In regard to the law, there are only two places that you can be.
1. Under it, which also means subject to it.
2. Free from it, which also means, not subject to it.
If you are under it, Paul says that you are under a curse, Galatians 3:10.
If you are free from it and are living by faith and the Holy Spirit, then you have peace with God, Romans 5:1.
There is only one law, God's law. There were some Galatians that wanted to live under and according to the law. Paul said to them, "Tell me that you desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law" Galatians 4:21.
Paul was giving them a warning. To be under the law or to be subject to the law, means that you will be judged by the law and condemned. This is why Jesus abolished the law for his people, Colossians 2:14.
Where there is law, there is judgment and condemnation. "There is no condemnation for those that are in Christ Jesus" Romans 8:1. There is no condemnation because there is no law, it has been abolished, just like the scripture says, Ephesians 2:15.
Join with me in telling John W that he is wrong.
"Where there is law, there is judgment and condemnation. To be under the law or to be subject to the law, means that you will be judged by the law and condemned.
The law has not been abolished for you because you are under it and will be judged by it.
Pate's demonic dementia "logic:"
1.If the law exists, you are automatically condemned for breaking it.
2. Christ did not die for our sins....
3.To not be under the law, it's authority, the law must be eliminated, destroyed, abolished, made void.
Pate: Unless the laws against speeding, rape, murder, adultery, ...are abolished/made void, we are all under it, and
judged as guilty.
Pate: If the laws of foreign countries are not abolished/destroyed/eliminated/made void,
we are all under it, and will be judged by it.
Jesus came to abolish the law because we cannot do it.
And he, in demonic drunkenness, corrupts/trashes/butchers the meaning of abolish/destroy/makes void, saying something can be destroyed/abolished for some, un-abolished , un-destroyed, un made void for others.
Demonic moron, spiraling into dementia....Seen it often, in the financial services industry...
That is his demonic "reasoning," from the pits of hell.
Jesus came to abolish the law because we cannot do it.
So, Pate, on record:
1. Argues God expects us to "do" the law, for justification=righteousness of the law, not the righteousness of God. He admits this, in that he asserts the Saviour's walk in the law is imputed, credited to our account="vicarious law keeping." Vs,. the book's testimony:
Romans 3:21 KJV
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Galatians 2:21 KJV
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 3:21 KJV
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Thus,...
2. Pate argues that the solution to the sins issue, is not Christ dying for our sins, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, to blot out/wipe out/pay for the sin debt, "man's IOU" for breaking the good, holy, spiritual law of God, per Paul, in Romans 7, which Paul asserts is not void, as the problem is not with man, but with the God's law, as he asserts that it is not good, not holy, not spiritual, as it is the law, that is contrary/against us, not the sin debt/IOU that is contrary to/against us; Pate denies that the sin debt/IOU is contrary/ against us, as He asserts that God's laws against murder, lying, rape, sodomy, theft, adultery,......................................are contrary/against us, are not for our benefit, are not good, not holy, not spiritual; His "solution" is for the LORD God to destroy/abolish/make void the law, so there is o offense to break, not Christ dying for our sins, He paying the debt/IOU for us, in our place..
Thus, Pate, on record, asserts that Christ died in vain, there was no reason to die, as He did not need to die to pay our IOU/sin debt, as all the LORD God had to do, was destroy/abolish/make void/eliminate the law, so there would not be a sin debt/IOU., Thus, he then, ..
3.Deletes "the handwriting of ordinances" of Colossians 2:14 KJV, replacing it with "law/ordinances," thus perverting, corrupting the scriptures, making it look like Paul says that Christ blotted out, made void, the law/ordinances, making it look like Paul is saying that the law/ordinances are contrary/against us, not for our benefit, instead of Paul saying that the sin debt/IOU was blotted out, as that is what is contrary to us, against us, as Paul asserts that the law is good, holy, spiritual, not void, in Romans 11, and the problem is with man, and the sin debt/IOU for breaking a good, holy, spiritual law, not the law itself.
Pate says the opposite, asserting that the problem is with the law, as it is not good/holy/spiritual, and the problem is not with man, and he asserts that the solution is to assert that Christ came to destroy/abolish/blot out the law, not to die for man's breaking the good, holy, spiritual, law of God.
The "secular" example of Pate's "reasoning::
Pate gets a speeding ticket. He goes to court, and, in front of the judge...
Pate:Judge, I demand that you abolish/destroy the law against speeding. It is not a good law, because I/others cannot keep it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!This law is not for my benefit, or society's-it is contrary to/against me/society!!!!!!!!!! Abolish it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And, if you do not abolish it, it automatically condemns me, judges me, as guilty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The judge: No, the laws are good, and are for everyone's benefit, including yours. They are not against you, are not contrary to you, they are not against society, they are not contrary to society, -they stand. The problem is with you/others breaking these good laws, and the debt you/others must pay for these offenses(sins) you committed. That is what is contrary to/against you/others. Pay the fine. The law cannot condemn you, just because it is in place.
Pate: No!!!!! Abolish the law!!!!!!!
The judge: Either pay the fine, or go to jail-the law stands.
Pate: No!!!!The laws are not good-they are the problem, not me!!!!
Benevolent, gracious judge: Tell you what, Pate. Someone just paid your fine/debt/IOU(sin, offense, transgression) on your behalf. Justice is served. You are free to go(Christ died for our sins....paying the sin debt, IOU)
Pate: No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That person need not have paid my fine/debt!!!!!(Christ need not die to pay the sin debt/IOU). The solution is to abolish, destroy, make void, the laws against speeding(fill in the blank), so that we will not have to "do" these laws, obey them, and the solution is not the fine being satisfied(Christ-propitiation)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Benevolent, gracious judge: Lock up this man for dementia, contempt of court, lunacy-put him in a straight jacket.
