The Late Great Urantia Revelation

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journey said:
I don't think they can give it away.
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Jesus himself was confronted with the same problem, OT Judaism didn't accept his free message and they largely reject it today. Frankly, the western world only adopted the Paganized version of the gospel and today many Christians are more like members of a social club.

So we don't take your narrow minded rejection of the gift personally, it's not our kingdom. Besides, the way the internet works the hecklers are just pawns in google positioning.


(1592.6) 141:6.4 That night Jesus discoursed to the apostles on the new life in the kingdom. He said in part: “When you enter the kingdom, you are reborn. You cannot teach the deep things of the spirit to those who have been born only of the flesh; first see that men are born of the spirit before you seek to instruct them in the advanced ways of the spirit. Do not undertake to show men the beauties of the temple until you have first taken them into the temple. Introduce men to God and as the sons of God before you discourse on the doctrines of the fatherhood of God and the sonship of men. Do not strive with men — always be patient. It is not your kingdom; you are only ambassadors. Simply go forth proclaiming: This is the kingdom of heaven — God is your Father and you are his sons, and this good news, if you wholeheartedly believe it, is your eternal salvation.”
 
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Caino said:
Jesus himself was confronted with the same problem, OT Judaism didn't accept his free message and they largely reject it today. Frankly, the western world only adopted the Paganized version of the gospel and today many Christians are more like members of a social club.

So we don't take your narrow minded rejection of the gift personally, it's not our kingdom. Besides, the way the internet works the hecklers are just pawns in google positioning.


(1592.6) 141:6.4 That night Jesus discoursed to the apostles on the new life in the kingdom. He said in part: “When you enter the kingdom, you are reborn. You cannot teach the deep things of the spirit to those who have been born only of the flesh; first see that men are born of the spirit before you seek to instruct them in the advanced ways of the spirit. Do not undertake to show men the beauties of the temple until you have first taken them into the temple. Introduce men to God and as the sons of God before you discourse on the doctrines of the fatherhood of God and the sonship of men. Do not strive with men — always be patient. It is not your kingdom; you are only ambassadors. Simply go forth proclaiming: This is the kingdom of heaven — God is your Father and you are his sons, and this good news, if you wholeheartedly believe it, is your eternal salvation.”
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The portion in red, has no validity! Thought I'd be the one to
break it to you, gently!
 
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freelight said:
You cant judge something you haven't read and honestly considered, - a reading of at least the first 12 papers is essential to laying down a fundamental cosmology of the nature of God, existence, creation and the plan of eternal progression and immortality for evolutionary mortals. You cant properly evaluate or judge a collection of papers without knowing/understanding/intuiting the 'heart' of it, its terms, meanings, purpose, vision and greater cosmic context as it directly relates to human experience, in every field of knowledge. - its more important details are where it confirms, yet enhances/expands the parameters of the biblical record, taking our minds to the precipice of cosmic consciousness, to see more of the great universal plan and eternal destiny born in the heart of 'God'. Such appreciation can only be had by a mind receptive to the higher leadings of the Spirit, the 'divine adjuster' that indwells the soul.

Honest criticisms of the UB have been treated here (and thru-out the entire thread). If the Urantia papers are truly inspired and illumined transmissions enhancing man's understanding and knowledge of his existence and the potentials/purpose of that existence relative to creation and eternity, then the content ought to speak for itself to those who read it, by the inner witness of the spirit, edifying the soul, nourishing the spirit, empowering one to do God's will, and uphold only the highest values and ideals,...which is what the papers do.

It is a prefigured, pre-concluded mind-set, that is not open to new truths, insights or revelation, since that kind of 'mind' already assumes it knows. Such a 'mentality' retards spiritual progress and enlightenment. All things ought to be honestly examined, as the living truth is ever alive and present as the primal light ever shining behind consciousness, the 'witness' who can 'see' what has 'absolute' or 'relative' value,...discerning between what is real and what is not. Conceptual frames and language are but steps, pointers, directive symbols, figures, descriptions....so we have to use 'language'. - to understand any book or value system, we have to 'learn' the 'language'.



Yes, much could be said about what the Jews borrowed from neighboring cults and the peoples that ruled over them in their various captivities, whether those be mythologies, occult teachings, religious ideas, beliefs, etc. Ironically for Christians,....their 'Bible' includes the OT with their compartmentalized collection of books added to form a '2nd part', so its a synthesis of 2 traditions or cults stemming from a primary root-source, with various foreign branches grafted in.

There is one Universal Tree of Life, the Infinite Spirit itself, the Universal Father and Mother of all beings, the Originator and Sustainer of all that is and ever will be. That Infinite I AM is the center and nucleus of all creation,....that and that Alone is the One primal reality. - the UB and other religious writings offer conceptual frames in which to perceive, intuit and relate to, the spirit of life in all its relationships, assocations and inter-actions. This is what creation is (movement, space-time relativity, sharing information, evolution, experiencing all potentials of consciousness). Life, God, Truth, Reality, Spirit, Consciousness, Light....is what IS. - all 'else' is a play of consciousness relating to the whole and its various parts,...this is all that is going on....moment to moment.

Nothing but a closed mind, dogmatic assumption of 'orthodoxy', idolized exaltation of one's own 'belief-system' or 'theology' (or worship of a particular book) as the only right one, to the ridicule and exclusion of all others, is the epitome of narcissism, the negative and self-absorbing side of a 'cult' mentality.



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Well said Freelight, you represent the truth for those who truly seek it.
 
Caino

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Grosnick Marowbe said:
The portion in red, has no validity! Thought I'd be the one to
break it to you, gently!
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The spirit of truth bears witness to itself, those trapped in the religions of contrived authority are self limiting. The Jews who rejected Jesus denied the appeal of the truth to their hearts because they were moral cowards, but even at times, when they sent out spies to gather incriminating evidence against Jesus to use in their kangaroo courts, the spies would get converted and come back to bear witness to the truth. :rotfl:
 
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Caino said:
Not cover to cover in one reading, but I have studied it in depth. I was frankly shocked at how ridiculous the stories are and how poorly God is portrayed in the OT. I felt sorry for how people are forced to believe such obvious nonsense, far beyond a comic book, more of a comic tragedy.


"My Father does not require of you as the price of entering the kingdom of heaven that you should force yourself to subscribe to a belief in things which are spiritually repugnant, unholy, and untruthful. It is not required of you that your own sense of mercy, justice, and truth should be outraged by submission to an outworn system of religious forms and ceremonies. The religion of the spirit leaves you forever free to follow the truth wherever the leadings of the spirit may take you. And who can judge — perhaps this spirit may have something to impart to this generation which other generations have refused to hear?" Jesus
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By the way, what Scripture did Jesus make that statement in?
 
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Grosnick Marowbe said:
However, they are fraudulent because, they were a 'work
of fiction,' and not inspired by God!
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The bible authors didn't claim to be writing Gods Word, it's a patchwork of inconsistent theologies. Many divergent beliefs are based on the bible, all disagree with each other on what it says. If you ever read the UB your opinion would at least have some credibility.
 
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Caino said:
The bible authors didn't claim to be writing Gods Word, it's a patchwork of inconsistent theologies. Many divergent beliefs are based on the bible, all disagree with each other on what it says. If you ever read the UB your opinion would at least have some credibility.
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Well, let me get this straight! You claim the Bible is inconsistent, and
unauthorized by God! However, you seem to believe the urantia
book is perfectly "right on the money" correct?
 
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Caino said:
The bible authors didn't claim to be writing Gods Word, it's a patchwork of inconsistent theologies. Many divergent beliefs are based on the bible, all disagree with each other on what it says. If you ever read the UB your opinion would at least have some credibility.
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Actually, the precise reason he has complete credibility is because he isn't fool enough to read or believe the UB. It is demonic doctrine, clearly. The main thing that demons attempt to nullify is The Word of God and The Blood of The Lamb. The UB does just that.
 
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Grosnick Marowbe said:
Well, let me get this straight! You claim the Bible is inconsistent, and
unauthorized by God! However, you seem to believe the urantia
book is perfectly "right on the money" correct?
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Revelation is always time conditioned, if you read the book it would explain that to you, but you are just a quibbler like the Pharisees.
 
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Aimiel said:
Actually, the precise reason he has complete credibility is because he isn't fool enough to read or believe the UB. It is demonic doctrine, clearly. The main thing that demons attempt to nullify is The Word of God and The Blood of The Lamb. The UB does just that.
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Yep!
 
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Read with understanding, spiritual insight, desire to learn......

(1592.6) 141:6.4 That night Jesus discoursed to the apostles on the new life in the kingdom. He said in part: “When you enter the kingdom, you are reborn. You cannot teach the deep things of the spirit to those who have been born only of the flesh; first see that men are born of the spirit before you seek to instruct them in the advanced ways of the spirit. Do not undertake to show men the beauties of the temple until you have first taken them into the temple. Introduce men to God and as the sons of God before you discourse on the doctrines of the fatherhood of God and the sonship of men. Do not strive with men — always be patient. It is not your kingdom; you are only ambassadors. Simply go forth proclaiming: This is the kingdom of heaven — God is your Father and you are his sons, and this good news, if you wholeheartedly believe it, is your eternal salvation.” -Jesus, UB
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Grosnick Marowbe said:
By the way, what Scripture did Jesus make that statement in?
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Have you ever read the gospels, NT, etc.? The concept of the kingdom of God which includes the theme of the 'Fatherhood of God and brotherhood of Man', is it not in the Bible? Is it not taught there that we must be born of the spirit to understand the things of the spirit (the kingdom)? Does the Bible not teach that we are the children of God, and that God is Our Father? How did Jesus teach us to pray? (see the Lord's prayer). These are plain truths taught in the scriptures....and further confirmed and expanded on in the papers.

If you actually spent the time seeing what Jesus is recorded to have taught in the papers, and see how it is philosophically and spiritually consistent with what the gospels teach (with further clarifications), you wouldn't ask misguided questions like the above, neither would you assume that another record must quote the exact verbatim text as whats in the NT, to make it somehow valid :rolleyes:

You would do well to understand what is being shared, in any religious writing or presentation, - the spiritual meaning, value, nuance and insight in it....then you can properly comprehend and 'contextualize' the statements and find 'truth' therein. Ask, seek, knock....really ponder, meditate upon what you are reading, with a mind free of preconceptions or conclusions. Such a mind is capable of learning.

Look here, I've put out enough on this thread for anyone interested in this particular book, and I'm not selling anything (that assumption is absurd), but expounding information/knowledge of the subject at hand, opening such for discussion. That's what the forum here is for. Your trolling and distraction tactics are not helping anyone, and wasting the time of others who might be interested in the subject, so they may likely just be passing over your posts anyways. Yes, we've agreed to be cordial, but there is a fine line when posts are of continual ridicule, immature antics, marginalizing, same old polemics....over and over again...which are doing nothing to promote genuine dialogue. Do you see whats going on? Can you be aware of your behavior? Remember the purpose of the thread?

See:

Jesus life and teaching - Part 4

Educate yourself on the subject in order to engage an informed/intelligent discussion...or kindly go away. Thank you. If not, there is the 'ignore' feature, which I would rather not use, but do as a last resort in some cases. Now consider all the above, before you post, in a manner respecting such.



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