Some prefer to listen to John Calvin and his ilk. They do that at their own peril. It makes it impossible for them to preach the truth of the ONLY Gospel available.
The Gospel Verses Predestination
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I see it very clearly in Ephesians 2:1-10.
You nullify grace and promote salvation via works, but your ignorance and veiled eyes cannot see what is plainly before you.
Only God can show you your error and your inability to grasp God's unmerited favor in salvation.
What I notice is your deflection away from your own incapacity to grasp God's unmerited favor in election (even though it is explicitly taught in all the scriptures) and merely blame a dead man for your failures.
Address the scriptures or leave. What does Ephesians 2:1-10 say?
Ephesians 2:1-10
[1]Once you were dead because of your disobedience and your many sins.
[2]You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil—the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God.
[3]All of us used to live that way, following the passionate desires and inclinations of our sinful nature. By our very nature we were subject to God’s anger, just like everyone else.
[4]But God is so rich in mercy, and he loved us so much,
[5]that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead. (It is only by God’s grace that you have been saved!)
[6]For he raised us from the dead along with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ Jesus.
[7]So God can point to us in all future ages as examples of the incredible wealth of his grace and kindness toward us, as shown in all he has done for us who are united with Christ Jesus.
[8]God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God.
[9]Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.
[10]For we are God’s masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago.
Some prefer to listen to John Calvin and his ilk. They do that at their own peril. It makes it impossible for them to preach the truth of the ONLY Gospel available.
Israel was chosen of God (Elected) because of Abraham. Today, the 'Gospel of the Grace of God' and all it includes is open to individuals (not special groups of people) who hear the Gospel and are willing (by their own free-will) to place their faith in Christ as their Savior.
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These confused folks cannot understand that God, in His sovereignty, gives people choices to make; including choosing between life and death.
Ask Mr. Religion
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I guess saying something twice leaves no doubt where one stands and thusly cannot wiggle out of when effectively challenged. Good.
Let's just poke at that word "impossible" a wee bit.
3,561 listed sermons by one fellow included in your assertions above:
http://www.romans45.org/spurgeon/index/cindex.htm
Apparently not even a single one of them preached "the truth of the ONLY Gospel available". After all, per your doubly strident assertion, it is "impossible." In fact, one need not even read a single one sermon listed, given a declared impossibility. :AMR1:
Such is the nonsense that comes from hyperbolic speech toadying to the crowd. It makes for entertainment and being seen, but really not much more.
Sigh.
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So, only the nation called "Israel" has ever been chosen by God? In your opinion, God doesn't choose anyone or adopt them as His own?
Here's my request.
Provide scripture proving your position. Show us that God is passively sitting in heaven, waiting for the humans who are intelligent enough and rational enough to believe in God.
When you provide scripture, show me the context surrounding it so that I and everyone else can see what the writer is addressing as a whole.
Presently you have done nothing but shout a mantra of "Calvin is bad, Calvin is bad." Now is the time for you to put up or shut up.
Knock our socks off with scriptural passages showing how God doesn't get involved in choosing His children.
It's a perfect example of sinning , which is accually two things . One falling short of the glory of God . And two , wanting people to go their own way . Mennosota is just still ruled by the sinful nature because he thinks he is just chosen . Many are called , few are chosen ! He is simply being called with God awaiting the faithing response . Like many others , thinks he has arrived , but hasn't really even started the journey . Satan's greatest achievement to date I would guess .
It's not my responsibility (or any Christians) to make sure you or anyone else become a member of the 'Body of Christ.' I believe the Holy Spirit draws ALL men/women to the 'Gospel of the grace of God.' if the unbeliever hears the Gospel and places their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ alone, the Holy Spirit seals and indwells the unbeliever and they become a 'child of God' and a member of the 'Body of Christ.' It's a process and the work of the Holy Spirit from start to finish. The ONLY part an unbeliever has in that process is, they provide the necessary faith.
Ephesians 1:13 "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise"
I'm not certain what you're getting at? I realize you're a devout Calvinist and therefore you're trying to make a point. However, I don't know what that point is. Perhaps you could clear this up for me?
It is your responsibility. I have provided numerous verses and passages showing God's continuous choosing of His children from Genesis to Revelation. If you cannot present your biblical argument, I then consider you to have conceded me the argument.
Put up or shut up.
You may consider anything you wish about 'Old GM.' Do you really believe I lie awake at night filled with anxiety and panic attacks about what MS thinks of me? Surely, you jest.
By the way, MS your credibility rating is still at zero. You need to try a little bit harder.
Members of the 'Body of Christ' do have a responsibility to share the Gospel, however, that's where the member's responsibility ends. And, they ought to pray for the hearer's acceptance of the Gospel.
Goodbye, GM.
I accept your admission of defeat.
My shoes fit fine, defeat is another story. After all, they're fairly old and worn out.
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I think you read the Bible just like you do GM's posts. You read into what is NOT there. :chuckle: