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You did so say that. You have said we are to do what Paul says and not what Jesus says when he walked the earth; you say it was not to us.
The Jews were 'the dead', in Jesus instruction, 'let the dead bury their dead'.
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You did so say that. You have said we are to do what Paul says and not what Jesus says when he walked the earth; you say it was not to us.
drbrumley
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Again, for the umpteenth time..You do not keep the commandments of God in order to be saved; you keep the commandments of God because you are saved.
So you want to steal from your neighbor, lie about your neighbor, sleep with his wife, and murder him?
Do you desire to do these things? I sure don't. So what's to obey?
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Not everyone obeys.
We have to obey to get saved, and to stay saved.
Do you get angry at anyone or hate anyone?
Do you help your brother in need?
According to Scripture, grace is a free gift of God, something that is undeserved and not earned.
No. But the gospel is not: “Try to live a perfect life and you’ll be saved.” The gospel is: “You cannot live a perfect life and thus stand condemned before God. But, out of His free love and grace, the Lord Jesus died to atone for the sins of His people. Therefore, believe in Christ and repent of your sins, and walk in holiness.”
So what is qualification for salvation to you?
Which Meshak is this coming from?
John 3:16. Faith in the finished work of the Lord Jesus. Eph. 2:1-10. We are saved by grace through faith, which is a gift from God, not a result of works so that no man may boast.
good verses and no one is denying that.
So you think accepting trinity is not condition for salvation?
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Jesus says his works are life.
You don't get life from his words if you do not do what he says.
Paul communed with Jesus, well after He had risen to spirit heaven, clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, body, to be on His throne of glory on the right side of the Holy Spirit, as the Lord in heaven for Christians/Saints.
Paul had the above communion and knowledge of the Spirit Jesus on the road to Damascus:
1 Corinthians: 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
2 Corinthians: 3 KJV N.T.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Since 2000 odd years ago the Lord is the Spirit of Jesus, Who is also the Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Intercession. The Lord is not the physical 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus who walked on earth.
It is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus who is the Lord for Saints/Christians. This is the Spirit that was promised to Abraham and his seed by God.
The Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession was provided as fulfillment of this promise that was made to Abraham and his seed. Jesus came in a physical body only to tell about and so introduce this Spirit which is His Spirit. God did not promise anyone a physical Jesus.
Fact is, the disciples knew only the physical 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus who was not the Lord. The disciples did not come to know the real Jesus who is the Lord and who is only in Spirit form, as the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession.
Only Paul, who on the road to Damascus, communed with and came to know the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Jesus who is the Lord for Saints/Christians.
The physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus was not consequential. He was not (anywhere near) equal to the Holy Spirit (i.e. God). One can blaspheme the physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus and one shall be forgiven (guaranteed):
Matthew: 12 King James Version (KJV)
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Fact is, Paul blasphemed both the physical Jesus and the Satanic church which he set-up under Peter/Satan. Paul was not only forgiven by the Spirit Jesus, the gospel of 'uncircumcision' (i.e. the Christian commission) was committed onto Paul, by the Spirit Jesus who is the real Lord from and in heaven.
However the Spirit Jesus is the direct Son of the Holy Spirit. He is entitled to everything due to the Holy Spirit. If one blaspheme the Spirit Jesus one shall not ever be forgiven. One will not be forgiven either in this world or in the world to come.
Blasphemy and denial of Paul is blasphemy and denial of the Spirit of Jesus. This will not be forgiven in this world or in the world to come.
Blaspheming and denial of the physical Jesus and Peter and the church of Peter is no biggie. One is guaranteed forgiveness for this blasphemy and denial. This particular blasphemy and denial is a right of passage.
Like Paul, one must discern the folly that is Peter/Satan and his church and blaspheme and deny Satan/Peter and his church, in order to graduate to Christianity.
The question is: Why is Peter and His church folly, for Christians?
The simple fact is that the ten commandments is the ministration of death. The ten commandments is 'him who had the power of death, that is the devil. The ten commandments makes and keeps one the dead who eventually bury each other inside the earth in hell with Satan/Peter. These are not not the people who 'follow Jesus'
Jesus had, promoted and left two agendas
Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1.) Follow me; and l2.) et the dead bury their dead.
However the gospel of the ten commandments (which killeth and makes one the dead who bury their dead) was committed onto Satan/Peter.
And, indeed, the church of Satan/Peter and his popes have been enforcing the ten commandments on their followers. Therefore, for the past 2000 odd years, the church of Satan/Peter his popes and their followers were the dead who bury each other inside the earth, in hell with Satan/Peter who when there when he died. They are not the one who follow Jesus. However they foolishly and erroneous believe that they are ones who are following Jesus. They foolishly and erroneously believe that they comprise the body of Christ and that they are Christians.
The church of Satan/Peter and his popes is comprised of only spiritually dead people. People who are not yet 'born again. These are described as people whose spirit must be saved. And the promise is that their spirit may be saved in, the still to come, day of the Lord Jesus. This means that while they live on earth, they are 'the dead (the spiritually dead) and they are buried as 'the dead' when they die. They are 'the dead who bury each other inside the earth, in hell with Satan/Peter, when they die'. They buried in this way to wait on 'the, still to come, day of the Lord Jesus'. They are all in hell inside the earth, with Satan/Peter. Some for as long as 2000 odd years.
The church of Satan/Peter, his popes and their followers is a grave folly. They are the church of the deceived and deluded. The church of Satan/Peter, his popes and their followers comprise only spiritually dead people, (i.e. the dead). They are people whose spirit must still be saved:
1 Corinthians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Satan/Peter and his popes are very spiritually dead people and they have been dispatching their charges to hell inside the earth with Satan/Peter who went there when he died.
However other spiritually dead people (i.e. those who are not yet 'born again') cannot discern this folly that prevail in the church of Satan/Peter, his popes and their followers.
However, as soon as one becomes 'born again' (i.e. as soon as one awaken to /become aware of his/her own heart/spirit), one clearly discern the serious folly and wickedness that prevails in the church of Satan/Peter. Then one naturally and spontaneously blaspheme and deny Peter/Satan, his popes and their church, like Paul did.
Paul went through the above passage. Paul had direct individual communion with the Spirit Jesus. This was possible only because Paul had been 'born again' (i.e. Paul had awakened to/become aware of his own heart/spirit). This is the only way that one can have communion with the Spirit of Jesus.
Everyone must go through this passage of being 'born again' and discerning the folly and wickedness that prevail in the church of Satan/Peter in order to be come a Christian, like Paul.
The church of Satan/Peter, his popes and their church is totally committed to making and keeping their followers 'the dead' (by enforcing the ten commandments on them) and then have them bury each other inside the earth, in hell with Satan/Peter.
Billions follow Satan/Peter, both in and out of the Catholic church. Satan/Peter has had a very profound influence on billions of people who were seeking to be Christians. He deceived all of them.
Only a chosen few (i.e. the authentic Christians) escape the grip of Satan/Peter and Co. When the chosen few Christians die they separate out of their dead physical bodies and rise, (like Jesus Christ), clad only in their spirit bodies, in three day, to be like angels in heaven.
All the while everyone, who even in the least manner, esteem and/or follow Peter/Satan are eventually buried inside the earth, in hell with Satan/Peter for an indefinite stay, under a very 'iffy' promise.
Friends, it is time to wake-up to truth, as clearly and literally confirmed in the Holy KJV N.T..
The time of the end is here and previously shut-up words that were sealed in the Holy KJV N.T. is surfacing, (in my posts) as increased knowledge:
Daniel 12 King James Version (KJV)
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Soon, when the truth 'clearly hit the fan' billions of Catholics and traditional Christians will be running 'to and fro' in mad frenzies. For 2000 odd years these people totally ignored Jesus prophesy and choose to believe their own ideas. They ignored:
Matthew 22:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Matthew: 24 King James Version (KJV)
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matthew; 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Billions made-up their own idea that, all are children of God and all are chosen. In many cases their leaders and priest deceived them by telling them what they wanted to hear and not the truth, so as to be able to steel their money in the form of tithes and offering.
Is it not plainly confirmed in the Holy KJV N.T. that only a few are chosen. Therefore only a few are children of God or will become children of God. The not-chosen billions will be and are, children of the flesh.
The question is where did the idea, that all people are children of God, come from, especially since billion are 'the dead' and sent to hell by Satan/Peter and Co.?
Clearly billion of spiritually dead people (i.e 'the dead' who are also called children of the flesh) were fooled-up into believing that they are children of God and then they were dispatched to hell inside the earth, with Satan/Peter.
Soon, when the truth 'clearly hit the fan' billions of Catholics and traditional Christians will be running 'to and fro' in mad frenzies, just as predicted by Daniel in the above prophesy.
Already many traditional politicians (i.e. those who discern wisdom in the old 'rule from the top' Mosaic ideology) have lost and continue to loose their footing and hold. They are already crying openly in bitter disappointment and running 'to and fro', in mad frenzies.
Billion more will awaken to their grave folly and become bitterly disappointed like these politician. They too will be crying and running 'to and fro' in mad frenzies. Indeed there will be crying and gnashing of teeth:
Luke: 13 KJV N.T.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
A billion strong Catholics and a billion strong traditional Christians all believe that they are the chosen few. All of them like the idea of being in the 'band-wagon' of billions.
However salvation and deliverance to God's kingdom of heaven and being a Christian is a 'club' of the choaen few.
The simple fact is that the ten commandments is the ministration of death. The ten commandments is 'him who had the power of death, that is the devil. The ten commandments makes and keeps one the dead who eventually bury each other inside the earth in hell with Satan/Peter. These are not not the people who 'follow Jesus'
Jesus had, promoted and left two agendas
Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1.) Follow me; and l2.) et the dead bury their dead.
However the gospel of the ten commandments (which killeth and makes one the dead who bury their dead) was committed onto Satan/Peter.
And, indeed, the church of Satan/Peter and his popes have been enforcing the ten commandments on their followers. Therefore, for the past 2000 odd years, the church of Satan/Peter his popes and their followers were the dead who bury each other inside the earth, in hell with Satan/Peter who when there when he died. They are not the one who follow Jesus. However they foolishly and erroneous believe that they are ones who are following Jesus. They foolishly and erroneously believe that they comprise the body of Christ and that they are Christians.
The church of Satan/Peter and his popes is comprised of only spiritually dead people. People who are not yet 'born again. These are described as people whose spirit must be saved. And the promise is that their spirit may be saved in, the still to come, day of the Lord Jesus. This means that while they live on earth, they are 'the dead (the spiritually dead) and they are buried as 'the dead' when they die. They are 'the dead who bury each other inside the earth, in hell with Satan/Peter, when they die'. They buried in this way to wait on 'the, still to come, day of the Lord Jesus'. They are all in hell inside the earth, with Satan/Peter. Some for as long as 2000 odd years.
The church of Satan/Peter, his popes and their followers is a grave folly. They are the church of the deceived and deluded. The church of Satan/Peter, his popes and their followers comprise only spiritually dead people, (i.e. the dead). They are people whose spirit must still be saved:
1 Corinthians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Satan/Peter and his popes are very spiritually dead people and they have been dispatching their charges to hell inside the earth with Satan/Peter who went there when he died.
However other spiritually dead people (i.e. those who are not yet 'born again') cannot discern this folly that prevail in the church of Satan/Peter, his popes and their followers.
However, as soon as one becomes 'born again' (i.e. as soon as one awaken to /become aware of his/her own heart/spirit), one clearly discern the serious folly and wickedness that prevails in the church of Satan/Peter. Then one naturally and spontaneously blaspheme and deny Peter/Satan, his popes and their church, like Paul did.
Paul went through the above passage. Paul had direct individual communion with the Spirit Jesus. This was possible only because Paul had been 'born again' (i.e. Paul had awakened to/become aware of his own heart/spirit). This is the only way that one can have communion with the Spirit of Jesus.
Everyone must go through this passage of being 'born again' and discerning the folly and wickedness that prevail in the church of Satan/Peter in order to be come a Christian, like Paul.
The church of Satan/Peter, his popes and their church is totally committed to making and keeping their followers 'the dead' (by enforcing the ten commandments on them) and then have them bury each other inside the earth, in hell with Satan/Peter.
Billions follow Satan/Peter, both in and out of the Catholic church. Satan/Peter has had a very profound influence on billions of people who were seeking to be Christians. He deceived all of them.
Only a chosen few (i.e. the authentic Christians) escape the grip of Satan/Peter and Co. When the chosen few Christians die they separate out of their dead physical bodies and rise, (like Jesus Christ), clad only in their spirit bodies, in three day, to be like angels in heaven.
All the while everyone, who even in the least manner, esteem and/or follow Peter/Satan are eventually buried inside the earth, in hell with Satan/Peter for an indefinite stay, under a very 'iffy' promise.
Friends, it is time to wake-up to truth, as clearly and literally confirmed in the Holy KJV N.T..
The time of the end is here and previously shut-up words that were sealed in the Holy KJV N.T. is surfacing, (in my posts) as increased knowledge:
Daniel 12 King James Version (KJV)
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Soon, when the truth 'clearly hit the fan' billions of Catholics and traditional Christians will be running 'to and fro' in mad frenzies. For 2000 odd years these people totally ignored Jesus prophesy and choose to believe their own ideas. They ignored:
Matthew 22:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Matthew: 24 King James Version (KJV)
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matthew; 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Billions made-up their own idea that, all are children of God and all are chosen. In many cases their leaders and priest deceived them by telling them what they wanted to hear and not the truth, so as to be able to steel their money in the form of tithes and offering.
Is it not plainly confirmed in the Holy KJV N.T. that only a few are chosen. Therefore only a few are children of God or will become children of God. The not-chosen billions will be and are, children of the flesh.
The question is where did the idea, that all people are children of God, come from, especially since billion are 'the dead' and sent to hell by Satan/Peter and Co.?
Clearly billion of spiritually dead people (i.e 'the dead' who are also called children of the flesh) were fooled-up into believing that they are children of God and then they were dispatched to hell inside the earth, with Satan/Peter.
Soon, when the truth 'clearly hit the fan' billions of Catholics and traditional Christians will be running 'to and fro' in mad frenzies, just as predicted by Daniel in the above prophesy.
Already many traditional politicians (i.e. those who discern wisdom in the old 'rule from the top' Mosaic ideology) have lost and continue to loose their footing and hold. They are already crying openly in bitter disappointment and running 'to and fro', in mad frenzies.
Billion more will awaken to their grave folly and become bitterly disappointed like these politician. They too will be crying and running 'to and fro' in mad frenzies. Indeed there will be crying and gnashing of teeth:
Luke: 13 KJV N.T.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
A billion strong Catholics and a billion strong traditional Christians all believe that they are the chosen few. All of them like the idea of being in the 'band-wagon' of billions.
However salvation and deliverance to God's kingdom of heaven and being a Christian is a 'club' of the choaen few.
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It is so weird. I am sure they have said that many times.
Somehow they are changing around their theory back and forth.
bump for @tdhinggins
God's Truth
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It is weird. I don't think they change it around though, but they try to reword it differently, just to be confusing and to act like we don't get it.
Nope.
You cannot show one single place where we say follow Paul, not Jesus.
jaybird
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you posted a lot of stuff there, i see no scripture that says Paul and no one else followed Jesus correctly.
this statement is a bit strange, are you saying Paul has equal authority of the Spirit? Paul on the same level as the Most High? if so . . .wow!
another odd statement. its like your trying to say Paul was a level above the actual 12 Apostles of Jesus? you realize the 12 actually met the living Jesus, walked with Him, heard His true voice. st Paul had an experience with Jesus, thousands up on thousands of Christians have had experiences with Jesus just like Paul. the 12 also met the risen Jesus, and im sure the 12 also had experiences after the ascension.
there is nothing wrong with Paul and what He taught but i have never been a fan of people trying to elevate Paul to the level of Jesus, James, the elders, or the 12.
jaybird
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Peter was one of the three elders personally chosen by Jesus. i have faith that Jesus knew what He was doing when choosing him.