ECT The Land Promise the LORD Gave To David

steko

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He didn't say anything about it ever happening. He said times and seasons were not for them to know. Then He said the power of God would be given to preach the Gospel to the world. That is the continuation of the promise, Christ in us, the hope of glory - for both Jew and Gentile.

It was not necessary for the Lord at that time to repeat what had already been said repeatedly by the Prophets concerning the Kingdom to Israel.

Rom 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
 

TweetyBird

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It was not necessary for the Lord at that time to repeat what had already been said repeatedly by the Prophets concerning the Kingdom to Israel.

Rom 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Those promises continued and were fulfilled in Christ per the texts that we have continued to post. There is no reference to the land promises in the NT. The physical land promise had already been fulfilled. The spiritual land promise is being fulfilled in Christ - a spiritual habitation.
 

TweetyBird

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The Lord Jesus said that His kingdom was not "now" of this world. Not that it will never be of this world:

"Jesus answered, my kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence" (Jn.18:36).​

Jesus said, NOW is my Kingdom, NOT FROM HENCE. He said the Kingdom of Heaven is within, not of this world and comes not with observation.

Here the Lord Jesus made it plain that the kingdom will be earthly:

"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven" (Mt.6:9-10).​

You do not even understand the most basic things about the kingdom even though you consider yourself an expert!

I think you have to get real creative with the text to squish that into an earthly kingdom, when Jesus refereed to the Heavenly, over and over again.
 

steko

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Those promises continued and were fulfilled in Christ per the texts that we have continued to post. There is no reference to the land promises in the NT. The physical land promise had already been fulfilled. The spiritual land promise is being fulfilled in Christ - a spiritual habitation.

Act 3:12 ............Ye men of Israel, ............

Act 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.


That much has been fulfilled literally according to the Prophets.

Peter says there is more to come with the Lord's return from heaven:

Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.


According to Peter, the rest of all that the Prophets foretold would be accomplished at the Lord's return.

Do you believe that the Lord Jesus literally suffered according to prophecy?

Why would you believe that if you believe that prophecy is to be interpreted metaphorically?
If the prophecies concerning a kingdom being restored to Israel are to be understood metaphorically then stick to the same method of interpretation and declare that Christ did not actually suffer. It's just a made up story to point to some higher spiritual meaning. What that higher spiritual meaning is, should be left to anyone's own imagination and it wouldn't matter who's imagination it was. Well....they could all be right, for that matter, because true truth doesn't really matter anyway.

Using your hermeneutic, one could just as rightly say that the birth, life, ministry, suffering, death, burial and resurrection of Christ is all just metaphor. It's not true history. There are many who have done that very thing with it.
 

steko

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Jesus said, NOW is my Kingdom, NOT FROM HENCE. He said the Kingdom of Heaven is within, not of this world and comes not with observation.



I think you have to get real creative with the text to squish that into an earthly kingdom, when Jesus refereed to the Heavenly, over and over again.

The word 'now' is a term with reference to the present time vs another time.

The Lord Jesus was say 'at this present time my Kingdom is not from here'.

The term 'heavenly' is used many times to refer to the influence and rule of heaven over the earth such as:

Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
 

beloved57

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Act 3:12 ............Ye men of Israel, ............

Act 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.


That much has been fulfilled literally according to the Prophets.

Peter says there is more to come with the Lord's return from heaven:

Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.


According to Peter, the rest of all that the Prophets foretold would be accomplished at the Lord's return.

Do you believe that the Lord Jesus literally suffered according to prophecy?

Why would you believe that if you believe that prophecy is to be interpreted metaphorically?
If the prophecies concerning a kingdom being restored to Israel are to be understood metaphorically then stick to the same method of interpretation and declare that Christ did not actually suffer. It's just a made up story to point to some higher spiritual meaning. What that higher spiritual meaning is, should be left to anyone's own imagination and it wouldn't matter who's imagination it was. Well....they could all be right, for that matter, because true truth doesn't really matter anyway.

Using you hermeneutic, one could just as rightly say that the birth, life, ministry, suffering, death, burial and resurrection of Christ is all just metaphor. It's not true history. There are many who have done that very thing with it.

Israel Abrahams descendants according to the flesh are not the children of God Rom 9:8
 

TweetyBird

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Act 3:12 ............Ye men of Israel, ............

Act 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.


That much has been fulfilled literally according to the Prophets.

And the Law as fulfilled as well, per Jesus.

Peter says there is more to come with the Lord's return from heaven:

Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Yes, the coming of a New Heaven and earth. He is not going to restore this earth to the original. He is going to destroy it.


Why would you believe that if you believe that prophecy is to be interpreted metaphorically?

I never said that.

Using your hermeneutic, one could just as rightly say that the birth, life, ministry, suffering, death, burial and resurrection of Christ is all just metaphor. It's not true history. There are many who have done that very thing with it.

I said nothing of a metaphor. Those are your words.

Heaven is not a metaphor. It is a real place that exists. It is as if we are already there - as Paul states, we have been translated into that Kingdom. We are citizens of that Kingdom now. We cannot see it, cannot experience it now - but we will when God opens our eyes and brings it to pass according to His times and seasons. That is the hope of glory in Christ Jesus. This is stated throughout the NT.
 

TweetyBird

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The word 'now' is a term with reference to the present time vs another time.

Yes, His Kingdom is now. He is reigning Now and forevermore.

The Lord Jesus was say 'at this present time my Kingdom is not from here'.

The term 'heavenly' is used many times to refer to the influence and rule of heaven over the earth such as:

Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Yes, the Kingdom of God is now. It's in those who are in Christ. It comes without observation. The Kingdom of Heaven is also a place - a place of eternal rest and joy in Christ forevermore.
 

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Yes, His Kingdom is now. He is reigning Now and forevermore.



Yes, the Kingdom of God is now. It's in those who are in Christ. It comes without observation. The Kingdom of Heaven is also a place - a place of eternal rest and joy in Christ forevermore.


Jesus said to the Pharisees--

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within (among) you.

but then went on to say to his disciples--

Luk 17:22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
Luk 17:23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
Luk 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
Luk 17:25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Luk 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.
Luk 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Luk 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

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Jerry Shugart

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I think you have to get real creative with the text to squish that into an earthly kingdom, when Jesus refereed to the Heavenly, over and over again.

How in the world can anyone deny that this verse is speaking of an earthly kingdom?:

"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven" (Mt.6:9-10).​

Of course the Lord is telling His disciples to pray for the kingdom to come to the earth. And when it does come to the earth then the Lord's "will" will be done on the earth.

So it is evident that the kingdom spoken of in this verse is speaking about an earthly kingdom.

Yes, His Kingdom is now. He is reigning Now and forevermore.

Then why does the Lord Jesus say that He will not sit upon His throne until He returns to the earth?:

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory" (Mt.25:31).​
 

SaulToPaul 2

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Jesus said to the Pharisees--

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within (among) you.

but then went on to say to his disciples--

Luk 17:22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
Luk 17:23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
Luk 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
Luk 17:25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Luk 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.
Luk 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Luk 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

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Gen 24:64 (KJV)
 

TweetyBird

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How in the world can anyone deny that this verse is speaking of an earthly kingdom?:

"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven" (Mt.6:9-10).​

Of course the Lord is telling His disciples to pray for the kingdom to come to the earth. And when it does come to the earth then the Lord's "will" will be done on the earth.

So it is evident that the kingdom spoken of in this verse is speaking about an earthly kingdom.

Jesus said the His Kingdom was not of this world, so how can it be an earthly Kingdom?


Then why does the Lord Jesus say that He will not sit upon His throne until He returns to the earth?:

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory" (Mt.25:31).​

It's important to look at the whole of Scripture, not take one verse and define one's beliefs on it. Jesus is reigning and ruling NOW. He is called King now. He will eventually, in the world to come, reign on His throne in view of all.

Romans 14:17
for the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Colossians 1:13
who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

1 Tim 1
16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. 17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

1 Tim 6
14 that thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15 which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Hebrews 7:1
For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

Heb 12
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: 29 for our God is a consuming fire.

Revelation 1:9
I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 15:3
And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Revelation 19:16
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
 

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There is no such thing as an earthly Kingdom of God, only that the Kingdom of God will rule over mortal nations for a long time.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

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