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The Late Great Urantia Revelation
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I saved already, God is a wonderful God.
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
So you come up with another double standard?
They are not allowed to speak things men do not already know.
But then say we can cheat and do it anyway. :wazzup:
Anyone with 1/2 a brain can tell this is written by men trying to cover their tracks.
So now, how bout this great revelation that can lie and tell the truth at the same time?
Namely glaciers chasin' chicks quickly into my bed. :kookoo:
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1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
I dont recall hearing him say those who worship another god are saved.
Sandycane
Member
Am I missing something???
You posted this (my Bold) after saying, "Happy Birthday Jesus":
Doesn't "B.C." mean BEFORE CHRIST?
Are you saying your Jesus was born seven years before the Christian Jesus?
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
Welcome to the thread Sandycane, nice to see you.
I smell a sock puppet, Freelight shoulda washed it first. :chuckle:
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
The Great adventure.........
The Great adventure.........
Hello Sandycane,
Welcome to the forum and this thread
Not sure how far back you've read,...but we've covered lots. See my previous post on 'relative truth' here.
Truth is a wonderful subject, and if we define 'truth' as 'reality', then we can observe or assume that universal 'reality' is an omnipresent, all-encompassing 'truth' that originates, inheres within and encompasses all that exists (even all that is beyond any conception of 'existence', a prior reality originating all that appears to even perceive or know). Reality is what is.Truth itself is inherent to Existence itself, and is therefore 'universal' in nature', since that universal ground or 'source' is that from which everything springs which includes all 'potentials' and 'actuals', in all dimensions of space-time. So, ontologically we can look at it from a non-dualistic context, and see the reality of existence itself being universal, whether you define or label the inherent reality at the heart of existence as 'God', 'Nature', 'Spirit', 'Soul', 'Infinite Intelligence', etc. (personalized or impersonalized).
What 'resonates' with one on an inner-most soul level, might ring 'true' because of the very fact that it is a 'universal' truth, ideal, concept or principle,....a living truth in one's own experience of life. As far as the mind translates or interprets that, it will be 'relative' and 'conditioned' by the lens of perception and its capacity at any moment.
Not necessarily, since we're dealing with intellectual/spiritual concepts, meanings, values, ideals and what proves itself to be true in our experience, as these truth-principles relate to everything else in the universe, so that 'truth' is something at the 'heart' or 'soul' of things, not always subject to the passing trends, personal choices or 'fashion-plates' we would don on a mere whim, or just to look or feel good.
What 'resonates' would be something of 'truth' itself or the spirit-presence of 'God' himself in us (the papers call this our 'though-adjuster'), recognizing and reflecting a reality that we become cognizant of, or have an inner knowing of thru direct experience. All other intellectual correlations and allegories thru which we might relate to the greater universal truths, would be more or less relative to our limitations of perception, but since an actual spirit-fragment of God himself indwells our mind, we have that interior awareness of reality ever at heart, which alone is the true foundation and identity of our own reality (our 'being').
This analogy only goes so far, but does pertain on some levels, but the truth that is universal remains what it is, no matter what clothes (or particulars) you put on - its what is at the heart or essence of one's being. One may only have a limited 'closet' or 'library' of intellectual/religious knowledge (or of any science)....but one can always learn more, expanding his knowledge, along the course of life. In fact, this is what life, creation, intelligence is about....expanding itself, unfolding its potentials/possibilities.
In a sense, yes....since we are all at different stages of experience, reflecting on inner and outer levels, commensurate with our circumstance. What is subject to change however, is ever open to the flux of evolutional adjustments, expansions of intellect and spiritual insight, as one progresses along, being open to 'progressive revelation'.
From a human perspective to satisfy ones inner soul longings or curiosity for truth, relatively speaking....one may choose from a variety of options, but if a universal truth or 'God' (the source of all that is) exists....one will gradually/ultimately be gravitating towards that One Reality if they are honestly seeking truth, beauty, goodness, wisdom, eternal values and principles, a divine intelligence at the heart of creation, guiding, orchestrating it along. After all, reality is reality.....its present now, in every moment,....it is what is.
The Urantia Papers provide a conceptual frame-work or 'cosmology' in which to relate to things, including the total context of God, His creation, the different orders of intelligent beings/personalities, God's relationship to individuals, the universe, the life and ministry of Jesus, the soul's immortality potential and endless possibilities that await them who choose survival by choosing God's will, which is the will of Life itself. In the context of infinity, there is no end to life's adventures or potentials of creation. The papers explore this, even if you want to read it as religious science-fiction or an interesting philosophical perspective, you can keep an open mind to explore the concepts for what they are worth, and how they relate in the greater context of the terms and explanations being shared. Consider it an adventure Your own inner guidance, conscience and imagination can maximize your endeavor, if you so choose to embark on the journey.
pj
The Great adventure.........
Hello Sandycane,
Welcome to the forum and this thread
Not sure how far back you've read,...but we've covered lots. See my previous post on 'relative truth' here.
Truth is a wonderful subject, and if we define 'truth' as 'reality', then we can observe or assume that universal 'reality' is an omnipresent, all-encompassing 'truth' that originates, inheres within and encompasses all that exists (even all that is beyond any conception of 'existence', a prior reality originating all that appears to even perceive or know). Reality is what is.Truth itself is inherent to Existence itself, and is therefore 'universal' in nature', since that universal ground or 'source' is that from which everything springs which includes all 'potentials' and 'actuals', in all dimensions of space-time. So, ontologically we can look at it from a non-dualistic context, and see the reality of existence itself being universal, whether you define or label the inherent reality at the heart of existence as 'God', 'Nature', 'Spirit', 'Soul', 'Infinite Intelligence', etc. (personalized or impersonalized).
What 'resonates' with one on an inner-most soul level, might ring 'true' because of the very fact that it is a 'universal' truth, ideal, concept or principle,....a living truth in one's own experience of life. As far as the mind translates or interprets that, it will be 'relative' and 'conditioned' by the lens of perception and its capacity at any moment.
Not necessarily, since we're dealing with intellectual/spiritual concepts, meanings, values, ideals and what proves itself to be true in our experience, as these truth-principles relate to everything else in the universe, so that 'truth' is something at the 'heart' or 'soul' of things, not always subject to the passing trends, personal choices or 'fashion-plates' we would don on a mere whim, or just to look or feel good.
What 'resonates' would be something of 'truth' itself or the spirit-presence of 'God' himself in us (the papers call this our 'though-adjuster'), recognizing and reflecting a reality that we become cognizant of, or have an inner knowing of thru direct experience. All other intellectual correlations and allegories thru which we might relate to the greater universal truths, would be more or less relative to our limitations of perception, but since an actual spirit-fragment of God himself indwells our mind, we have that interior awareness of reality ever at heart, which alone is the true foundation and identity of our own reality (our 'being').
This analogy only goes so far, but does pertain on some levels, but the truth that is universal remains what it is, no matter what clothes (or particulars) you put on
- its what is at the heart or essence of one's being. One may only have a limited 'closet' or 'library' of intellectual/religious knowledge (or of any science)....but one can always learn more, expanding his knowledge, along the course of life. In fact, this is what life, creation, intelligence is about....expanding itself, unfolding its potentials/possibilities.In a sense, yes....since we are all at different stages of experience, reflecting on inner and outer levels, commensurate with our circumstance. What is subject to change however, is ever open to the flux of evolutional adjustments, expansions of intellect and spiritual insight, as one progresses along, being open to 'progressive revelation'.
From a human perspective to satisfy ones inner soul longings or curiosity for truth, relatively speaking....one may choose from a variety of options, but if a universal truth or 'God' (the source of all that is) exists....one will gradually/ultimately be gravitating towards that One Reality if they are honestly seeking truth, beauty, goodness, wisdom, eternal values and principles, a divine intelligence at the heart of creation, guiding, orchestrating it along. After all, reality is reality.....its present now, in every moment,....it is what is.
The Urantia Papers provide a conceptual frame-work or 'cosmology' in which to relate to things, including the total context of God, His creation, the different orders of intelligent beings/personalities, God's relationship to individuals, the universe, the life and ministry of Jesus, the soul's immortality potential and endless possibilities that await them who choose survival by choosing God's will, which is the will of Life itself. In the context of infinity, there is no end to life's adventures or potentials of creation. The papers explore this, even if you want to read it as religious science-fiction or an interesting philosophical perspective, you can keep an open mind to explore the concepts for what they are worth, and how they relate in the greater context of the terms and explanations being shared. Consider it an adventure
Your own inner guidance, conscience and imagination can maximize your endeavor, if you so choose to embark on the journey.pj
PneumaPsucheSoma
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BC and AD are before/after demarcations of a calendar system that don't define the actual date of Christ's birth or death by any belief system.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Divine guidance.....
Divine guidance.....
All true soul longings, prayers and callings to 'God' are heard and answered, regardless of the belief-system held, while those belief-systems may be upgraded, changed or modified as one is led by divine guidance.
pj
Divine guidance.....
All true soul longings, prayers and callings to 'God' are heard and answered, regardless of the belief-system held, while those belief-systems may be upgraded, changed or modified as one is led by divine guidance.
pj
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
Only to those who dont have 1/2 a brain.
Such as I have already shown you to be, as you cannot retain as much as a 4th grader.
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
O unlearned student of men, read and weep.
1 Peter 3:12 KJV
For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
Righteousness is imputed to those who believe God.
Romans 4:22 KJV
And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Not just to Abraham........
Romans 4:24 KJV
But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed ,
"if we believe on him" that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
I agree that Jesus is our brother because He said so. But I don't agree that Jesus is God.
I am surprised that you are making Jesus' simple word so complicated like the rest of the trinity believers.
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
Freelight needs to learn to quit bringin' darts to a sword fight.
:jawdrop:
:jawdrop:
You don't seem to recall a lot of things in the bible.
Luke 9:50
…49John answered and said, "Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name; and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow along with us." 50But Jesus said to him, "Do not hinder him; for he who is not against you is for you."
2.8 (Jesus was almost thirty-one and one-half years old when he was baptized. While Luke says that Jesus was baptized in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, which would be A.D. 29 since Augustus died in A.D. 14, it should be recalled that Tiberius was coemperor with Augustus for two and one-half years before the death of Augustus, having had coins struck in his honor in October, A.D. 11. The fifteenth year of his actual rule was, therefore, this very year of A.D. 26, that of Jesus’ baptism. And this was also the year that Pontius Pilate began his rule as governor of Judea.)
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
Hello Sandycane,
Welcome to the forum and this thread
Not sure how far back you've read,...but we've covered lots. See my previous post on 'relative truth' here.
Truth is a wonderful subject, and if we define 'truth' as 'reality', then we can observe or assume that universal 'reality' is an omnipresent, all-encompassing 'truth' that originates, inheres within and encompasses all that exists (even all that is beyond any conception of 'existence', a prior reality originating all that appears to even perceive or know). Reality is what is.Truth itself is inherent to Existence itself, and is therefore 'universal' in nature', since that universal ground or 'source' is that from which everything springs which includes all 'potentials' and 'actuals', in all dimensions of space-time. So, ontologically we can look at it from a non-dualistic context, and see the reality of existence itself being universal, whether you define or label the inherent reality at the heart of existence as 'God', 'Nature', 'Spirit', 'Soul', 'Infinite Intelligence', etc. (personalized or impersonalized).
What 'resonates' with one on an inner-most soul level, might ring 'true' because of the very fact that it is a 'universal' truth, ideal, concept or principle,....a living truth in one's own experience of life. As far as the mind translates or interprets that, it will be 'relative' and 'conditioned' by the lens of perception and its capacity at any moment.
Not necessarily, since we're dealing with intellectual/spiritual concepts, meanings, values, ideals and what proves itself to be true in our experience, as these truth-principles relate to everything else in the universe, so that 'truth' is something at the 'heart' or 'soul' of things, not always subject to the passing trends, personal choices or 'fashion-plates' we would don on a mere whim, or just to look or feel good.
What 'resonates' would be something of 'truth' itself or the spirit-presence of 'God' himself in us (the papers call this our 'though-adjuster'), recognizing and reflecting a reality that we become cognizant of, or have an inner knowing of thru direct experience. All other intellectual correlations and allegories thru which we might relate to the greater universal truths, would be more or less relative to our limitations of perception, but since an actual spirit-fragment of God himself indwells our mind, we have that interior awareness of reality ever at heart, which alone is the true foundation and identity of our own reality (our 'being').
This analogy only goes so far, but does pertain on some levels, but the truth that is universal remains what it is, no matter what clothes (or particulars) you put on
In a sense, yes....since we are all at different stages of experience, reflecting on inner and outer levels, commensurate with our circumstance. What is subject to change however, is ever open to the flux of evolutional adjustments, expansions of intellect and spiritual insight, as one progresses along, being open to 'progressive revelation'.
From a human perspective to satisfy ones inner soul longings or curiosity for truth, relatively speaking....one may choose from a variety of options, but if a universal truth or 'God' (the source of all that is) exists....one will gradually/ultimately be gravitating towards that One Reality if they are honestly seeking truth, beauty, goodness, wisdom, eternal values and principles, a divine intelligence at the heart of creation, guiding, orchestrating it along. After all, reality is reality.....its present now, in every moment,....it is what is.
The Urantia Papers provide a conceptual frame-work or 'cosmology' in which to relate to things, including the total context of God, His creation, the different orders of intelligent beings/personalities, God's relationship to individuals, the universe, the life and ministry of Jesus, the soul's immortality potential and endless possibilities that await them who choose survival by choosing God's will, which is the will of Life itself. In the context of infinity, there is no end to life's adventures or potentials of creation. The papers explore this, even if you want to read it as religious science-fiction or an interesting philosophical perspective, you can keep an open mind to explore the concepts for what they are worth, and how they relate in the greater context of the terms and explanations being shared. Consider it an adventure
pj
Enjoying talkin' to yerself?
jeremysdemo
New member
AW, but he did say, His sheep hear His voice,
how we will know his sheep (not by any mantra or religious dogma btw)
Have you looked at any of these to see if they have what Jesus said they would to know if they are his? :think:
or are you using your own criteria outside of what Jesus said?
I'd be interested in your answers.
jeremysdemo
New member
nothing wrong with having half a brain, in fact it's probably best for most people if they have two of them. :wave:
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
What miracle have the urantia writers or you manifested?
Mark 9 38 39
38 And John answered him, saying , Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
39 But Jesus said , Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
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freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
the truth......
the truth......
My commentary stands on its own, based in the actual contextual knowledge and insights of the subject at hand, unlike your meanderings, whose purpose here it to 'troll' the thread, marginalize the subject and spit out ad hominems. For those actually interested in the papers, they have a few good expounders here on some of its key concepts, which is what this thread is actually about. No ad hominems needed to shoot your way, since one's ignorance or knowledge of the material will be seen eventually by those who do the research :thumb: I think you're 'expertise' is the former is rather obvious.
pj
the truth......
My commentary stands on its own, based in the actual contextual knowledge and insights of the subject at hand, unlike your meanderings, whose purpose here it to 'troll' the thread, marginalize the subject and spit out ad hominems. For those actually interested in the papers, they have a few good expounders here on some of its key concepts, which is what this thread is actually about. No ad hominems needed to shoot your way, since one's ignorance or knowledge of the material will be seen eventually by those who do the research
:thumb: I think you're 'expertise' is the former is rather obvious.pj
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