ECT The falling away from the faith, and that man of sin is revealed in them

[I.S.I.T.]

In a man.

The word "man" in scripture "anthropos" often refers to "mankind"= male and female.

Jesus was speaking in a parable referring to "a man" as a whole "wicked generation" this is clear.

Matthew 12:45
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

A "generation" is defined how the Lord defines it, not how man sees it. For instance a "generation of vipers" is not talking about the offspring of physical serpents, but rather those who are of the Serpents seed as was mentioned in Genesis. We know by scripture that Cain was of "that Wicked" so this "wicked generation" being a "seed of evil doers" is not talking about a small group of people in a limited amount of time such as a "generation" as man knows it. There is also a "regeneration" to come.

 

[I.S.I.T.]

I agree

Please do not change my quotes, that is a bad practice and evil.

 

[serpentdove]

Not one verse of scripture says antichrist is a single man figure. But what scripture does say is antichrist is a spirit that works in many deceivers, and has already come into the world.

Antichrist is a person and a system (2 Thess. 2:3, 7). There is one Antichrist and there have been many antichrists (1 John 2:18–22).

 

[I.S.I.T.]

Satan can only be in one place at one time. He is fallen angel. He can possess a person (like Judas).

That is like saying God's Spirit can only be in one place at one time. Satan is an angel, which is a spirit. And we know by scripture that his spirit is in all the world, and in all the children of disobedience.

Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

 

[I.S.I.T.]

Antichrist is a person and a system (2 Thess. 2:3, 7).

2 Thess does mention the word antichrist, that is just a false connection many try to make.

 

[serpentdove]

Jesus was speaking in a parable referring to "a man" as a whole "wicked generation" this is clear. Matthew 12:45

Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation [Matt. 12:45].

"This same situation is with us today. The hardest people in the world are unsaved church members because they think they are all right. They have undergone self–reformation—empty, swept, and garnished. They are like a vacant house, and all the evil spirits have to do is move in. The Devil owns them, and they don’t recognize this fact. Reformation means death and destruction. Regeneration means life and liberty." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Gospels (Matthew 1-13) (electronic ed., Vol. 34, p. 173). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

"Seven other spirits more wicked than himself.—This evidently refers to a more full possession by devils,—i. e., to a voluntary and damnable self-surrender to Satan by a wicked life, or to such hardening of unbelief as that of which the Jewish hierarchy and nation were guilty.—And the last state is worse than the first.—Their former low and miserable estate is followed by moral guilt, and a voluntary surrender to the power of evil..." Lange, J. P., & Schaff, P. (2008). A commentary on the Holy Scriptures: Matthew (p. 226). Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software.

"seven other spirits Seven is often used as a number of completeness or totality in the Bible; here, the possession by demons involves a complete takeover of the person." Barry, J. D., Mangum, D., Brown, D. R., Heiser, M. S., Custis, M., Ritzema, E., … Bomar, D. (2012, 2016). Faithlife Study Bible (Mt 12:45). Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press.

 

[I.S.I.T.]

There is one Antichrist and there have been many antichrists (1 John 2:18–22).

There is a singular lying spirit called antichrist that works in many deceivers, that is what the scriptures say. Nothing says antichrist is a man figure yet to come in the future.

I made a thread on the Spirit of Christ= Spirit of Truth, and the spirit of antichrist= spirit of a lie, which explains these things, if you care to read it.

 

[serpentdove]

2 Thess does mention the word antichrist, that is just a false connection many try to make.

Who is the man of sin to your mind? Who is the son of perdition to your mind?

 

[I.S.I.T.]

Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation [Matt. 12:45].

"This same situation is with us today. The hardest people in the world are unsaved church members because they think they are all right. They have undergone self–reformation—empty, swept, and garnished. They are like a vacant house, and all the evil spirits have to do is move in. The Devil owns them, and they don’t recognize this fact. Reformation means death and destruction. Regeneration means life and liberty." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Gospels (Matthew 1-13) (electronic ed., Vol. 34, p. 173). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

"Seven other spirits more wicked than himself.—This evidently refers to a more full possession by devils,—i. e., to a voluntary and damnable self-surrender to Satan by a wicked life, or to such hardening of unbelief as that of which the Jewish hierarchy and nation were guilty.—And the last state is worse than the first.—Their former low and miserable estate is followed by moral guilt, and a voluntary surrender to the power of evil..." Lange, J. P., & Schaff, P. (2008). A commentary on the Holy Scriptures: Matthew (p. 226). Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software.

"seven other spirits Seven is often used as a number of completeness or totality in the Bible; here, the possession by demons involves a complete takeover of the person." Barry, J. D., Mangum, D., Brown, D. R., Heiser, M. S., Custis, M., Ritzema, E., … Bomar, D. (2012, 2016). Faithlife Study Bible (Mt 12:45). Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press.

Look into the 7 things that are an abomination to God. Those 7 are working in the world and in "mankind" today.

 

[I.S.I.T.]

Who is the man of sin to your mind? Who is the son of perdition to your mind?

I covered it in my first couple of posts.

 

[serpentdove]

...Nothing says antichrist is a man figure...

Satan can indwell a human being (as he did with Judas for God's purposes). He will mock Jesus' resurrection in the future.

"Re 13:3 his deadly wound was healed. This statement could refer to one of the kingdoms that was destroyed and revived (i.e., the Roman Empire). But more likely it refers to a fake death and resurrection enacted by the Antichrist, as part of his lying deception. Cf. vv. 12, 14; 17:8, 11; 2 Thess. 2:9. world marveled. People in the world will be astounded and fascinated when Antichrist appears to rise from the dead. His charisma, brilliance, and attractive but deluding powers will cause the world to follow him unquestioningly (v. 14; 2 Thess. 2:8–12)." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 2009). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

 

[serpentdove]

Look into the 7 things that are an abomination to God...

:yawn: Ignoratio elenchi Eph 4:14

Satan: attempts to undo God's work (Mark 4:15), makes men turn away from God (Job 2:4, 5), instigates evil (John 13:2, 27) and secures men’s worship (Luke 4:6–8; 2 Thess. 2:3, 4). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 547). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

 

[serpentdove]

I covered it in my first couple of posts.

:yawn: Non causae ut causae Eph 4:14

 

[I.S.I.T.]

Satan can indwell a human being (as he did with Judas for God's purposes). He will mock Jesus' resurrection in the future.

"Re 13:3 his deadly wound was healed. This statement could refer to one of the kingdoms that was destroyed and revived (i.e., the Roman Empire). But more likely it refers to a fake death and resurrection enacted by the Antichrist, as part of his lying deception. Cf. vv. 12, 14; 17:8, 11; 2 Thess. 2:9. world marveled. People in the world will be astounded and fascinated when Antichrist appears to rise from the dead. His charisma, brilliance, and attractive but deluding powers will cause the world to follow him unquestioningly (v. 14; 2 Thess. 2:8–12)." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 2009). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

Satan's spirit is already in the world and working in all of mankind, what is one more man? LOL The whole world already worships the Red Dragon (Satan) and the beast (self) by serving the lusts of the flesh= sin is self serving. The first man (Adam) desires the same things as Satan= serving the desires and lusts of the flesh=sin= mark of the scarlet colored beast.

 

[serpentdove]

[Satan can only be in one place at one time. He is fallen angel. He can possess a person (like Judas).] That is like saying God's Spirit can only be in one place at one time.

God is the uncreated creator. Satan is a created being. God is omnipresent (he can be anywhere he chooses or not be anywhere he chooses). Satan can be at one place at one time.

Satan is an angel, which is a spirit. And we know by scripture that his spirit is in all the world...

Satan is an evil being. Others have chosen to be like him. He is: a deceiver (Rev. 12:9), the father of lies (John 8:44) and an adversary (1 Pet. 5:8). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 547). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

Ephesians 2:2

"2:2 course of this world...This refers to the world order, i.e., humanity’s values and standards apart from God and Christ. In 2 Cor. 10:4, 5, Paul refers to these ideologies that are like fortresses in which people are imprisoned, need to be set free, and brought captive to Christ and obedience to the truth (see notes there). the prince of the power of the air. Satan. Cf. John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11; 2 Cor. 4:4." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., pp. 1804–1805). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

 

[serpentdove]

Satan's spirit is already in the world and working in all of mankind, what is one more man? LOL

When one choses to follow Satan, it's not LOL (Re 21:4). Satan is assigned to hell (Matt. 25:41). Those who follow his ways go to the lake of fire, as well (Re 21:8).

The whole world already worships the Red Dragon (Satan) and the beast (self)...

Christians have overcome: the world, the flesh and the devil. They have chosen the best way--God's way (Jn 10:10). :straight: The lake of fire is reserved for: the beast (Rev. 19:20), the false prophet (Rev. 19:20), the devil (Rev. 20:10) and sinners (Rev. 21:8). :burnlib: Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (pp. 230–231). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

...y serving the lusts of the flesh = sin is self serving.

Sin leads to death (Rom. 6:23). A man reaps what he sows (Ga 6:7).

The first man (Adam) desires the same things as Satan...

Desired. After the fall, he wished to repent and did. Adam was the first evangelical.

...serving the desires and lusts of the flesh=sin= mark of the scarlet colored beast.

Men can repent (Is. 1:18). Fallen angels don't get that chance (Matt. 25:41).

 

[serpentdove]

No one is going anywhere until the last trump (last day).

Christians are going in the rapture. :rapture:

We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed (1 Co 15:51–52).

We who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words (1 Th 4:15–18).

 

[Interplanner]

All that had to do with one first century situation and was only mentioned once. Obviously those living at the last day get reunited through a different channel than those dead. But it is not applied as you are saying.

 

[Interplanner]

Why are my last 5 posts, no matter what thread, missing?

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

All that had to do with one first century situation and was only mentioned once. Obviously those living at the last day get reunited through a different channel than those dead. But it is not applied as you are saying.

:chuckle: