The Late Great Urantia Revelation
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Why was Jesus sinless?
He didn't sin, he didn't rebel against the will of his father.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Let us consider the divine monitor.....
Let us consider the divine monitor.....
Yes,...with God all things are possible, as the light, energy, mind and will of God are allowed to unfold, express and realize their potential.
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1:6.8 God is spirit—spirit personality; man is also a spirit—potential spirit personality. Jesus of Nazareth attained the full realization of this potential of spirit personality in human experience; therefore his life of achieving the Father’s will becomes man’s most real and ideal revelation of the personality of God. Even though the personality of the Universal Father can be grasped only in actual religious experience, in Jesus’ earth life we are inspired by the perfect demonstration of such a realization and revelation of the personality of God in a truly human experience.
196:3.33 Be not discouraged; human evolution is still in progress, and the revelation of God to the world, in and through Jesus, shall not fail.
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196:3.34 The great challenge to modern man is to achieve better communication with the divine Monitor (thought-adjuster) that dwells within the human mind. Man's greatest adventure in the flesh consists in the well-balanced and sane effort to advance the borders of self- consciousness out through the dim realms of embryonic soul-consciousness in a wholehearted effort to reach the borderland of spirit-consciousness—contact with the divine presence. Such an experience constitutes God-consciousness, an experience mightily confirmative of the pre-existent truth of the religious experience of knowing God. Such spirit-consciousness is the equivalent of the knowledge of the actuality of sonship with God. Otherwise, the assurance of sonship is the experience of faith.
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For more on the 'thought-adjuster' go here
pj
Let us consider the divine monitor.....
Yes,...with God all things are possible, as the light, energy, mind and will of God are allowed to unfold, express and realize their potential.
~*~*~
1:6.8 God is spirit—spirit personality; man is also a spirit—potential spirit personality. Jesus of Nazareth attained the full realization of this potential of spirit personality in human experience; therefore his life of achieving the Father’s will becomes man’s most real and ideal revelation of the personality of God. Even though the personality of the Universal Father can be grasped only in actual religious experience, in Jesus’ earth life we are inspired by the perfect demonstration of such a realization and revelation of the personality of God in a truly human experience.
196:3.33 Be not discouraged; human evolution is still in progress, and the revelation of God to the world, in and through Jesus, shall not fail.
~*~*~
196:3.34 The great challenge to modern man is to achieve better communication with the divine Monitor (thought-adjuster) that dwells within the human mind. Man's greatest adventure in the flesh consists in the well-balanced and sane effort to advance the borders of self- consciousness out through the dim realms of embryonic soul-consciousness in a wholehearted effort to reach the borderland of spirit-consciousness—contact with the divine presence. Such an experience constitutes God-consciousness, an experience mightily confirmative of the pre-existent truth of the religious experience of knowing God. Such spirit-consciousness is the equivalent of the knowledge of the actuality of sonship with God. Otherwise, the assurance of sonship is the experience of faith.
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For more on the 'thought-adjuster' go here
pj
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
God is personal yes, but He is more.......
God is personal yes, but He is more.......
That goes for your own 'conception' of 'God' as well.
Well, this is where things get a bit "iffy", since here we are relating to God as a personality such as ourselves, equating Deity to having the same feelings as we do, making him a 'Super Human'(as it were)....this goes back to the ole 'mirror effect' of making 'God' in our own image. The UB would agree that all 'personality' and all 'personalities' originate from the Universal Father, who is the First and Original Personality, so on this level we relate to God on a 'personal' or 'personality' level. In this way certainly, we relate to God via thoughts, feelings and emotions....but God is even greater than such, and transcends our concept of personality so we cannot wholly confine God to our personal, limited, finite, mortal conception of Him, since He is much greater being INFINITE. Personality is still there of course, thru which we relate personally.
All of this on 'personality' is revelated in the very First Paper here (audio-clip), ...how many have read and meditated upon the first paper of the Book they are discrediting? 'Personality' is a very important revelation in the papers revealing God as a divine Personality, including pre-personal and super-personal aspects of God as well. The indwelling thought-adjuster is a pre-personal fragment of the Universal Father indwelling us, which fuses with us when we reach that conversion-point of becoming an immortal soul, whereby our 'personality' survives into eternity. That pre-personal fragment fuses with our soul and becomes 'personalized' when the soul becomes truly immortal (the soul and the thought-adjuster fuse forever in eternal partnership). This process is described thru-out the papers,...this is just a foretaste.
Lets re-think that. Jehovah certainly claimed to be a 'jealous god', assuming his possessive love for his people really impassioned him, and in this sense of 'love', he is jealous for us when we go after other gods to worship them, but this could also be a subtle sign of a more negative capricious selfish side to yhwh, where his wrath and anger often manifested, to strike fear/terror into the people IF they did not love him according to his 'terms'. So its a mixed bag here, as 'jealousy' can often be somewhat petty, one of those more depressing lower vibration emotions we humans can feel when our hearts and egos are betrayed hurting us deeply. Jealousy can have a wicked twisted side to it. We can assume God could feel all these things as we feel them, but God is also beyond such feelings as we humans define and interpret such, so thinking and relating to God this way is 'limited'. Not denying the 'personal' aspect of relating here, but there are dimensions of reality that are non-personal as well.
pj
God is personal yes, but He is more.......
That goes for your own 'conception' of 'God' as well.
Well, this is where things get a bit "iffy", since here we are relating to God as a personality such as ourselves, equating Deity to having the same feelings as we do, making him a 'Super Human'(as it were)....this goes back to the ole 'mirror effect' of making 'God' in our own image. The UB would agree that all 'personality' and all 'personalities' originate from the Universal Father, who is the First and Original Personality, so on this level we relate to God on a 'personal' or 'personality' level. In this way certainly, we relate to God via thoughts, feelings and emotions....but God is even greater than such, and transcends our concept of personality so we cannot wholly confine God to our personal, limited, finite, mortal conception of Him, since He is much greater being INFINITE. Personality is still there of course, thru which we relate personally.
All of this on 'personality' is revelated in the very First Paper here (audio-clip), ...how many have read and meditated upon the first paper of the Book they are discrediting? 'Personality' is a very important revelation in the papers revealing God as a divine Personality, including pre-personal and super-personal aspects of God as well. The indwelling thought-adjuster is a pre-personal fragment of the Universal Father indwelling us, which fuses with us when we reach that conversion-point of becoming an immortal soul, whereby our 'personality' survives into eternity. That pre-personal fragment fuses with our soul and becomes 'personalized' when the soul becomes truly immortal (the soul and the thought-adjuster fuse forever in eternal partnership). This process is described thru-out the papers,...this is just a foretaste.
Lets re-think that. Jehovah certainly claimed to be a 'jealous god', assuming his possessive love for his people really impassioned him, and in this sense of 'love', he is jealous for us when we go after other gods to worship them, but this could also be a subtle sign of a more negative capricious selfish side to yhwh, where his wrath and anger often manifested, to strike fear/terror into the people IF they did not love him according to his 'terms'. So its a mixed bag here, as 'jealousy' can often be somewhat petty, one of those more depressing lower vibration emotions we humans can feel when our hearts and egos are betrayed hurting us deeply. Jealousy can have a wicked twisted side to it. We can assume God could feel all these things as we feel them, but God is also beyond such feelings as we humans define and interpret such, so thinking and relating to God this way is 'limited'. Not denying the 'personal' aspect of relating here, but there are dimensions of reality that are non-personal as well.
pj
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Why is a virgin birth necessary?
Why is a virgin birth necessary?
It can be debated either way, even if the term 'almah' allowed a flexibility of the 'maiden' or 'young woman' being a virgin or not a virgin, yet I find more against the 'virgin birth' assumption in many ways, especially on mythological and philosophical grounds.
I address this here. (follow all links, important...consider all the data)
Again, I don't see why 'God' cannot bring forth a miraculous incarnation of a divine Son thru natural human means, and there still be a 'divine mystery' involved somehow. My own gnostic-mystical sentiments allow that much We spiritualists can romance the stone as well, enjoying 'God' as both 'knowable' and 'unknowable'. A mythicist can even take things further
No matter what religious book you use or venerate,...its all being subjectively interpreted in one's own mind. It cannot be any other way, no matter however 'inspired' you assume your religious thinking is
Furthermore, a 'virgin birth' doesn't necessarily prove Jesus divinity anyways. Its an unnecessary prop. Its only 'necessary' or 'assumed' according to a particular belief system. I'm just pointing it out. Its also not a 'requirement' for salvation that can be proved from scripture.
pj
Why is a virgin birth necessary?
It can be debated either way, even if the term 'almah' allowed a flexibility of the 'maiden' or 'young woman' being a virgin or not a virgin, yet I find more against the 'virgin birth' assumption in many ways, especially on mythological and philosophical grounds.
I address this here. (follow all links, important...consider all the data)
Again, I don't see why 'God' cannot bring forth a miraculous incarnation of a divine Son thru natural human means, and there still be a 'divine mystery' involved somehow. My own gnostic-mystical sentiments allow that much
We spiritualists can romance the stone as well, enjoying 'God' as both 'knowable' and 'unknowable'. A mythicist can even take things further No matter what religious book you use or venerate,...its all being subjectively interpreted in one's own mind. It cannot be any other way, no matter however 'inspired' you assume your religious thinking is
Furthermore, a 'virgin birth' doesn't necessarily prove Jesus divinity anyways. Its an unnecessary prop. Its only 'necessary' or 'assumed' according to a particular belief system. I'm just pointing it out. Its also not a 'requirement' for salvation that can be proved from scripture.
pj
Caino, Freelight, and Zeke ought to take an extended trip to another
galaxy with their 'little green men friends' and spend some quality
time together.
they should eat a little brekfis and get to Church !
That would be ideal for these characters!
I prefer small group study rather than listening to a preacher shame the congregation.
The Violate race
UB 1934, printed 1955
(850.7) 76:4.1 "Adam and Eve were the founders of the violet race of men, the ninth human race to appear on Urantia. Adam and his offspring had blue eyes, and the violet peoples were characterized by fair complexions and light hair color — yellow, red, and brown."
(828.1) 74:0.1 "ADAM AND EVE arrived on Urantia, from the year A.D. 1934, 37,848 years ago. It was in midseason when the Garden was in the height of bloom that they arrived. At high noon and unannounced, the two seraphic transports, accompanied by the Jerusem personnel intrusted with the transportation of the biologic uplifters to Urantia, settled slowly to the surface of the revolving planet in the vicinity of the temple of the Universal Father. All the work of rematerializing the bodies of Adam and Eve was carried on within the precincts of this newly created shrine. And from the time of their arrival ten days passed before they were re-created in dual human form for presentation as the world’s new rulers. They regained consciousness simultaneously. The Material Sons and Daughters always serve together. It is the essence of their service at all times and in all places never to be separated. They are designed to work in pairs; seldom do they function alone."
(834.4) 74:6.2 "Adamson was the first-born of the violet race of Urantia, being followed by his sister and Eveson, the second son of Adam and Eve. Eve was the mother of five children before the Melchizedeks left — three sons and two daughters. The next two were twins. She bore sixty-three children, thirty-two daughters and thirty-one sons, before the default. When Adam and Eve left the Garden, their family consisted of four generations numbering 1,647 pure-line descendants. They had forty-two children after leaving the Garden besides the two offspring of joint parentage with the mortal stock of earth. And this does not include the Adamic parentage to the Nodite and evolutionary races."
(851.6) 76:4.8 After becoming established in the second garden on the Euphrates, Adam elected to leave behind as much of his life plasm as possible to benefit the world after his death. Accordingly, Eve was made the head of a commission of twelve on race improvement, and before Adam died this commission had selected 1,682 of the highest type of women on Urantia, and these women were impregnated with the Adamic life plasm. Their children all grew up to maturity except 112, so that the world, in this way, was benefited by the addition of 1,570 superior men and women. Though these candidate mothers were selected from all the surrounding tribes and represented most of the races on earth, the majority were chosen from the highest strains of the Nodites, and they constituted the early beginnings of the mighty Andite race. These children were born and reared in the tribal surroundings of their respective mothers."
2002:
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/309/5741/1717.abstract
ABSTRACT
"The gene Microcephalin (MCPH1) regulates brain size and has evolved under strong positive selection in the human evolutionary lineage. We show that one genetic variant of Microcephalin in modern humans, which arose ∼37,000 years ago, increased in frequency too rapidly to be compatible with neutral drift. This indicates that it has spread under strong positive selection, although the exact nature of the selection is unknown. The finding that an important brain gene has continued to evolve adaptively in anatomically modern humans suggests the ongoing evolutionary plasticity of the human brain. It also makes Microcephalin an attractive candidate locus for studying the genetics of human variation in brain-related phenotypes."
UB 1934, printed 1955
(850.7) 76:4.1 "Adam and Eve were the founders of the violet race of men, the ninth human race to appear on Urantia. Adam and his offspring had blue eyes, and the violet peoples were characterized by fair complexions and light hair color — yellow, red, and brown."
(828.1) 74:0.1 "ADAM AND EVE arrived on Urantia, from the year A.D. 1934, 37,848 years ago. It was in midseason when the Garden was in the height of bloom that they arrived. At high noon and unannounced, the two seraphic transports, accompanied by the Jerusem personnel intrusted with the transportation of the biologic uplifters to Urantia, settled slowly to the surface of the revolving planet in the vicinity of the temple of the Universal Father. All the work of rematerializing the bodies of Adam and Eve was carried on within the precincts of this newly created shrine. And from the time of their arrival ten days passed before they were re-created in dual human form for presentation as the world’s new rulers. They regained consciousness simultaneously. The Material Sons and Daughters always serve together. It is the essence of their service at all times and in all places never to be separated. They are designed to work in pairs; seldom do they function alone."
(834.4) 74:6.2 "Adamson was the first-born of the violet race of Urantia, being followed by his sister and Eveson, the second son of Adam and Eve. Eve was the mother of five children before the Melchizedeks left — three sons and two daughters. The next two were twins. She bore sixty-three children, thirty-two daughters and thirty-one sons, before the default. When Adam and Eve left the Garden, their family consisted of four generations numbering 1,647 pure-line descendants. They had forty-two children after leaving the Garden besides the two offspring of joint parentage with the mortal stock of earth. And this does not include the Adamic parentage to the Nodite and evolutionary races."
(851.6) 76:4.8 After becoming established in the second garden on the Euphrates, Adam elected to leave behind as much of his life plasm as possible to benefit the world after his death. Accordingly, Eve was made the head of a commission of twelve on race improvement, and before Adam died this commission had selected 1,682 of the highest type of women on Urantia, and these women were impregnated with the Adamic life plasm. Their children all grew up to maturity except 112, so that the world, in this way, was benefited by the addition of 1,570 superior men and women. Though these candidate mothers were selected from all the surrounding tribes and represented most of the races on earth, the majority were chosen from the highest strains of the Nodites, and they constituted the early beginnings of the mighty Andite race. These children were born and reared in the tribal surroundings of their respective mothers."
2002:
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/309/5741/1717.abstract
ABSTRACT
"The gene Microcephalin (MCPH1) regulates brain size and has evolved under strong positive selection in the human evolutionary lineage. We show that one genetic variant of Microcephalin in modern humans, which arose ∼37,000 years ago, increased in frequency too rapidly to be compatible with neutral drift. This indicates that it has spread under strong positive selection, although the exact nature of the selection is unknown. The finding that an important brain gene has continued to evolve adaptively in anatomically modern humans suggests the ongoing evolutionary plasticity of the human brain. It also makes Microcephalin an attractive candidate locus for studying the genetics of human variation in brain-related phenotypes."
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Eugenics.......
Eugenics.......
The field of Eugenics is most interesting particularly how it relates to the moral, spiritual progress of mankind, if our biological upliftment or perfecting has anything to do with our total health and evolution on both material and spiritual levels. Some critics point to an interest in eugenics being among the Forum members so that this in some way brought such ideas/concepts into the papers, or that eugenics could be used wrongly towards segregation or racism. If anything the papers speak of race in regard to the evolutional progress of man, in the most positive way, charting his progress as a species, all according to the laws of nature and Spirit regarding his ascension. How much of a biological upgrade do you think humanity will experience in the era of Light and Life, when our planet reaches that stage? Its interesting how much we will have evolved if any on a material, physiological level.
Eugenics, Race and the Urantia Book
pj
Eugenics.......
The field of Eugenics is most interesting particularly how it relates to the moral, spiritual progress of mankind, if our biological upliftment or perfecting has anything to do with our total health and evolution on both material and spiritual levels. Some critics point to an interest in eugenics being among the Forum members so that this in some way brought such ideas/concepts into the papers, or that eugenics could be used wrongly towards segregation or racism. If anything the papers speak of race in regard to the evolutional progress of man, in the most positive way, charting his progress as a species, all according to the laws of nature and Spirit regarding his ascension. How much of a biological upgrade do you think humanity will experience in the era of Light and Life, when our planet reaches that stage? Its interesting how much we will have evolved if any on a material, physiological level.
Eugenics, Race and the Urantia Book
pj
Aimiel
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No... He allows Himself to feel. He is not without feelings. He is jealous and He has wrath. Those are feelings. So is love.
Aimiel
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:rotfl:
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
A sad ole troll.......
A sad ole troll.......
GM, the thread troll (among others) has been properly educated on the issue of UFO's and little green men, which have NOTHING to do with the UB. Such idiocy discredits his intelligence. It proves he values the ego-thrill of ridicule over intellectual honesty. That's just sad.
See here.
pj
A sad ole troll.......
GM, the thread troll (among others) has been properly educated on the issue of UFO's and little green men, which have NOTHING to do with the UB. Such idiocy discredits his intelligence. It proves he values the ego-thrill of ridicule over intellectual honesty. That's just sad.
See here.
pj
Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results? Jesus made it a practice not to cast pearls before the religious swine so I figure the same thing still applies. They aren't reachable, they really do think they are right, theirs is a legalistic religion of technicalities. The trolls can be likened to the spies that the Pharisees sent in, while some did come to believe in Jesus, most just became more and more angry. Today the Israelites still use the technicalities of their own priestly writings to reject Jesus.
"When no more questions were forthcoming, and as the noon hour was near, Jesus did not resume his teaching but was content merely to ask the Pharisees and their associates a question. Said Jesus: “Since you ask no more questions, I would like to ask you one. What do you think of the Deliverer? That is, whose son is he?” .” After a brief pause one of the scribes answered, “The Messiah is the son of David." And since Jesus knew that there had been much debate, even among his own disciples, as to whether or not he was the son of David, he asked this further question: “If the Deliverer is indeed the son of David, how is it that, in the Psalm which you accredit to David, he himself, speaking in the spirit, says, ‘The Lord said to my lord, sit on my right hand until I make your enemies the footstool of your feet.’ If David calls him Lord, how then can he be his son?” Although the rulers, the scribes, and the chief priests made no reply to this question, they likewise refrained from asking him any more questions in an effort to entangle him. They never answered this question which Jesus put to them, but after the Master’s death they attempted to escape the difficulty by changing the interpretation of this Psalm so as to make it refer to Abraham instead of the Messiah. Others sought to escape the dilemma by disallowing that David was the author of this so-called Messianic Psalm.
A short time back the Pharisees had enjoyed the manner in which the Sadducees had been silenced by the Master; now the Sadducees were delighted by the failure of the Pharisees; but such rivalry was only momentary; they speedily forgot their time-honored differences in the united effort to stop Jesus’ teachings and doings. But throughout all of these experiences the common people heard him gladly." UB 1955
It's simple. God passes over the unbelievers and leaves them in the original state they were born with. They love evil and evil makes them feel good. They run around terrorizing people due to thier harden hearts and sin.
The Sermon at Gerasa
"As Jesus and the twelve visited with the messengers of the kingdom at Gerasa, one of the Pharisees who believed in him asked this question: “Lord, will there be few or many really saved?” And Jesus, answering, said:
“You have been taught that only the children of Abraham will be saved; that only the gentiles of adoption can hope for salvation. Some of you have reasoned that, since the Scriptures record that only Caleb and Joshua from among all the hosts that went out of Egypt lived to enter the promised land, only a comparatively few of those who seek the kingdom of heaven shall find entrance thereto.
“You also have another saying among you, and one that contains much truth: That the way which leads to eternal life is straight and narrow, that the door which leads thereto is likewise narrow so that, of those who seek salvation, few can find entrance through this door. You also have a teaching that the way which leads to destruction is broad, that the entrance thereto is wide, and that there are many who choose to go this way. And this proverb is not without its meaning. But I declare that salvation is first a matter of your personal choosing. Even if the door to the way of life is narrow, it is wide enough to admit all who sincerely seek to enter, for I am that door. And the Son will never refuse entrance to any child of the universe who, by faith, seeks to find the Father through the Son."
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