those interested scroll down the index page Here and access Papers 99 - 103 on 'Religion' - such ought to adequately treat 'Religion' in all its aspects and dimensions.

I may add some insights on space and time from the UB soon

UB Related websites



pj

 

[Aimiel]

Quite obviously, freelight's heart is desperately wicked, adulterous and he's on his way to death (after which will come his judgment). Judging by his clinging to false gods and half-truths, no doubt he'll end up bound in outer darkness, similar to the darkness he pushes every day on the internet. Freelight needs to change his name to DarknessTrap. Actually, he needs to repent and get saved.

 

[freelight]

Quite obviously, freelight's heart is desperately wicked, adulterous and he's on his way to death (after which will come his judgment). Judging by his clinging to false gods and half-truths, no doubt he'll end up bound in outer darkness, similar to the darkness he pushes every day on the internet. Freelight needs to change his name to DarknessTrap. Actually, he needs to repent and get saved.

You are unqualified to make such a judgment due to your ignorance of what the Urantia Papers are about and your own religious dogmas and preconceptions which prevent enlightenment.

The UB is only one of many resources of religious light and inspiration given to the planet.


pj

 

[Adam]

On Urantia, today, there are four kinds of religion:

1. Natural or evolutionary religion.

2. Supernatural or revelatory religion.

3. Practical or current religion, varying degrees of the admixture of natural and supernatural religions.

4. Philosophic religions, man-made or philosophically thought-out theologic doctrines and reason-created religions.


Caino

You and I have only one thing in common. The Muslims want us both dead.

However, you and the Muslims also have something in common. Hell. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ today and receive His forgiveness and righteousness which is ready and waiting.

 

[Aimiel]

You are unqualified to make such a judgment due to your ignorance of what the Urantia Papers are about and your own religious dogmas and preconceptions which prevent enlightenment.

I judge only righteous judgment, but if you think I've misjudged, you just might want to re-read your Bible (if that is you actually own one). Again: the only dogma I've picked up is The Holy Bible and God's Presence. The preconceptions aren't a problem though, due to something The Lord gives to every soul who asks Him for it: discernment. I discerned your darkness before I ever read a single post you've made on TOL. If you had any light in you at all you'd discern the darkness in persons such as yourself just as readily.

The UB is only one of many resources of religious light and inspiration given to the planet.

There is no light in it, only darkness. The half-truths it shares are actually the same as any other WHOLE-LIE.

 

[Caino]

You and I have only one thing in common. The Muslims want us both dead.

However, you and the Muslims also have something in common. Hell. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ today and receive His forgiveness and righteousness which is ready and waiting.

You may wish me in Hell, but Hell doesn't exist, it's the wishful thinking of phoney Christians who say that which is good, but do it not.


Caino

 

[Aimiel]

No one's deeds bring them into Heaven. Only The Blood of Jesus can do that. Hell, on the other hand, has only sin as a requirement for entry. Wishing someone to be in hell won't put them there, they put themselves there and have only themselves to blame. Christians are put in Heaven by The Lord and have only Him to thank. There's nothing they do to earn it. His grace is free. It's that simple.

 

[Caino]

Faith and Belief

Faith and Belief

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Faith and Belief​

"Belief has attained the level of faith when it motivates life and shapes the mode of living. The acceptance of a teaching as true is not faith; that is mere belief. Neither is certainty nor conviction faith. A state of mind attains to faith levels only when it actually dominates the mode of living. Faith is a living attribute of genuine personal religious experience. One believes truth, admires beauty, and reverences goodness, but does not worship them; such an attitude of saving faith is centered on God alone, who is all of these personified and infinitely more.

Belief is always limiting and binding; faith is expanding and releasing. Belief fixates, faith liberates. But living religious faith is more than the association of noble beliefs; it is more than an exalted system of philosophy; it is a living experience concerned with spiritual meanings, divine ideals, and supreme values; it is God-knowing and man-serving. Beliefs may become group possessions, but faith must be personal. Theologic beliefs can be suggested to a group, but faith can rise up only in the heart of the individual religionist.

Faith has falsified its trust when it presumes to deny realities and to confer upon its devotees assumed knowledge. Faith is a traitor when it fosters betrayal of intellectual integrity and belittles loyalty to supreme values and divine ideals. Faith never shuns the problem-solving duty of mortal living. Living faith does not foster bigotry, persecution, or intolerance.

Faith does not shackle the creative imagination, neither does it maintain an unreasoning prejudice toward the discoveries of scientific investigation. Faith vitalizes religion and constrains the religionist heroically to live the golden rule. The zeal of faith is according to knowledge, and its strivings are the preludes to sublime peace."​

Caino

 

[Aimiel]

It is NOT possible to have your faith centered on The One True God without a saving knowledge of Him and having Him living inside you. You cannot get into His Kingdom without going through His Blood.

 

[bucksplasher]

It is NOT possible to have your faith centered on The One True God without a saving knowledge of Him and having Him living inside you. You cannot get into His Kingdom without going through His Blood.

Eating His Body and drinking His Blood...otherwise pretty good for a Protestant. tWINs

 

[Lost Comet]

Eating His Body and drinking His Blood...otherwise pretty good for a Protestant. tWINs

It is NOT possible to have your faith centered on The One True God without a saving knowledge of Him and having Him living inside you. You cannot get into His Kingdom without going through His Blood.

How ghoulish!

 

[Aimiel]

Eating His Body and drinking His Blood...otherwise pretty good for a Protestant. tWINs

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[Caino]

Jesus, the lost years

Jesus, the lost years

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JESUS VIEWS THE TEMPLE
age 13

125:1.1 "Everywhere Jesus went throughout the temple courts, he was shocked and sickened by the spirit of irreverence which he observed. He deemed the conduct of the temple throngs to be inconsistent with their presence in “his Father’s house.” But he received the shock of his young life when his father escorted him into the court of the gentiles with its noisy jargon, loud talking and cursing, mingled indiscriminately with the bleating of sheep and the babble of noises which betrayed the presence of the money-changers and the vendors of sacrificial animals and sundry other commercial commodities.

125:1.2 But most of all was his sense of propriety outraged by the sight of the frivolous courtesans parading about within this precinct of the temple, just such painted women as he had so recently seen when on a visit to Sepphoris. This profanation of the temple fully aroused all his youthful indignation, and he did not hesitate to express himself freely to Joseph.

125:1.3 Jesus admired the sentiment and service of the temple, but he was shocked by the spiritual ugliness which he beheld on the faces of so many of the unthinking worshipers.

125:1.4 They now passed down to the priests’ court beneath the rock ledge in front of the temple, where the altar stood, to observe the killing of the droves of animals and the washing away of the blood from the hands of the officiating slaughter priests at the bronze fountain. The bloodstained pavement, the gory hands of the priests, and the sounds of the dying animals were more than this nature-loving lad could stand. The terrible sight sickened this boy of Nazareth; he clutched his father’s arm and begged to be taken away. They walked back through the court of the gentiles, and even the coarse laughter and profane jesting which he there heard were a relief from the sights he had just beheld.

125:1.5 Joseph saw how his son had sickened at the sight of the temple rites and wisely led him around to view the “gate beautiful,” the artistic gate made of Corinthian bronze. But Jesus had had enough for his first visit at the temple. They returned to the upper court for Mary and walked about in the open air and away from the crowds for an hour, viewing the Asmonean palace, the stately home of Herod, and the tower of the Roman guards. During this stroll Joseph explained to Jesus that only the inhabitants of Jerusalem were permitted to witness the daily sacrifices in the temple, and that the dwellers in Galilee came up only three times a year to participate in the temple worship: at the Passover, at the feast of Pentecost (seven weeks after Passover), and at the feast of tabernacles in October. These feasts were established by Moses. They then discussed the two later established feasts of the dedication and of Purim. Afterward they went to their lodgings and made ready for the celebration of the Passover."​

http://www.truthbook.com/index.cfm?linkID=1377



Caino

 

[bucksplasher]

How ghoulish!

Ghouls would not be interested as they flee from "holy water." How much more the blood of Jesus?

Seems that you would join those who "walked away" when Christ first presented this teaching.

tWINs

 

[Caino]

Ghouls would not be interested as they flee from "holy water." How much more the blood of Jesus?

Seems that you would join those who "walked away" when Christ first presented this teaching.

tWINs

Christ never presented the teaching of blood sacrifice or flesh eating, those are the grotesque "after thoughts" of former sacrifice minded religionist who unintentionally set out to create a new religion about Jesus, not of Jesus because the religion of Jesus is difficult. It was a cop-out from the more rigorous teachings of Jesus, the teaching of real salvation, real transformation as apposed to sentimental ritualism and institutional substitution. Caino​

".......his followers progressively distorted his pronouncements."​

LATER IDEAS OF THE KINGDOM

170:5.1 Having summarized the teachings of Jesus about the kingdom of heaven, we are permitted to narrate certain later ideas which became attached to the concept of the kingdom and to engage in a prophetic forecast of the kingdom as it may evolve in the age to come.

170:5.2 Throughout the first centuries of the Christian propaganda, the idea of the kingdom of heaven was tremendously influenced by the then rapidly spreading notions of Greek idealism, the idea of the natural as the shadow of the spiritual—the temporal as the time shadow of the eternal.

170:5.3 But the great step which marked the transplantation of the teachings of Jesus from a Jewish to a gentile soil was taken when the Messiah of the kingdom became the Redeemer of the church, a religious and social organization growing out of the activities of Paul and his successors and based on the teachings of Jesus as they were supplemented by the ideas of Philo and the Persian doctrines of good and evil.

170:5.4 The ideas and ideals of Jesus, embodied in the teaching of the gospel of the kingdom, nearly failed of realization as his followers progressively distorted his pronouncements. The Master’s concept of the kingdom was notably modified by two great tendencies:

1. The Jewish believers persisted in regarding him as the Messiah. They believed that Jesus would very soon return actually to establish the world-wide and more or less material kingdom.

2. The gentile Christians began very early to accept the doctrines of Paul, which led increasingly to the general belief that Jesus was the Redeemer of the children of the church, the new and institutional

successor of the earlier concept of the purely spiritual brotherhood of the kingdom.
The church, as a social outgrowth of the kingdom, would have been wholly natural and even desirable. The evil of the church was not its existence, but rather that it almost completely supplanted the Jesus concept of the kingdom. Paul’s institutionalized church became a virtual substitute for the kingdom of heaven which Jesus had proclaimed.

170:5.7 But doubt not, this same kingdom of heaven which the Master taught exists within the heart of the believer, will yet be proclaimed to this Christian church, even as to all other religions, races, and nations on earth—even to every individual.

170:5.8 The kingdom of Jesus’ teaching, the spiritual ideal of individual righteousness and the concept of man’s divine fellowship with God, became gradually submerged into the mystic conception of the person of Jesus as the Redeemer-Creator and spiritual head of a socialized religious community. In this way a formal and institutional church became the substitute for the individually spirit-led brotherhood of the kingdom.

170:5.9 The church was an inevitable and useful social result of Jesus’ life and teachings; the tragedy consisted in the fact that this social reaction to the teachings of the kingdom so fully displaced the spiritual concept of the real kingdom as Jesus taught and lived it.

170:5.10 The kingdom, to the Jews, was the Israelite community; to the gentiles it became the Christian church. To Jesus the kingdom was the sum of those individuals who had confessed their faith in the fatherhood of God, thereby declaring their wholehearted dedication to the doing of the will of God, thus becoming members of the spiritual brotherhood of man.

170:5.11 The Master fully realized that certain social results would appear in the world as a consequence of the spread of the gospel of the kingdom; but he intended that all such desirable social manifestations should appear as unconscious and inevitable outgrowths, or natural fruits, of this inner personal experience of individual believers, this purely spiritual fellowship and communion with the divine spirit which indwells and activates all such believers.

170:5.12 Jesus foresaw that a social organization, or church, would follow the progress of the true spiritual kingdom, and that is why he never opposed the apostles' practicing the rite of John’s baptism. He taught that the truth-loving soul, the one who hungers and thirsts for righteousness, for God, is admitted by faith to the spiritual kingdom; at the same time the apostles taught that such a believer is admitted to the social organization of disciples by the outward rite of baptism.

170:5.13 When Jesus’ immediate followers recognized their partial failure to realize his ideal of the establishment of the kingdom in the hearts of men by the spirit’s domination and guidance of the individual believer, they set about to save his teaching from being wholly lost by substituting for the Master’s ideal of the kingdom the gradual creation of a visible social organization, the Christian church. And when they had accomplished this program of substitution, in order to maintain consistency and to provide for the recognition of the Master’s teaching regarding the fact of the kingdom, they proceeded to set the kingdom off into the future.

170:5.14 The church, just as soon as it was well established, began to teach that the kingdom was in reality to appear at the culmination of the Christian age, at the second coming of Christ.

170:5.15 In this manner the kingdom became the concept of an age, the idea of a future visitation, and the ideal of the final redemption of the saints of the Most High. The early Christians (and all too many of the later ones) generally lost sight of the Father-and-son idea embodied in Jesus’ teaching of the kingdom, while they substituted therefor the well-organized social fellowship of the church. The church thus became in the main a social brotherhood which effectively displaced Jesus’ concept and ideal of a spiritual brotherhood.

170:5.16 Jesus’ ideal concept largely failed, but upon the foundation of the Master’s personal life and teachings, supplemented by the Greek and Persian concepts of eternal life and augmented by Philo’s doctrine of the temporal contrasted with the spiritual, Paul went forth to build up one of the most progressive human societies which has ever existed on Urantia.

170:5.17 The concept of Jesus is still alive in the advanced religions of the world. Paul’s Christian church is the socialized and humanized shadow of what Jesus intended the kingdom of heaven to be—and what it most certainly will yet become. Paul and his successors partly transferred the issues of eternal life from the individual to the church. Christ thus became the head of the church rather than the elder brother of each individual believer in the Father’s family of the kingdom. Paul and his contemporaries applied all of Jesus’ spiritual implications regarding himself and the individual believer to the church as a group of believers; and in doing this, they struck a deathblow to Jesus’ concept of the divine kingdom in the heart of the individual believer.

170:5.18 And so, for centuries, the Christian church has labored under great embarrassment because it dared to lay claim to those mysterious powers and privileges of the kingdom, powers and privileges which can be exercised and experienced only between Jesus and his spiritual believer brothers. And thus it becomes apparent that membership in the church does not necessarily mean fellowship in the kingdom; one is spiritual, the other mainly social.

170:5.19 Sooner or later another and greater John the Baptist is due to arise proclaiming “the kingdom of God is at hand"—meaning a return to the high spiritual concept of Jesus, who proclaimed that the kingdom is the will of his heavenly Father dominant and transcendent in the heart of the believer—and doing all this without in any way referring either to the visible church on earth or to the anticipated second coming of Christ. There must come a revival of the actual teachings of Jesus, such a restatement as will undo the work of his early followers who went about to create a sociophilosophical system of belief regarding the fact of Michael’s sojourn on earth. In a short time the teaching of this story about Jesus nearly supplanted the preaching of Jesus’ gospel of the kingdom. In this way a historical religion displaced that teaching in which Jesus had blended man’s highest moral ideas and spiritual ideals with man’s most sublime hope for the future— eternal life. And that was the gospel of the kingdom.

170:5.20 It is just because the gospel of Jesus was so many-sided that within a few centuries students of the records of his teachings became divided up into so many cults and sects. This pitiful subdivision of Christian believers results from failure to discern in the Master’s manifold teachings the divine oneness of his matchless life. But someday the true believers in Jesus will not be thus spiritually divided in their attitude before unbelievers. Always we may have diversity of intellectual comprehension and interpretation, even varying degrees of socialization, but lack of spiritual brotherhood is both inexcusable and reprehensible.

170:5.21 Mistake not! there is in the teachings of Jesus an eternal nature which will not permit them forever to remain unfruitful in the hearts of thinking men. The kingdom as Jesus conceived it has to a large extent failed on earth; for the time being, an outward church has taken its place; but you should comprehend that this church is only the larval stage of the thwarted spiritual kingdom, which will carry it through this material age and over into a more spiritual dispensation where the Master’s teachings may enjoy a fuller opportunity for development. Thus does the so-called Christian church become the cocoon in which the kingdom of Jesus’ concept now slumbers. The kingdom of the divine brotherhood is still alive and will eventually and certainly come forth from this long submergence, just as surely as the butterfly eventually emerges as the beautiful unfolding of its less attractive creature of metamorphic development.




Caino

 

[Caino]

John's water baptism vrs Jesus' spirit baptism

John's water baptism vrs Jesus' spirit baptism

John's water baptism vrs Jesus' spirit baptism.

"That evening while teaching in the house, for it had begun to rain, Jesus talked at great length, trying to show the twelve what they must be, not what they must do. They knew only a religion that imposed the doing of certain things as the means of attaining righteousness — salvation. But Jesus would reiterate, “In the kingdom you must be righteous in order to do the work.” Many times did he repeat, “Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect.” All the while was the Master explaining to his bewildered apostles that the salvation which he had come to bring to the world was to be had only by believing, by simple and sincere faith. Said Jesus: “John preached a baptism of repentance, sorrow for the old way of living. You are to proclaim the baptism of fellowship with God. Preach repentance to those who stand in need of such teaching, but to those already seeking sincere entrance to the kingdom, open the doors wide and bid them enter into the joyous fellowship of the sons of God.” But it was a difficult task to persuade these Galilean fishermen that, in the kingdom, being righteous, by faith, must precede doing righteousness in the daily life of the mortals of earth.
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"The apostles made great progress during the sojourn at Amathus. But they were very much disappointed that Jesus would give them no suggestions about dealing with John’s disciples. Even in the important matter of baptism, all that Jesus said was: “John did indeed baptize with water, but when you enter the kingdom of heaven, you shall be baptized with the Spirit.”
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They next decided that, as long as John lived, whether in prison or out, both groups of twelve apostles would go on with their work, and that joint meetings for one week would be held every three months at places to be agreed upon from time to time.

144:6.7 But the most serious of all their problems was the question of baptism. Their difficulties were all the more aggravated because Jesus had refused to make any pronouncement upon the subject. They finally agreed: As long as John lived, or until they might jointly modify this decision, only the apostles of John would baptize believers, and only the apostles of Jesus would finally instruct the new disciples. Accordingly, from that time until after the death of John, two of the apostles of John accompanied Jesus and his apostles to baptize believers, for the joint council had unanimously voted that baptism was to become the initial step in the outward alliance with the affairs of the kingdom.

144:6.8 It was next agreed, in case of the death of John, that the apostles of John would present themselves to Jesus and become subject to his direction, and that they would baptize no more unless authorized by Jesus or his apostles.

144:6.9 And then was it voted that, in case of John’s death, the apostles of Jesus would begin to baptize with water as the emblem of the baptism of the divine Spirit. As to whether or not repentance should be attached to the preaching of baptism was left optional; no decision was made binding upon the group. John’s apostles preached, “Repent and be baptized.” Jesus’ apostles proclaimed, “Believe and be baptized.”​

Caino