The Late Great Urantia Revelation

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Was Jesus the Jewish Messiah?

THE FIFTEENTH YEAR (A.D. 9)

126:3.1 By the middle of this fifteenth year—and we are reckoning time in accordance with the twentieth-century calendar, not by the Jewish year—Jesus had taken a firm grasp upon the management of his family. Before this year had passed, their savings had about disappeared, and they were face to face with the necessity of disposing of one of the Nazareth houses which Joseph and his neighbor Jacob owned in partnership.

126:3.2 On Wednesday evening, April 17, A.D. 9, Ruth, the baby of the family, was born, and to the best of his ability Jesus endeavored to take the place of his father in comforting and ministering to his mother during this trying and peculiarly sad ordeal. For almost a score of years (until he began his public ministry) no father could have loved and nurtured his daughter any more affectionately and faithfully than Jesus cared for little Ruth. And he was an equally good father to all the other members of his family.

126:3.3 During this year Jesus first formulated the prayer which he subsequently taught to his apostles, and which to many has become known as “The Lord’s Prayer.” In a way it was an evolution of the family altar; they had many forms of praise and several formal prayers. After his father’s death Jesus tried to teach the older children to express themselves individually in prayer—much as he so enjoyed doing—but they could not grasp his thought and would invariably fall back upon their memorized prayer forms. It was in this effort to stimulate his older brothers and sisters to say individual prayers that Jesus would endeavor to lead them along by suggestive phrases, and presently, without intention on his part, it developed that they were all using a form of prayer which was largely built up from these suggestive lines which Jesus had taught them.

126:3.4 At last Jesus gave up the idea of having each member of the family formulate spontaneous prayers, and one evening in October he sat down by the little squat lamp on the low stone table, and, on a piece of smooth cedar board about eighteen inches square, with a piece of charcoal he wrote out the prayer which became from that time on the standard family petition.

126:3.5 This year Jesus was much troubled with confused thinking. Family responsibility had quite effectively removed all thought of immediately carrying out any plan for responding to the Jerusalem visitation directing him to “be about his Father’s business.” Jesus rightly reasoned that the watchcare of his earthly father’s family must take precedence of all duties; that the support of his family must become his first obligation.

126:3.6 In the course of this year Jesus found a passage in the so-called Book of Enoch which influenced him in the later adoption of the term “Son of Man” as a designation for his bestowal mission on Urantia. He had thoroughly considered the idea of the Jewish Messiah and was firmly convinced that he was not to be that Messiah. He longed to help his father’s people, but he never expected to lead Jewish armies in overthrowing the foreign domination of Palestine. He knew he would never sit on the throne of David at Jerusalem. Neither did he believe that his mission was that of a spiritual deliverer or moral teacher solely to the Jewish people. In no sense, therefore, could his life mission be the fulfillment of the intense longings and supposed Messianic prophecies of the Hebrew scriptures; at least, not as the Jews understood these predictions of the prophets. Likewise he was certain he was never to appear as the Son of Man depicted by the Prophet Daniel.

126:3.7 But when the time came for him to go forth as a world teacher, what would he call himself? What claim should he make concerning his mission? By what name would he be called by the people who would become believers in his teachings?

126:3.8 While turning all these problems over in his mind, he found in the synagogue library at Nazareth, among the apocalyptic books which he had been studying, this manuscript called "The Book of Enoch”; and though he was certain that it had not been written by Enoch of old, it proved very intriguing to him, and he read and reread it many times. There was one passage which particularly impressed him, a passage in which this term “Son of Man” appeared. The writer of this so-called Book of Enoch went on to tell about this Son of Man, describing the work he would do on earth and explaining that this Son of Man, before coming down on this earth to bring salvation to mankind, had walked through the courts of heavenly glory with his Father, the Father of all; and that he had turned his back upon all this grandeur and glory to come down on earth to proclaim salvation to needy mortals. As Jesus would read these passages (well understanding that much of the Eastern mysticism which had become admixed with these teachings was erroneous), he responded in his heart and recognized in his mind that of all the Messianic predictions of the Hebrew scriptures and of all the theories about the Jewish deliverer, none was so near the truth as this story tucked away in this only partially accredited Book of Enoch; and he then and there decided to adopt as his inaugural title “the Son of Man.” And this he did when he subsequently began his public work. Jesus had an unerring ability for the recognition of truth, and truth he never hesitated to embrace, no matter from what source it appeared to emanate.

126:3.9 By this time he had quite thoroughly settled many things about his forthcoming work for the world, but he said nothing of these matters to his mother, who still held stoutly to the idea of his being the Jewish Messiah.

126:3.10 The great confusion of Jesus’ younger days now arose. Having settled something about the nature of his mission on earth, “to be about his Father’s business"—to show forth his Father’s loving nature to all mankind—he began to ponder anew the many statements in the Scriptures referring to the coming of a national deliverer, a Jewish teacher or king. To what event did these prophecies refer? Was not he a Jew?, or was he? Was he or was he not of the house of David? His mother averred he was; his father had ruled that he was not. He decided he was not. But had the prophets confused the nature and mission of the Messiah?

126:3.11 After all, could it be possible that his mother was right? In most matters, when differences of opinion had arisen in the past, she had been right. If he were a new teacher and not the Messiah, then how should he recognize the Jewish Messiah if such a one should appear in Jerusalem during the time of his earth mission; and, further, what should be his relation to this Jewish Messiah? And what should be his relation, after embarking on his life mission, to his family? to the Jewish commonwealth and religion? to the Roman Empire? to the gentiles and their religions? Each of these momentous problems this young Galilean turned over in his mind and seriously pondered while he continued to work at the carpenter’s bench, laboriously making a living for himself, his mother, and eight other hungry mouths.

126:3.12 Before the end of this year Mary saw the family funds diminishing. She turned the sale of doves over to James. Presently they bought a second cow, and with the aid of Miriam they began the sale of milk to their Nazareth neighbors.

126:3.13 His profound periods of meditation, his frequent journeys to the hilltop for prayer, and the many strange ideas which Jesus advanced from time to time, thoroughly alarmed his mother. Sometimes she thought the lad was beside himself, and then she would steady her fears, remembering that he was, after all, a child of promise and in some manner different from other youths.

126:3.14 But Jesus was learning not to speak of all his thoughts, not to present all his ideas to the world, not even to his own mother. From this year on, Jesus’ disclosures about what was going on in his mind steadily diminished; that is, he talked less about those things which an average person could not grasp, and which would lead to his being regarded as peculiar or different from ordinary folks. To all appearances he became commonplace and conventional, though he did long for someone who could understand his problems. He craved a trustworthy and confidential friend, but his problems were too complex for his human associates to comprehend. The uniqueness of the unusual situation compelled him to bear his burdens alone." UB 1955
 

PneumaPsucheSoma

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I'm just poking my head in here within all the craziness and delusion for a sec...

I had a close acquaintance who was recently infatuated with the Urantia Book. I'm quite glad I spent a bit of time on this thread to be better able to direct him to the means of being able to dismiss the Urantia Papers for the utter demonic drivel they are.

He burned it.

Back to the mental disorders for you guys. See ya next time. LOL
 

patrick jane

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I'm just poking my head in here within all the craziness and delusion for a sec...

I had a close acquaintance who was recently infatuated with the Urantia Book. I'm quite glad I spent a bit of time on this thread to be better able to direct him to the means of being able to dismiss the Urantia Papers for the utter demonic drivel they are.

He burned it.

Back to the mental disorders for you guys. See ya next time. LOL
:mock: PPS's friends read Urantia
 

Caino

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The last time Jesus came scripture worshipers said the same thing.

20Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. 21When his familyb heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.”

22And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebul! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.”

I like the Urantia Book because it's much more consistent than the Bible books. An honest person can't even get past the first couple of chapters of Genesis without seeing all the flaws and contradictions. But indoctrinated are not allowed to acknowledge these errors because the false prophets of the doctrine of inspiration created guilt in the brains of Christians who doubt the authority of what the same holy men wrote.


Satan never was a God and demons never had the powers that people believe they did. The real "demon" is the resistance by people to take personal responsibility for their own behavior. So they blame evil forces when the evil is in their own hearts. The demons that did exist (renagade midwayers) were all taken away at the ascension.
 

freelight

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A cure for your 'poking'.......

A cure for your 'poking'.......

I'm just poking my head in here within all the craziness and delusion for a sec...

I had a close acquaintance who was recently infatuated with the Urantia Book. I'm quite glad I spent a bit of time on this thread to be better able to direct him to the means of being able to dismiss the Urantia Papers for the utter demonic drivel they are.

He burned it.

Back to the mental disorders for you guys. See ya next time. LOL

The UB represents a much more modern progressive revelation for this epoch, lacking the craziness, delusion, cruelty and insanity of earlier religious books that portray a wrathful, jealous, capricious 'god' commanding and condoning slavery, genocide, homophobia, mutilation, blood animal sacrifice and other primitive barbaric practices.

The UB on many levels then presents a more holistic progressive vision of the purpose of life, within creation as an on-going evolution of consciousness, satisfying the soul's interest in religion, science and philosophy (albiet the revelators were limited to the terms and language symbols of the 20th century), recognizing that there is on-going progressive revelation as well. Therefore, you'd have to show what concepts or teachings in the UB are worse than the primitive, outdated and barbaric concepts heralded in your own preferred religious book whose own 'image' of 'God' seems to change with the times, needing a 'new covenant' since the 'old' was apparently imperfect, which confirms the concept of 'progressive revelation' anyways. Since revelation is progressive and the Spirit of truth is ever inspiring, leading and guiding souls into all truth as Jesus said, you cannot limit the Spirit to only one religious book or collection of writings whose canon was organized by scribes for their own 'cult-ural' purpose and agendas.

It would be rather 'crazy' or even maniacal to assume that you could put 'God' in a box or limit THE INFINITE to a single book or religious tradition, when such a thing is impossible granted the nature and magnitude of Deity. So, before assuming 'craziness' for another religious volume (even if it might have ideas and concepts of persons that crept in involved in its organization), you might want to sort thru and resolve the contradictions, paradoxes and absurdities of your own 'religious book' before judging another, since the 'tradition' you champion as 'orthodox' is not without its own problems.

In the meantime, since the UB is such a large tome covering so much information, its fundamental teaching on God and the Universe contained in the first 12 papers, speak for themselves. One may accept this presentation of the Creator and Creation, or reject it. There are religionists around the world, who do fine with their own religious writings (scriptures) without a 'Bible', or a 'UB' for that matter. Which goes to show, each person has that which is available to them to investigate, prove or discover, so that at the end of the day, each settle for those values and meanings that feel right to them, agreeing with reason, logic and conscience, as forming that nucleus and context of a 'true religion'.

Anyone interested in religion has just as much right to investigate the Urantia Book as they do the Bible, or any other religious book for that matter, and this particular part of the forum is the discussion of 'Religion'. I find nothing wrong with the greater cosmological context of the UB revelation (which serves as a conceptual frame in which to relate ideas, concepts and principles) or its presentation of Jesus gospel-message in Part 4, which is founded on the Fatherhood of God and Brotherhood of Man, espousing the same universal truth principles and religious values contained in the Bible, expounding further Jesus teaching formerly contained in the synoptic gospels.
 

PneumaPsucheSoma

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The UB represents a much more modern progressive revelation for this epoch, lacking the craziness, delusion, cruelty and insanity of earlier religious books that portray a wrathful, jealous, capricious 'god' commanding and condoning slavery, genocide, homophobia, mutilation, blood animal sacrifice and other primitive barbaric practices.

The UB on many levels then presents a more holistic progressive vision of the purpose of life, within creation as an on-going evolution of consciousness, satisfying the soul's interest in religion, science and philosophy (albiet the revelators were limited to the terms and language symbols of the 20th century), recognizing that there is on-going progressive revelation as well. Therefore, you'd have to show what concepts or teachings in the UB are worse than the primitive, outdated and barbaric concepts heralded in your own preferred religious book whose own 'image' of 'God' seems to change with the times, needing a 'new covenant' since the 'old' was apparently imperfect, which confirms the concept of 'progressive revelation' anyways. Since revelation is progressive and the Spirit of truth is ever inspiring, leading and guiding souls into all truth as Jesus said, you cannot limit the Spirit to only one religious book or collection of writings whose canon was organized by scribes for their own 'cult-ural' purpose and agendas.

It would be rather 'crazy' or even maniacal to assume that you could put 'God' in a box or limit THE INFINITE to a single book or religious tradition, when such a thing is impossible granted the nature and magnitude of Deity. So, before assuming 'craziness' for another religious volume (even if it might have ideas and concepts of persons that crept in involved in its organization), you might want to sort thru and resolve the contradictions, paradoxes and absurdities of your own 'religious book' before judging another, since the 'tradition' you champion as 'orthodox' is not without its own problems.

In the meantime, since the UB is such a large tome covering so much information, its fundamental teaching on God and the Universe contained in the first 12 papers, speak for themselves. One may accept this presentation of the Creator and Creation, or reject it. There are religionists around the world, who do fine with their own religious writings (scriptures) without a 'Bible', or a 'UB' for that matter. Which goes to show, each person has that which is available to them to investigate, prove or discover, so that at the end of the day, each settle for those values and meanings that feel right to them, agreeing with reason, logic and conscience, as forming that nucleus and context of a 'true religion'.

Anyone interested in religion has just as much right to investigate the Urantia Book as they do the Bible, or any other religious book for that matter, and this particular part of the forum is the discussion of 'Religion'. I find nothing wrong with the greater cosmological context of the UB revelation (which serves as a conceptual frame in which to relate ideas, concepts and principles) or its presentation of Jesus gospel-message in Part 4, which is founded on the Fatherhood of God and Brotherhood of Man, espousing the same universal truth principles and religious values contained in the Bible, expounding further Jesus teaching formerly contained in the synoptic gospels.

There is no cure needed for my "poking".

There is certainly no need for a "much more modern progressive revelation for this epoch".

And there are no issues or problem with ancient, historical, authentic, orthodox Christianity as the only valid religion.

But hey, enjoy your delusions while you can.
 

Caino

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There is no orthodox Christianity, just men and the investment of their human ego's into the evil of doctrine formation.
 

freelight

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More remedies for religious 'poking'..........

More remedies for religious 'poking'..........

There is no cure needed for my "poking".

The pun was intended for truth seekers :)

There is certainly no need for a "much more modern progressive revelation for this epoch".

You'd have to prove there is no need for 'progressive revelation' at all, which would put a damper on your own 'version' of 'Christianity', since it is both a evolutional and revelational dispensation added upon and innovated OUT OF Judaism, and other religious cutures/traditions, symbolism and metaphors,.... stir the 'alphabet soup' and spell out various 'terms' as you wish. And still Jesus even says the Spirit of truth will CONTINUE to lead, guide and teach those open to its 'guidance'.

My former observation stands for those open to investigate. No book can contain the Allness of 'God', neither can you monopolize Spirit, let alone infinity. Ultimately the reality of 'God' is an inner subjective context of awareness, including all dimensions of perception and knowledge, no matter how 'God' is 'defined' or 'realized',...it is still the reality of 'God' that makes for any 'perception' or 'knowledge' whatsoever.

And there are no issues or problem with ancient, historical, authentic, orthodox Christianity as the only valid religion.

That all depends on how one defines, qualifies or explains such 'terms', with a good many disagreeing and convoluting such terms, meanings and conclusions. While there is 'progressive revelation', you'd be hard pressed to assume Jesus approves of what has become of the 'religion' created or built upon his name, historically or mythologically conceived. Otherwise, Jesus knew nothing of 'traditional orthodox' Christianity as it LATER evolved, formulated and became creedalized by so many sects defining their own versions of 'Christianity'. Just the hard facts,...and still your 'religion' is a product of your own conception more or less, beyond what 'reality' exists that is truly beyond words, which all share as part of one universal reality (no matter the multitude of relative points of view).

But hey, enjoy your delusions while you can.

I dont pretend to accept the delusions of religion that violate consciense, reason and logic, but continue to research, investigate and question all religious beliefs, opinions and concepts, since my own views are ALWAYS subject to modification, correction or expansion in one form or another. Truth is living, fluid, dynamic...no matter what forms, symbols or types they are expressed in or thru. Hence the value of a universal religion, going back to the ancient wisdom teachings, whose truths are innate in nature and Spirit, and integrate the whole of reality in their various functions (here I reference the Perennial Wisdom schools, Theosophy, Eclectic shools of philosophy, etc.)

While dealing with 'Religion' we cover a deep subject with many dimensions and aspects to it. The UB addresses this thru-out and expressly in those papers dealing with Religion itself, as found here.

Since this forum is to be focused on the subject of 'Religion' these papers are "on point".

Finally as I shared about a new chapter in my own journey, its all 'alphabet soup' more or less, beyond what one can discern, understand and relate to, using the 'alphabet'(letters) if you follow me. Hence my eclectic view of religion must include every dimension and facet, including all religious traditions, prophets, messiahs, or god-men, because all are products or conceptions of man's religious imagination anyways (some translation thereof), no matter what truth-values or meanings are conveyed thru the terms or personalities employed. Thats where I'm at in the journey, and enjoying the multi-colours therein.

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Caino

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The pun was intended for truth seekers :)



You'd have to prove there is no need for 'progressive revelation' at all, which would put a damper on your own 'version' of 'Christianity', since it is both a evolutional and revelational dispensation added upon and innovated OUT OF Judaism, and other religious cutures/traditions, symbolism and metaphors,.... stir the 'alphabet soup' and spell out various 'terms' as you wish. And still Jesus even says the Spirit of truth will CONTINUE to lead, guide and teach those open to its 'guidance'.

My former observation stands for those open to investigate. No book can contain the Allness of 'God', neither can you monopolize Spirit, let alone infinity. Ultimately the reality of 'God' is an inner subjective context of awareness, including all dimensions of perception and knowledge, no matter how 'God' is 'defined' or 'realized',...it is still the reality of 'God' that makes for any 'perception' or 'knowledge' whatsoever.



That all depends on how one defines, qualifies or explains such 'terms', with a good many disagreeing and convoluting such terms, meanings and conclusions. While there is 'progressive revelation', you'd be hard pressed to assume Jesus approves of what has become of the 'religion' created or built upon his name, historically or mythologically conceived. Otherwise, Jesus knew nothing of 'traditional orthodox' Christianity as it LATER evolved, formulated and became creedalized by so many sects defining their own versions of 'Christianity'. Just the hard facts,...and still your 'religion' is a product of your own conception more or less, beyond what 'reality' exists that is truly beyond words, which all share as part of one universal reality (no matter the multitude of relative points of view).



I dont pretend to accept the delusions of religion that violate consciense, reason and logic, but continue to research, investigate and question all religious beliefs, opinions and concepts, since my own views are ALWAYS subject to modification, correction or expansion in one form or another. Truth is living, fluid, dynamic...no matter what forms, symbols or types they are expressed in or thru. Hence the value of a universal religion, going back to the ancient wisdom teachings, whose truths are innate in nature and Spirit, and integrate the whole of reality in their various functions (here I reference the Perennial Wisdom schools, Theosophy, Eclectic shools of philosophy, etc.)

While dealing with 'Religion' we cover a deep subject with many dimensions and aspects to it. The UB addresses this thru-out and expressly in those papers dealing with Religion itself, as found here.

Since this forum is to be focused on the subject of 'Religion' these papers are "on point".

Finally as I shared about a new chapter in my own journey, its all 'alphabet soup' more or less, beyond what one can discern, understand and relate to, using the 'alphabet'(letters) if you follow me. Hence my eclectic view of religion must include every dimension and facet, including all religious traditions, prophets, messiahs, or god-men, because all are products or conceptions of man's religious imagination anyways (some translation thereof), no matter what truth-values or meanings are conveyed thru the terms or personalities employed. Thats where I'm at in the journey, and enjoying the multi-colours therein.

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Good post! The Bible books demonstrate progressive revelation. As Jesus pointed out, each step along the way has been marked by objections from the status quo. The Urantia revelation is no different.
 

freelight

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Good post! The Bible books demonstrate progressive revelation. As Jesus pointed out, each step along the way has been marked by objections from the status quo. The Urantia revelation is no different.

To think any one religious book has a monopoly on 'God' is delusional indeed,...there are some books that have a better more comprehensive explanation or description of religious meaning and values, within a given context, or may be a better portraiture of revelation to the planet at this time as far as what 'God' would communicate to man regarding his temporal condition, potential and divine destiny.

In any world of 'conditional existence' in space and time, there will always be new dispensations of knowledge, wisdom and revelation. To deny this and worship a code of letters, creeds or dogmas as 'absolute', 'perfect' or 'final' is idolatry. The UB certainly acknowledges that while its dispensation is given/appropriated to this current 'epoch', there will come a time when man is ready that a 'new dispensation' will logically come forth commensurate with man's readiness and earning. Religious experience and knowledge progresses along both 'evolutional'(natural) and 'revelational'(inspired) lines.
 

Caino

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1. THE UNIVERSE ATTITUDE OF THE FATHER


4:1.1 For ages the inhabitants of Urantia have misunderstood the providence of God. There is a providence of divine outworking on your world, but it is not the childish, arbitrary, and material ministry many mortals have conceived it to be. The providence of God consists in the interlocking activities of the celestial beings and the divine spirits who, in accordance with cosmic law, unceasingly labor for the honor of God and for the spiritual advancement of his universe children.

4:1.2 Can you not advance in your concept of God's dealing with man to that level where you recognize that the watchword of the universe is progress? Through long ages the human race has struggled to reach its present position. Throughout all these millenniums Providence has been working out the plan of progressive evolution. The two thoughts are not opposed in practice, only in man's mistaken concepts. Divine providence is never arrayed in opposition to true human progress, either temporal or spiritual. Providence is always consistent with the unchanging and perfect nature of the supreme Lawmaker.

4:1.3 "God is faithful" and "all his commandments are just." "His faithfulness is established in the very skies." "Forever, O Lord, your word is settled in heaven. Your faithfulness is to all generations; you have established the earth and it abides." "He is a faithful Creator."

4:1.4 There is no limitation of the forces and personalities which the Father may use to uphold his purpose and sustain his creatures. "The eternal God is our refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms." "He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty." "Behold, he who keeps us shall neither slumber nor sleep." "We know that all things work together for good to those who love God," "for the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayers."

4:1.5 God upholds "all things by the word of his power." And when new worlds are born, he "sends forth his Sons and they are created." God not only creates, but he "preserves them all." God constantly upholds all things material and all beings spiritual. The universes are eternally stable. There is stability in the midst of apparent instability. There is an underlying order and security in the midst of the energy upheavals and the physical cataclysms of the starry realms.

4:1.6 The Universal Father has not withdrawn from the management of the universes; he is not an inactive Deity. If God should retire as the present upholder of all creation, there would immediately occur a universal collapse. Except for God, there would be no such thing as reality. At this very moment, as during the remote ages of the past and in the eternal future, God continues to uphold. The divine reach extends around the circle of eternity. The universe is not wound up like a clock to run just so long and then cease to function; all things are constantly being renewed. The Father unceasingly pours forth energy, light, and life. The work of God is literal as well as spiritual. "He stretches out the north over the empty space and hangs the earth upon nothing."

4:1.7 A being of my order is able to discover ultimate harmony and to detect far-reaching and profound co- ordination in the routine affairs of universe administration. Much that seems disjointed and haphazard to the mortal mind appears orderly and constructive to my understanding. But there is very much going on in the universes that I do not fully comprehend. I have long been a student of, and am more or less conversant with, the recognized forces, energies, minds, morontias, spirits, and personalities of the local universes and the superuniverses. I have a general understanding of how these agencies and personalities operate, and I am intimately familiar with the workings of the accredited spirit intelligences of the grand universe. Notwithstanding my knowledge of the phenomena of the universes, I am constantly confronted with cosmic reactions which I cannot fully fathom. I am continually encountering apparently fortuitous conspiracies of the interassociation of forces, energies, intellects, and spirits, which I cannot satisfactorily explain.

4:1.8 I am entirely competent to trace out and to analyze the working of all phenomena directly resulting from the functioning of the Universal Father, the Eternal Son, the Infinite Spirit, and, to a large extent, the Isle of Paradise. My perplexity is occasioned by encountering what appears to be the performance of their mysterious co-ordinates, the three Absolutes of potentiality. These Absolutes seem to supersede matter, to transcend mind, and to supervene spirit. I am constantly confused and often perplexed by my inability to comprehend these complex transactions which I attribute to the presences and performances of the Unqualified Absolute, the Deity Absolute, and the Universal Absolute.

4:1.9 These Absolutes must be the not-fully-revealed presences abroad in the universe which, in the phenomena of space potency and in the function of other superultimates, render it impossible for physicists, philosophers, or even religionists to predict with certainty as to just how the primordials of force, concept, or spirit will respond to demands made in a complex reality situation involving supreme adjustments and ultimate values.

4:1.10 There is also an organic unity in the universes of time and space which seems to underlie the whole fabric of cosmic events. This living presence of the evolving Supreme Being, this Immanence of the Projected Incomplete, is inexplicably manifested ever and anon by what appears to be an amazingly fortuitous co-ordination of apparently unrelated universe happenings. This must be the function of Providence—the realm of the Supreme Being and the Conjoint Actor.

4:1.11 I am inclined to believe that it is this far-flung and generally unrecognizable control of the co- ordination and interassociation of all phases and forms of universe activity that causes such a variegated and apparently hopelessly confused medley of physical, mental, moral, and spiritual phenomena so unerringly to work out to the glory of God and for the good of men and angels.

4:1.12 But in the larger sense the apparent "accidents" of the cosmos are undoubtedly a part of the finite drama of the time-space adventure of the Infinite in his eternal manipulation of the Absolutes." UB 1955
 

freelight

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Absonite................

Absonite................

:mock: PPS's friends read Urantia

PPS has been adequately addressed here, as well as elsewhere ;) - the philosophical, religious, spiritual statements and explanations in the UB stand on their own, just as any other writings or books on the subject, as each discourse is evaluated on the meanings and values it contains, - our approach to 'learning' is therefore a universal one, since 'God' is that infinite MIND and SPIRIT that is the source, life and energizer of all that exists. Therefore, since 'God' is the universal and infinite ONE, the First Source and Center of all reality,...of all potentials and possibilities, how could you limit 'God' to any one religious book, cult-ure, tradition, language or school of thought? Can you limit, define, describe or contain what is infinite? Does not the Infinite Spirit fill heaven and earth? Is not the Spirit of 'God' omnipresent, as well as infinite?

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{ UB text below in navy blue, my commentary in black }

1. GOD’S EVERYWHERENESS

3:1.1 The ability of the Universal Father to be everywhere present, and at the same time, constitutes his omnipresence. God alone can be in two places, in numberless places, at the same time. God is simultaneously present “in heaven above and on the earth beneath”; as the Psalmist exclaimed: “Whither shall I go from your spirit? or whither shall I flee from your presence?”

3:1.2 “`I am a God at hand as well as afar off,’ says the Lord. `Do not I fill heaven and earth?'” The Universal Father is all the time present in all parts and in all hearts of his far-flung creation. He is “the fullness of him who fills all and in all,” and “who works all in all,” and further, the concept of his personality is such that “the heaven universe and heaven of heavens (universe of universes) cannot contain him.” It is literally true that God is all and in all. But even that is not all of God. The Infinite can be finally revealed only in infinity; the cause can never be fully comprehended by an analysis of effects; the living God is immeasurably greater than the sum total of creation that has come into being as a result of the creative acts of his unfettered free will. God is revealed throughout the cosmos, but the cosmos can never contain or encompass the entirety of the infinity of God.



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1:3.5 God is a universal spirit; God is the universal person. The supreme personal reality of the finite creation is spirit; the ultimate reality of the personal cosmos is absonite* spirit. Only the levels of infinity are absolute, and only on such levels is there finality of oneness between matter, mind, and spirit.

Below are some terms and their meanings unique to the UB :


Absonite *

'Absonite' as midway between absolute and finite. The absonite level of reality is characterized by things and beings without beginnings or endings and by the transcendence of time and space. Absonite beings are not created; they simply are. But because they are "things and beings," they have limits, or edges, and so are sub-infinite. See eventuate.

Eventuate

Simply, to be; not to be created, not to evolve, but simply to be. "You, being a creature... can hardly comprehend… intelligent beings who are neither Creators nor creatures." Certain things and beings "create no beings, neither were they ever created." They simply eventuate.



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Here we see that the 'absonite' is not created, but 'eventuated', and in describing various personalities in the cosmos, we see that class of 'transcendentalers' as being 'absonite' in nature -

30:1.92 IV. EVENTUATED TRANSCENDENTAL BEINGS.

There is to be found on Paradise a vast host of transcendental beings whose origin is not ordinarily disclosed to the universes of time and space until they are settled in light and life. These Transcendentalers are neither creators nor creatures; they are the eventuated children of divinity, ultimacy, and eternity. These “eventuators” are neither finite nor infinite—they are absonite; and absonity is neither infinity nor absoluteness.


Furthermore we see that certain evolutional aspects of Deity 'eventuate', such as in the 'super-personality' of 'God', since the all-encompassing aspect of Deity as 'God the Supreme' includes/concludes the full space-time evolution/synthesis of all reality into Itself, and on this level of intersecting reality, the whole 'enventuates' into the manifold fullness of 'God' within the totality of creation. The 'absonite' features of the cosmos then are existential realities that while not having so called beginning or endings still appear to have their place in the unfolding and realization of life-potential as eventuals.

30:1.99 God, as a superperson, eventuates; God, as a person, creates; God, as a preperson, fragments; and such an Adjuster fragment of himself evolves the spirit soul upon the material and mortal mind in accordance with the freewill choosing of the personality which has been bestowed upon such a mortal creature by the parental act of God as a Father.

All 73 references to 'absonite' here.
 

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The attitude of the Fathering Soul of creation..........

The attitude of the Fathering Soul of creation..........

1. THE UNIVERSE ATTITUDE OF THE FATHER


4:1.1 For ages the inhabitants of Urantia have misunderstood the providence of God. There is a providence of divine outworking on your world, but it is not the childish, arbitrary, and material ministry many mortals have conceived it to be. The providence of God consists in the interlocking activities of the celestial beings and the divine spirits who, in accordance with cosmic law, unceasingly labor for the honor of God and for the spiritual advancement of his universe children.

4:1.2 Can you not advance in your concept of God's dealing with man to that level where you recognize that the watchword of the universe is progress? Through long ages the human race has struggled to reach its present position. Throughout all these millenniums Providence has been working out the plan of progressive evolution. The two thoughts are not opposed in practice, only in man's mistaken concepts. Divine providence is never arrayed in opposition to true human progress, either temporal or spiritual. Providence is always consistent with the unchanging and perfect nature of the supreme Lawmaker.

Here we see intrinsic to life itself is the creative impulse of creation, whose inter-acting and relating sequence is 'progressive evolution'. Since Creation itself is evolving along the lines of universal law and purpose, the Creator (and co-creators), and creation itself, share in a synthesis of transformation, so that the evolving total is ever being enhanced, augmented by the unending concert of unfolding potentials, nuanced by those conditional factors which affect how those 'actualize'.
 

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Creator Sons who go forth from Paradise.....

Creator Sons who go forth from Paradise.....

1. THE UNIVERSE ATTITUDE OF THE FATHER



4:1.3 "God is faithful" and "all his commandments are just." "His faithfulness is established in the very skies." "Forever, O Lord, your word is settled in heaven. Your faithfulness is to all generations; you have established the earth and it abides." "He is a faithful Creator."

4:1.4 There is no limitation of the forces and personalities which the Father may use to uphold his purpose and sustain his creatures. "The eternal God is our refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms." "He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty." "Behold, he who keeps us shall neither slumber nor sleep." "We know that all things work together for good to those who love God," "for the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayers."

4:1.5 God upholds "all things by the word of his power." And when new worlds are born, he "sends forth his Sons and they are created." God not only creates, but he "preserves them all." God constantly upholds all things material and all beings spiritual. The universes are eternally stable. There is stability in the midst of apparent instability. There is an underlying order and security in the midst of the energy upheavals and the physical cataclysms of the starry realms.

We note here, the creating of the worlds of space and time, are brought forth thru the 'Creator-Sons' of God, and these Sons become the sponsors, representatives and actual administrators, lords and Saviors of their respective worlds, and so with the dawning of new worlds evolving along their own special lines of progressive evolution, all worlds strive towards perfection to enter into an 'Era of light and life'. This New Era represents a world so elavated and evolved spiritually, that it is 'settled' as it were in the divine life stream. Being 'settled in light and life' is the aspiration of all evolutionary worlds of time, whereby souls draw closer to divine perfection in love, and so secure their ascension in God.
 

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“By the old way you seek to suppress, obey, and conform to the rules of living; by the new way you are first transformed by the Spirit of Truth and thereby strengthened in your inner soul by the constant spiritual renewing of your mind, and so are you endowed with the power of the certain and joyous performance of the gracious, acceptable, and perfect will of God. Forget not — it is your personal faith in the exceedingly great and precious promises of God that ensures your becoming partakers of the divine nature. Thus by your faith and the spirit’s transformation, you become in reality the temples of God, and his spirit actually dwells within you. If, then, the spirit dwells within you, you are no longer bondslaves of the flesh but free and liberated sons of the spirit. The new law of the spirit endows you with the liberty of self-mastery in place of the old law of the fear of self-bondage and the slavery of self-denial."

Jesus of the UB
 

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"The cross forever shows that the attitude of Jesus toward sinners was neither condemnation nor condonation, but rather eternal and loving salvation. Jesus is truly a savior in the sense that his life and death do win men over to goodness and righteous survival. Jesus loves men so much that his love awakens the response of love in the human heart. Love is truly contagious and eternally creative. Jesus' death on the cross exemplifies a love which is sufficiently strong and divine to forgive sin and swallow up all evil-doing. Jesus disclosed to this world a higher quality of righteousness than justice—mere technical right and wrong. Divine love does not merely forgive wrongs; it absorbs and actually destroys them. The forgiveness of love utterly transcends the forgiveness of mercy. Mercy sets the guilt of evil-doing to one side; but love destroys forever the sin and all weakness resulting therefrom. Jesus brought a new method of living to Urantia. He taught us not to resist evil but to find through him a goodness which effectually destroys evil. The forgiveness of Jesus is not condonation; it is salvation from condemnation. Salvation does not slight wrongs; it makes them right. True love does not compromise nor condone hate; it destroys it. The love of Jesus is never satisfied with mere forgiveness. The Master's love implies rehabilitation, eternal survival. It is altogether proper to speak of salvation as redemption if you mean this eternal rehabilitation.

188:5.3 Jesus, by the power of his personal love for men, could break the hold of sin and evil. He thereby set men free to choose better ways of living. Jesus portrayed a deliverance from the past which in itself promised a triumph for the future. Forgiveness thus provided salvation. The beauty of divine love, once fully admitted to the human heart, forever destroys the charm of sin and the power of evil.

188:5.4 The sufferings of Jesus were not confined to the crucifixion. In reality, Jesus of Nazareth spent upward of twenty-five years on the cross of a real and intense mortal existence. The real value of the cross consists in the fact that it was the supreme and final expression of his love, the completed revelation of his mercy."
 

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The Faith of Jesus......

The Faith of Jesus......



"The cross forever shows that the attitude of Jesus toward sinners was neither condemnation nor condonation, but rather eternal and loving salvation. Jesus is truly a savior in the sense that his life and death do win men over to goodness and righteous survival. Jesus loves men so much that his love awakens the response of love in the human heart. Love is truly contagious and eternally creative. Jesus' death on the cross exemplifies a love which is sufficiently strong and divine to forgive sin and swallow up all evil-doing. Jesus disclosed to this world a higher quality of righteousness than justice—mere technical right and wrong. Divine love does not merely forgive wrongs; it absorbs and actually destroys them. The forgiveness of love utterly transcends the forgiveness of mercy. Mercy sets the guilt of evil-doing to one side; but love destroys forever the sin and all weakness resulting therefrom. Jesus brought a new method of living to Urantia. He taught us not to resist evil but to find through him a goodness which effectually destroys evil. The forgiveness of Jesus is not condonation; it is salvation from condemnation. Salvation does not slight wrongs; it makes them right. True love does not compromise nor condone hate; it destroys it. The love of Jesus is never satisfied with mere forgiveness. The Master's love implies rehabilitation, eternal survival. It is altogether proper to speak of salvation as redemption if you mean this eternal rehabilitation.

188:5.3 Jesus, by the power of his personal love for men, could break the hold of sin and evil. He thereby set men free to choose better ways of living. Jesus portrayed a deliverance from the past which in itself promised a triumph for the future. Forgiveness thus provided salvation. The beauty of divine love, once fully admitted to the human heart, forever destroys the charm of sin and the power of evil.

188:5.4 The sufferings of Jesus were not confined to the crucifixion. In reality, Jesus of Nazareth spent upward of twenty-five years on the cross of a real and intense mortal existence. The real value of the cross consists in the fact that it was the supreme and final expression of his love, the completed revelation of his mercy."

A wonderful presentation of the symbolism behind the 'cross', which moves beyond primitive concepts of 'blood atonement ritual' and into the heart of sacrificial love that gives its own soul-life in service of the Spirit :angel:

The final paper among the Urantia Papers is Paper 196 - The Faith of Jesus. For those really wondering what the papers speak of Jesus as an essential summation and synopsis of his personality, this final paper holds to its own testimony. This final Paper on Jesus is especially addressed to modern day Christians, both in the 20th century and in our current 21st century, continuing on for centuries to come.


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Ancient Hominin Skull From China Suggests Humans Didn't Evolve Just From African Ancestors


http://www.newsweek.com/archaeology-skull-evolution-homo-sapiens-homo-erectus-human-710973



Urantia Book (revelation) 1911-1955


"79:0.1 ASIA IS THE homeland of the human race. It was on a southern peninsula of this continent that Andon and Fonta were born; in the highlands of what is now Afghanistan, their descendant Badonan founded a primitive center of culture that persisted for over one-half million years. Here at this eastern focus of the human race the Sangik peoples differentiated from the Andonic stock, and Asia was their first home, their first hunting ground, their first battlefield. Southwestern Asia witnessed the successive civilizations of Dalamatians, Nodites, Adamites, and Andites, and from these regions the potentials of modern civilization spread to the world."


5. THE FIRST HUMAN BEINGS


62:5.1 From the year A.D. 1934 back to the birth of the first two human beings is just 993,419 years.

62:5.2 These two remarkable creatures were true human beings. They possessed perfect human thumbs, as had many of their ancestors, while they had just as perfect feet as the present-day human races. They were walkers and runners, not climbers; the grasping function of the big toe was absent, completely absent. When danger drove them to the treetops, they climbed just like the humans of today would. They would climb up the trunk of a tree like a bear and not as would a chimpanzee or a gorilla, swinging up by the branches.


62:5.3 These first human beings (and their descendants) reached full maturity at twelve years of age and possessed a potential life span of about seventy-five years.


62:5.4 Many new emotions early appeared in these human twins. They experienced admiration for both objects and other beings and exhibited considerable vanity. But the most remarkable advance in emotional development was the sudden appearance of a new group of really human feelings, the worshipful group, embracing awe, reverence, humility, and even a primitive form of gratitude. Fear, joined with ignorance of natural phenomena, is about to give birth to primitive religion.


62:5.5 Not only were such human feelings manifested in these primitive humans, but many more highly evolved sentiments were also present in rudimentary form. They were mildly cognizant of pity, shame, and reproach and were acutely conscious of love, hate, and revenge, being also susceptible to marked feelings of jealousy.


62:5.6 These first two humans—the twins—were a great trial to their Primates parents. They were so curious and adventurous that they nearly lost their lives on numerous occasions before they were eight years old. As it was, they were rather well scarred up by the time they were twelve.


62:5.7 Very early they learned to engage in verbal communication; by the age of ten they had worked out an improved sign and word language of almost half a hundred ideas and had greatly improved and expanded the crude communicative technique of their ancestors. But try as hard as they might, they were able to teach only a few of their new signs and symbols to their parents.


62:5.8 When about nine years of age, they journeyed off down the river one bright day and held a momentous conference. Every celestial intelligence stationed on Urantia, including myself, was present as an observer of the transactions of this noontide tryst. On this eventful day they arrived at an understanding to live with and for each other, and this was the first of a series of such agreements which finally culminated in the decision to flee from their inferior animal associates and to journey northward, little knowing that they were thus to found the human race.


62:5.9 While we were all greatly concerned with what these two little savages were planning, we were powerless to control the working of their minds; we did not—could not—arbitrarily influence their decisions. But within the permissible limits of planetary function, we, the Life Carriers, together with our associates, all conspired to lead the human twins northward and far from their hairy and partially tree-dwelling people. And so, by reason of their own intelligent choice, the twins did migrate, and because of our supervision they migrated northward to a secluded region where they escaped the possibility of biologic degradation through admixture with their inferior relatives of the Primates tribes.


62:5.10 Shortly before their departure from the home forests they lost their mother in a gibbon raid. While she did not possess their intelligence, she did have a worthy mammalian affection of a high order for her offspring, and she fearlessly gave her life in the attempt to save the wonderful pair. Nor was her sacrifice in vain, for she held off the enemy until the father arrived with reinforcements and put the invaders to rout.


62:5.11 Soon after this young couple forsook their associates to found the human race, their Primates father became disconsolate—he was heartbroken. He refused to eat, even when food was brought to him by his other children. His brilliant offspring having been lost, life did not seem worth living among his ordinary fellows; so he wandered off into the forest, was set upon by hostile gibbons and beaten to death."
 

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141:4.2 In answer to Thomas's question, “Who is this God of the kingdom?” Jesus replied: “God is your Father, and religion —my gospel—is nothing more nor less than the believing recognition of the truth that you are his son. And I am here among you in the flesh to make clear both of these ideas in my life and teachings.”
 

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141:4.2 In answer to Thomas's question, “Who is this God of the kingdom?” Jesus replied: “God is your Father, and religion —my gospel—is nothing more nor less than the believing recognition of the truth that you are his son. And I am here among you in the flesh to make clear both of these ideas in my life and teachings.”
You're taking the Lord Jesus's name in vain in saying this. The believing recognition is of the central truth of the Christian faith, which is that He the Lord Jesus is risen from the dead, verses 6, 6, 6, from chapters 28, 16, and 24, in the New Testament books of Matthew, Mark, and Luke.

Mt28:6
Mk16:6
Lk24:6
 
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