The Identity of the Antichrist, the Two Beasts of Revelation, and Whore of Babylon

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A beast in prophecy symbolizes a kingdom, hence why this beast in the book of Daniel was said to symbolize a kingdom,
"He gave me this explanation: 'The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth... (Daniel 7:23 [NIV])
As such, the first beast of Revelation having multiple heads symbolizes multiple kingdoms, hence why it rises out of the sea,
And I stood upon the sand of the sea. And I saw from out of the sea a wild beast ascending, having ten horns and seven heads... (Revelation of John 13:1 [ABP])
Since the sea symbolizes many kinds of peoples and languages,
And he says to me, The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples and multitudes, and nations, and languages. (Revelation of John 17:15 [ABP])
And so, each head of this first beast symbolizes a series of kingdoms that comes forth chronologically one after the other, with the sixth head as the current ruling power at the time the vision was given,
And there are seven kings -- the five fallen, the one is, the other not yet is come... (Revelation of John 17:10 [ABP])
With one kingdom expected to come, and five kingdoms already fallen. As such, the current ruling kingdom at the time the vision was given were the Romans. And after these seven heads, comes an eighth head, and that is the kingdom that will be in ruling power at the coming of Jesus Christ,
And the beast which was, and is not, even he is eighth, and he is from out of the seven, and he goes unto destruction. (Revelation of John 17:11 [ABP])
As such, just as we observe the first beast rising from many peoples, and just as each head encompassing a large span of time throughout a series of kingdoms, we can also observe a correlation between these other descriptions of the first beast,
And the beast which I saw was likened to a leopard, and his feet as a bear, and his mouth as a mouth of a lion... (Revelation of John 13:2 [ABP])
To the four beasts of a Daniel, which were four kingdoms, in which case beast one of Daniel was likened to a lion, which relates to the mouth of a lion of the first beast of Revelation, who we came to know as the Babylonians,
And four great beasts came up out of the sea, different from one another. The first was like a lion and had eagles’ wings. Then as I looked its wings were plucked off, and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand on two feet like a man, and the mind of a man was given to it. (Daniel 7:3-4 [ESV])
And beast two of Daniel was likened to a bear, which relates to the feet of a bear of the first beast of Revelation, who we came to know as the Medo-Persians,
And behold, another beast, a second one, like a bear. It was raised up on one side. It had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth; and it was told, ‘Arise, devour much flesh.’ (Daniel 7:5 [ESV])
And beast three of Daniel was likened to a leopard, which relates to the appearance of a leopard of the first beast of Revelation, who we came to know as the Greeks,
After this I looked, and behold, another, like a leopard, with four wings of a bird on its back. And the beast had four heads, and dominion was given to it. (Daniel 7:6 [ESV])
And beast four of Daniel had ten horns, which relates to the ten horns of the first beast of Revelation, who we came to know as the Romans,
After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, terrifying and dreadful and exceedingly strong. It had great iron teeth; it devoured and broke in pieces and stamped what was left with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. (Daniel 7:7 [ESV])
As such, because of this correlation, we can further identify the heads that precede the Romans as the sixth head, which were the Greeks as the fifth head, and before them were the Medo-Persians as the fourth head, and before them were the Babylonians as the third head. And lastly, we can also identify the two remaining heads, which were the Assyrians as the second head, and ultimately, we arrive at the first kingdom to ever rule over the people of God, which were the Egyptians as the first head, who enslaved the Israelites for around 400 years,
Then the LORD said to him, "Know for certain that for four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own and that they will be enslaved and mistreated there. (Genesis 15:13 [NIV])
And so, the first beast symbolizes all kingdoms ruling over and coming against the people of God from the time of the Egyptians to the time of the second coming of Jesus Christ. This is also why anyone who is not written in the book of life ends up worshiping the first beast, both in the past, present, and future, because throughout time the first beast has manifested itself through various kingdoms, which were all powerful and influential kingdoms for their time,
and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. (Revelation 13:8 [ESV])
And just as the dragon gives his authority to the first beast,
...And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. (Revelation 13:2 [ESV])
So has Satan, who is symbolized by the dragon, throughout time, has granted his authority to each kingdom symbolized by the heads of first beast,
in which the god of this eon blinded the thoughts of the unbelieving, so as to not shine forth to them the illumination of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is image of the unseen of God. (2 Corinthians 4:4 [ABP])
The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. (Luke 4:5-6 [NIV])
And whoever worships these kingdoms by serving them, also worships Satan,
And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?” (Revelation 13:4 [ESV])
And so, the kingdom of the Romans, as the sixth head of the first beast having ten horns, which is also beast four of Daniel having ten horns, broke up into ten kingdoms, in which case, although the fall of the Roman empire is obscured by many different historical accounts, the ten kingdoms may be said to be the Franks, the Huns, the Visigoths, the Burgundians, the Suevi, the Anglo-Saxons, the Lombards, the Vandals, the Ostrogoths, and the Heruli. And during these horns, came forth an eleventh little horn,
I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots... (Daniel 7:8 [AKJV])
In which case, this little horn symbolizes the papacy, hence why the little horn is described as having the eyes of a man,
...And behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man... (Daniel 7:8 [NHEB])
In which case, the papacy destroyed the Vandals, the Ostrogoths, and the Heruli, which are the three horns uprooted by the eleventh little horn. This little horn not only symbolizes the papacy, but is also the antichrist that the elect were expecting to come,
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. (1 John 2:18 [NIV])
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. (2 Thessalonians 2:3 [NASB])
“And the king shall do as he wills. He shall exalt himself and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak astonishing things against the God of gods. He shall prosper till the indignation is accomplished; for what is decreed shall be done. (Daniel 11:36 [ESV])
As such, the antichrist is a Roman seat of authority occupied by one man, which began as the authority of Roman emperors, in which case, Titus fulfilled the prophecy as the desolator that came and destroyed Jerusalem and the temple, who even desecrated the temple of God and exalted himself above gods,
...And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.” (Daniel 9:27 [ESV])
"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand-- then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. (Matthew 24:15-20 [NIV])
"When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. (Luke 21:20-24 [NIV])
Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, "As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down." (Luke 21:5-6 [NIV])
And so, this Roman seat of authority continued to live on through what later came forth to be the Roman papacy, in which case, the final pope will be the one upon whom the "decreed end is poured out on the desolator", in which case he will be destroyed by Jesus Christ himself at his second coming,
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. (2 Thessalonians 2:8 [NIV])
And so, during the rule of Roman emperors, the apostasy that was prophesied to come brought forth the catholic church, which in turn brought forth the papacy, who through various popes has made arrogant boasts exalting himself to be God on earth,
...and a mouth speaking arrogant things. (Daniel 7:8 [NHEB])
Which correlates with the first beast of Revelation also speaking haughty words,
And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words... (Revelation 13:5 [ESV])
Even altering Jewish laws and times by establishing new times, such as Christmas, Easter, Sunday as the new Sabbath,
He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws... (Daniel 7:25 [NIV])
And has even spoken blasphemies against God and those who dwell in heaven through many false teachings,
And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words. It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling, that is, those who dwell in heaven. (Revelation 13:5-6 [ESV])
This little horn is also said to persecute the holy people for a time, times, and half a time,
...The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.
(Daniel 7:25 [NIV])
And since Nebuchadnezzar lost his sanity for seven times, which was seven years, therefore a time is derived to be one year,
Let his mind be changed from that of a man and let him be given the mind of an animal, till seven times pass by for him. (Daniel 4:16 [NIV])
As such, a times is derived to be two times, therefore, one time plus two times plus a half time is three and a half years, which corresponds to forty two months that the first beast is said to have authority to wage war against the holy people,
And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. (Revelation 13:5 [ESV])
It was given power to wage war against God's holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.
(Revelation 13:7 [ESV])
And from a known prophecy in Daniel, one prophetic day is derived to be one literal year, which was the seventy weeks prophecy of Daniel which predicted the coming of Jesus Christ to be four hundred and ninety years after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem after the Babylonian captivity,
Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy. (Daniel 9:24 [ASV])
Therefore, forty two months, which is also three and a half years, is derived to be one thousand two hundred and sixty literal years. As such, this time of papal authority was fulfilled beginning around 538 AD when the pope was officially granted power by the Justinian Code, to around 1798 AD when the pope was taken into captivity by the French, and so, throughout this appointed time, inquisitions and massacres were perpetrated by the rule of the papacy, which indeed martyred the holy people of God. And when the pope was taken into captivity is when the sixth head received its fatal wound,
One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound... (Revelation 13:3 [NIV])
After the sixth head, also came the Ottomans as the seventh head, which came for a little time,
...the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. (Revelation 17:10 [NIV])
And around the time that the papacy was abolished, came forth the second beast of Revelation,
Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth...(Revelation 13:11 [NIV])
As such, just as the seas symbolize many peoples, the earth symbolizes a sparse population, and so the United States ascended as a new kingdom in what was said to be a new world, thus fulfilling the prophecy of the second beast. And in likewise manner that the second beast exercises all the authority in relation to the first beast,
It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. (Revelation 13:12 [NIV])
So has the United States come forth as a kingdom related to the kingdoms symbolized by the first beast, in great authority in the world as those kingdoms once were, and was even birthed from the descendants of the kingdoms that the kingdom of the Romans broke up into, which were the European colonies that gave rise to the Americans. In which case, the United States ascended in the form of government that the sixth head first was, which was the democratic government that the Romans first were, which is a rulership of the majority, determining good or evil by the vote of the majority. In which case, this democratic form of government is also what the eighth and final head will be,
The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. (Revelation 17:11 [NIV])
The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come. (Romans 17:8 [NIV])
Since at the time the vision was given, the sixth head was not a republic, but a kingdom ruled by Roman emperors, hence "the beast that once was, and now is not". This also relates to why the ten horns that the Romans broke up into had crowns,
...It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
(Revelation 13:1 [NIV])
As opposed to the ten final horns of the first beast that do not have crowns, when the time that the eighth head comes to be, because a horn with a crown symbolizes a monarchy whereas a horn without a crown symbolizes a republic. As such, the government of the United States was formed in the image of the Roman government, which is the form of government that it tells the inhabitants of the earth to form as an image of the beast,
...deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. (Revelation 13:14 [ESV])
Which are democratic forms of government throughout the world that image the first beast and itself, and so, we see this already fulfilled with the promotion of independent democracies by the United States throughout the entire world, even fighting wars to create and promote new democracies and quash opposition, thus also fulfilling this prophecy,
...telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain. (Revelation 13:14-15 [ESV])
In which case, most of the kingdoms of the world have already become republics that image the first beast. And not only does the second beast influence the entire world, but it also exercises great power, to even cause fire to rain down from heaven,
And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. (Revelation 13:13 [NIV])
Which relates to the power the United States exercises by its own technology, to even bomb and destroy entire cities using its military and air force, displaying incredible power that no kingdom has ever had before. Such signs, among other technological wonders in various industries, such as communications, transportation, and medicine, have caused the entire world to be in awe and deceived by its signs,
and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth...
(Revelation 13:14 [ESV])
Which has caused the world to want to mimic the Americans as a result of the deception. The second beast has not just promoted its form of government to the world, but also its way of life, which includes entertainment with movies & music, financial system of debt, its sexual lewdness, and decadence. The two horns of the second beast symbolize congress and the presidency as the two ruling powers of the United States,
...It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. (Revelation 13:11 [NIV])
In which case, as a lamb, the United States is perceived to be godly, yet as a dragon it spreads wickedness around the world. During this time, the eighth and final head of the first beast is already forming as the European Union, in which case many countries have already given their authority to this union, yet its final form will be a republic that will be given authority by ten kingdoms that have not yet received authority,
"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. (Revelation 17:12-13 [NIV])
And their sole purpose when they receive authority will be to give their authority to the final formation of the European republic, in which case, this final republic will wage war against Jesus Christ when he returns,
They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers." (Revelation 17:14 [NIV])
And as the formation of the eighth head comes to be, the fatal wound of the sixth was healed,
One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed.The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. (Revelation 13:3 [NIV])
Which was the reinstatement of the papacy around 1929 by Benito Mussolini, which brought forth the whore of Babylon, which sits upon the first beast that has the seven heads and ten horns,
And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. (Revelation 17:3 [ESV])
And is involved with the kings and governments of the world, and has made the inhabitants of the entire world drunk with the wine of her false teachings,
with whom the kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality, and with the wine of whose sexual immorality the dwellers on earth have become drunk.”
(Revelation 17:2 [ESV])
And is also a mother of whores,
The name written on her forehead was a mystery: babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth. (Revelation 17:5 [NIV])
Because as a false church symbolized by a whore, she has given birth to more whores, which are all the false churches and false denominations that have come forth from the catholic church, borrowing many of her false teachings. In which case, the papacy is enthroned at the Vatican, which sits in the city that has seven hills, which is Rome,
"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings...
(Revelation 17:9 [NIV])
As such, the Vatican sits upon the first beast because she is a culmination of all the heads of the first beast, which is why the teachings and symbols of the catholic church all relate to teachings and symbols going back to the Babylonians and the Egyptians. The whore of Babylon is also said to be drunk with the blood of the saints,
I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God's holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. (Revelation 17:6 [NIV])
Because the papacy persecuted the people of God as the first beast having authority for one thousand two hundred and sixty years before it became drunk with their blood when it became the whore of Babylon during the formation of the eighth and final head of the first beast. As such, the Vatican will be destroyed by the ten kingdoms that will give their authority to the final European republic,
And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, (Revelation 17:16 [ESV])
And before they burn the Vatican with fire, they will first make her naked by exposing something shameful about her and will then will devour her flesh by ransacking her. This is one of the final signs before the second coming of Jesus Christ.
 

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The Identity of the Antichrist, the Two Beasts of Revelation, and Whore of Babylon

A beast in prophecy symbolizes a kingdom, hence why this beast in the book of Daniel was said to symbolize a kingdom,

I was going to reply point by point. But there was a lot of points , and you got into the Papacy, RCC, Vatican and the 10 Nations of Franks etc. etc. etc. So instead I will just post a general REPLY that explains my studies on the Subject.

Babylon, The Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast Explained

I will explain what the Lord has shown me recently, I blogged a blog ten months ago and in the blog I stated that Rev. 17:18 was speaking of Rome,(from my perspective) within two months God had Revealed to me who Babylon was, who the Beast is and who the Harlot is. My opinion is my opinion, I never allow it to supersede God's revelation, in other words I do not hold on to the pride of my opinion. If you want to know who the Harlot, Beast and Babylon is read on.

To start with it is not a City, it is not Rome, Babylon proper, Jerusalem, NYC, it is not the RCC, Mecca or America. HINT: The Harlot and Babylon are two different entities. There is also NO MYSTERY BABYLON, I do not understand why we continue to say this, the Angel in 17:7 says this: Rev. 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel ? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Since the Angel says I will explain the Mystery of the woman (Harlot) and the beast she rides (Seven Headed Beast) why do we insist that it is still a Mystery and why do we not understand that in Rev. 17:8-18 the Angel explains the Mystery to us ? Why do we miss what is in plain site ? Mystery (Musterion) in the Greek means Secret by Gods Silence, once God reveals the Secret/Mystery, it is no longer a Mystery.

The Seven Headed Beast is explained by the Angel first, many people say it sits on 7 hills, when the passage has nothing to do with hills or location, it is speaking of Seven Rulers who arise, we understand this because in the very next verse it speaks about the Seven Kings. So she sits on Seven Mountains which = Seven Rulers just like the Seven Heads = Seven Kingdoms. Then the Angel says Five have fallen, ONE IS, and one is YET TO COME. This is where we have to use our intelligence a wee bit. Who are these Kings ? Well we see in Rev. 13 when this Seven Headed Beast is described that the Beasts of Daniel are included, the Lion (Babylon) Bear (Persia) and Leopard (Greece) along with Rome of course as the fierce Beast. So we are searching for the other three heads, who can they possibly be ? What is the commonality of the Beasts/Heads that are mentioned ? They each Conquered, Enslaved or Ruled Israel, that is what made them a "BEAST", so we need to go through history and find the other three common Beasts/Heads. Well lets see, after a little thought we should get this fairly easily, Egypt and Assyria Conquered/Enslaved Israel, and the Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings will, according to prophecy, Conquer Israel (Abomination of Desolation). So lets add this up, and see what the Angel has revealed to us.

Five Kings have fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece) ONE IS (Rome of course was Ruling Israel when John wrote Revelation) and one is YET TO COME (The Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings). We understand the Beast with Seven Heads now. This is why the USSR, China, the United States and even the British Empire or Ottoman Empire can not be a Beast or one of the Seven Heads, they never Conquered Israel, while Israel/PEOPLE were in the land. The Brits ruled Palestine as did the Ottoman Empire, but God dispersed Israel all over the World, this was why Ezekiel prophesied that Israel would be as "Dead Men's Bones" but we know those dead men's bones came Alive again in 1948, so after Rome, and up until 1948, there could be no Beast, because there was no Israel in the land. The Seven Headed Beast is revealed.

Now what does the Angel say about the Harlot/Woman ? Well firstly it says the Water she sat on is Peoples, Nations, Tongues and Multitudes. So right off the bat we understand she is Worldwide. A key is in Rev. 17:16 the Kings in league with the Beast destroy her, but why after all these years of being co-mingled together do they burn her and destroy her ? Because she is ALL FALSE RELIGION, and the Anti-Christ right after the Abomination of Desolation will demand to be Worshiped as the ONLY GOD !! The Anti-Christ will come after Israel, who flees to the Wilderness where God protects them for 1260 days (Rev. 12), he then comes after Christians who became Christians after the Rapture to Behead them, and he will destroy Islam, Buddhism and all Religions. He demands worship as the ONLY GOD !! Remember, the Harlot is Judged, this is a Chapter that Judges her. False Religion has the blood of the Saints AND the Martyrs on its hands.

Ever wonder why the Harlot is HATED by the Kings but when Babylon is destroyed the Kings Cry and Lament her demise ? Because they are TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES !! Babylon is False Government and the Harlot is False Religion. People then say "but what about Rev. 17:18" that verse calls her a city ? Well the Angel was only reminding John what he SAW, and the vision he saw was what ? A woman with four things imprinted on her head, MYSTERY, Babylon the Great, Abominations of the Earth and Mother of Harlots. The Angel just reminded John that she was BABYLON the Mother of FALSE RELIGIONS. Not a City, but a MEMORY which is repulsive to God the Father. Proof of this is in Rev. 16.

There really is no Rev. 17 and 18, Rev. 16 comes right before Rev. 19. Rev. 17 is only the Harlot {False Religion} being destroyed and that begins/happens in Rev. 6 and 7, and Rev. 18 is only Babylon or the Last Beast Head of the Seven Headed Beast coming against Israel, getting the plagues of God rained down on them via the Trumpets and the Vials of God. Rev. 17 and 18 are just an enhanced retelling of things already told, thus in Rev. 16 we are told, IT IS DONE !!

In Rev. 16 the 6th Vial gathers the Nations against Israel (Anti-Christ/10 Kings which is Europe and the Kings of the East) and we know who meets them at Meggido don't we ? Jesus our Lord. After he lands on the Mt. of Olives (Zechariah 14) and splits it into (Earthquake). Rev. 16 tells it like this:

Rev. 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. (IT IS DONE !! No Rev. 17 or Rev. 18 exists per se.)

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts (Earthquake splits Jerusalem), and the cities of the nations fell: (BABYLON) and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

So we see here that BABYLON is only a MEMORY, God sees the Nations that come against Israel as BABYLON, and gives them the fierceness of his wrath. Of course Jesus lands on the Mt. of Olives and destroys those Nations that come against Israel, that is their demise. God Judges False Religion or the Harlot in Rev 17:16, she is no more after this. This happens when the Anti-Christ places an Image of himself in the Temple and demands all to Worship him, at the MID-WAY POINT or in Rev. 6 and 7.

Babylon is destroyed by Gods plagues, Babylon is the Nations that come against Israel (the World/Nations that participate) and God destroys her with His Plagues, which are the Seals/Trumpets and Vials. Babylons commerce is no doubt destroyed, that is what plagues do. Babylon is the habitation of Devils, Satan has been cast to earth and Apollyon and his horde of demons have been released from the pit in Rev. 9. The BOTTOM LINE IS :

The Harlot is FALSE RELIGION

Babylon is FALSE GOVERNMENT that tries to destroy Gods people, come after His authority, and deny His Godhead. It is not a City, it represents all that God sees as EVIL.
 

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I was going to reply point by point. But there was a lot of points , and you got into the Papacy, RCC, Vatican and the 10 Nations of Franks etc. etc. etc. So instead I will just post a general REPLY that explains my studies on the Subject.

Babylon, The Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast Explained

I will explain what the Lord has shown me recently, I blogged a blog ten months ago and in the blog I stated that Rev. 17:18 was speaking of Rome,(from my perspective) within two months God had Revealed to me who Babylon was, who the Beast is and who the Harlot is. My opinion is my opinion, I never allow it to supersede God's revelation, in other words I do not hold on to the pride of my opinion. If you want to know who the Harlot, Beast and Babylon is read on.

To start with it is not a City, it is not Rome, Babylon proper, Jerusalem, NYC, it is not the RCC, Mecca or America. HINT: The Harlot and Babylon are two different entities. There is also NO MYSTERY BABYLON, I do not understand why we continue to say this, the Angel in 17:7 says this: Rev. 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel ? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Since the Angel says I will explain the Mystery of the woman (Harlot) and the beast she rides (Seven Headed Beast) why do we insist that it is still a Mystery and why do we not understand that in Rev. 17:8-18 the Angel explains the Mystery to us ? Why do we miss what is in plain site ? Mystery (Musterion) in the Greek means Secret by Gods Silence, once God reveals the Secret/Mystery, it is no longer a Mystery.

The Seven Headed Beast is explained by the Angel first, many people say it sits on 7 hills, when the passage has nothing to do with hills or location, it is speaking of Seven Rulers who arise, we understand this because in the very next verse it speaks about the Seven Kings. So she sits on Seven Mountains which = Seven Rulers just like the Seven Heads = Seven Kingdoms. Then the Angel says Five have fallen, ONE IS, and one is YET TO COME. This is where we have to use our intelligence a wee bit. Who are these Kings ? Well we see in Rev. 13 when this Seven Headed Beast is described that the Beasts of Daniel are included, the Lion (Babylon) Bear (Persia) and Leopard (Greece) along with Rome of course as the fierce Beast. So we are searching for the other three heads, who can they possibly be ? What is the commonality of the Beasts/Heads that are mentioned ? They each Conquered, Enslaved or Ruled Israel, that is what made them a "BEAST", so we need to go through history and find the other three common Beasts/Heads. Well lets see, after a little thought we should get this fairly easily, Egypt and Assyria Conquered/Enslaved Israel, and the Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings will, according to prophecy, Conquer Israel (Abomination of Desolation). So lets add this up, and see what the Angel has revealed to us.

Five Kings have fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece) ONE IS (Rome of course was Ruling Israel when John wrote Revelation) and one is YET TO COME (The Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings). We understand the Beast with Seven Heads now. This is why the USSR, China, the United States and even the British Empire or Ottoman Empire can not be a Beast or one of the Seven Heads, they never Conquered Israel, while Israel/PEOPLE were in the land. The Brits ruled Palestine as did the Ottoman Empire, but God dispersed Israel all over the World, this was why Ezekiel prophesied that Israel would be as "Dead Men's Bones" but we know those dead men's bones came Alive again in 1948, so after Rome, and up until 1948, there could be no Beast, because there was no Israel in the land. The Seven Headed Beast is revealed.

Now what does the Angel say about the Harlot/Woman ? Well firstly it says the Water she sat on is Peoples, Nations, Tongues and Multitudes. So right off the bat we understand she is Worldwide. A key is in Rev. 17:16 the Kings in league with the Beast destroy her, but why after all these years of being co-mingled together do they burn her and destroy her ? Because she is ALL FALSE RELIGION, and the Anti-Christ right after the Abomination of Desolation will demand to be Worshiped as the ONLY GOD !! The Anti-Christ will come after Israel, who flees to the Wilderness where God protects them for 1260 days (Rev. 12), he then comes after Christians who became Christians after the Rapture to Behead them, and he will destroy Islam, Buddhism and all Religions. He demands worship as the ONLY GOD !! Remember, the Harlot is Judged, this is a Chapter that Judges her. False Religion has the blood of the Saints AND the Martyrs on its hands.

Ever wonder why the Harlot is HATED by the Kings but when Babylon is destroyed the Kings Cry and Lament her demise ? Because they are TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES !! Babylon is False Government and the Harlot is False Religion. People then say "but what about Rev. 17:18" that verse calls her a city ? Well the Angel was only reminding John what he SAW, and the vision he saw was what ? A woman with four things imprinted on her head, MYSTERY, Babylon the Great, Abominations of the Earth and Mother of Harlots. The Angel just reminded John that she was BABYLON the Mother of FALSE RELIGIONS. Not a City, but a MEMORY which is repulsive to God the Father. Proof of this is in Rev. 16.

There really is no Rev. 17 and 18, Rev. 16 comes right before Rev. 19. Rev. 17 is only the Harlot {False Religion} being destroyed and that begins/happens in Rev. 6 and 7, and Rev. 18 is only Babylon or the Last Beast Head of the Seven Headed Beast coming against Israel, getting the plagues of God rained down on them via the Trumpets and the Vials of God. Rev. 17 and 18 are just an enhanced retelling of things already told, thus in Rev. 16 we are told, IT IS DONE !!

In Rev. 16 the 6th Vial gathers the Nations against Israel (Anti-Christ/10 Kings which is Europe and the Kings of the East) and we know who meets them at Meggido don't we ? Jesus our Lord. After he lands on the Mt. of Olives (Zechariah 14) and splits it into (Earthquake). Rev. 16 tells it like this:

Rev. 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. (IT IS DONE !! No Rev. 17 or Rev. 18 exists per se.)

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts (Earthquake splits Jerusalem), and the cities of the nations fell: (BABYLON) and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

So we see here that BABYLON is only a MEMORY, God sees the Nations that come against Israel as BABYLON, and gives them the fierceness of his wrath. Of course Jesus lands on the Mt. of Olives and destroys those Nations that come against Israel, that is their demise. God Judges False Religion or the Harlot in Rev 17:16, she is no more after this. This happens when the Anti-Christ places an Image of himself in the Temple and demands all to Worship him, at the MID-WAY POINT or in Rev. 6 and 7.

Babylon is destroyed by Gods plagues, Babylon is the Nations that come against Israel (the World/Nations that participate) and God destroys her with His Plagues, which are the Seals/Trumpets and Vials. Babylons commerce is no doubt destroyed, that is what plagues do. Babylon is the habitation of Devils, Satan has been cast to earth and Apollyon and his horde of demons have been released from the pit in Rev. 9. The BOTTOM LINE IS :

The Harlot is FALSE RELIGION

Babylon is FALSE GOVERNMENT that tries to destroy Gods people, come after His authority, and deny His Godhead. It is not a City, it represents all that God sees as EVIL.

There is much confusion and wish wash in your understanding, so I'm just going to respond with,

NO.

I hope you reread the study and perhaps it will click, or perhaps it will not.
 

Nihilo

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Another raving anti-Catholic how droll. What's 666? You could explain the whole of Revelation otherwise, but if you can't explain 666 then you've got nothing and nobody has any reason to listen/read. Produce the explanation of 666.
 

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So nice to know that there are folks out there who have the TRUTH (TM). Even if they disagree with each other...
 

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Jesus saith unto him,
I am the way, the truth, and the life:
no man cometh unto the Father,
but by me.
- John 14:6
 

cgaviria

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'Like you've got pearls. 'Ever look to see from where your hand is retrieving your "pearls?" Did you even sniff your "pearls" before casting them?

How about you yield a thorough interpretation of 666 and the visions of Revelations. Let us see if you even can.
 

Nihilo

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How about you yield a thorough interpretation of 666 and the visions of Revelations. Let us see if you even can.
6 of every 9 European Jews in WWII died. Divide 6 by 9. 0.666....
Earth orbits around the sun at 93 million miles on average and one orbit takes one year, so earth travels 2x3.14159x93 (584.33) million miles around, divided by 365.25x24 (hours in a year) = 0.0666... million MPH.
And Solomon had his 666 talents of gold.

If Revelation hinges upon "counting the number of the beast" (cf. Rev13:18KJV), then we better be sure we get it right.
 
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