MS appears to have a problem with getting any respect for his opinions. His 'rep-power' is at the zero mark (can't get much lower than that, that I know of?) I suppose his opinions are not acceptable to his fellow posters. Perhaps he ought to try and be more civil and avoid all his name calling?
The Gospel Verses Predestination
- Thread starter Robert Pate
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When you have to resort to 'name calling,' you've lost the battle and expected to wave the white flag.
Ask mennosota why a third of heavens angels have the choice to turn away from God , but the elect don't ?
Calvinist's blind spot is their inability to see 'free-will' throughout the entire Bible. And, it's SO visible.
He'll just call be one of his pet names and leave it at that.
It's interesting that he hardly ever uses scripture to back up his beliefs.
I have NO respect for Calvinism and one of its BIGGEST promoters, John Calvin (Who played a huge part in the MURDER of over 50 individuals that disagreed with his false doctrine.) Calvinism goes back before Calvin, however, the 'false doctrine' has his brand (name) attached to it.
His 'beliefs' originate in the unholy imaginations of Calvin and others.
Deep thought. You Pelagians all struggle with consistency. You want God to atone for all humans (universally) while saying that humans can reject the perfect holiness that God has already accomplished. That is the equivalent of someone drinking pure spring water, but willfully choosing to reject the spring water because they want to drink unfiltered sewer water. Second, you never account for the fact that no one has told billions of people that they are (by your assertion) already atoned for, which means they have no means of rejecting what they never heard about in the first place. How can a person reject something they don't even know about? Does that mean that all who don't know and cannot reject are therefore automatically saved? By your teaching they are already atoned for and they can't have rejected God. How does that work?
No, GM, I am not ignorant of a philosophy I lived it for 30 years. I know your schpeel and I know how contradictory your view is with scripture.
This doesn't bother me. My Savior received no respect from the legalists who thought their self-righteousness saved them. Why should I expect you to act any differently than they did?
John Calvin was called, "The Pope of Geneva." If you so desire, read up on the historical records of this evil/wicked man.
The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world.
"And he is a propitiation for our sins: and not our only, but also FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD" 1 John 2:2.
"I came not to judge the world, BUT TO SAVE THE WORLD" John 12:47.
"... for we have heard him ourselves and know that this is indeed the Christ, THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD" John 4:42.
"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son TO BE THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD" 1 John 4:14.
Why would you not want to believe that Jesus is the savior of the world?
Salvation has been provided for everyone by the doing and the dying of Jesus, Hebrews 2:9. This is God's great free gift for all of humanity.
"Even so by the righteousness of one (Christ) THE FREE GIFT CAME UPON ALL MEN UNTO JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE" Romans 5:18.
There is NO comparison between you and the Lord Jesus Christ. He is, God the Son and you are a confused, angry and ignorant individual who needs to learn about/believe and trust in the 'Gospel of the Grace of God' as preached by the Apostle Paul in Romans through Philemon.
He doesn't stand on anything !
Of course he is God and of course He is Lord. I am his adopted child. He told us that we must walk to the cross. If he had to suffer mocking and ridicule, should I expect anything less than what he experienced?
I have presented why Pelagianism isn't sound theology (You are a Pelagian). You struggle with showing why predestination, election and God choosing is not sound theology. I have given you ample opportunity to present your argument.
I never heard of a Mennonite that loved philosophy
The Apostle Paul was the 'Apostle to the Gentiles' and the chosen human conduit by which the 'true Gospel' for today is preached/taught. One can ONLY have their sins forgiven, be sealed and indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and inherit eternal life by placing one's faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. If one rejects the 'Grace Gospel' there is NO hope for them. Only judgment and the Lake of Fire awaits.
Whether you accept/believe the 'Gospel of the Grace of God' (as Paul calls it) it still is your/everyone's only hope for eternal life.
Indeed. If God chooses to adopt us and make us alive alive in Christ, it is our only hope being made right with God. If God does not adopt us and give us life, we will remain dead in our trespasses and sins.
Please read Ephesians 2:1-10. It is crystal clear to those whom God has chosen. (For the record, I think God has chosen you. You're just confused about how God did this.)
The CONFUSION isn't coming from me. You own that.