This is a good point. The current nation of Israel could be wiped out and God can arrange a gathering in the future. Israel being around now doesn't mean much of anything.
"The End of the World(TM)"?
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glorydaz
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So you don't see anything in prophecy about the Jews returning to their land after thousands of years? That it was a nation born in a day? Isaiah 66. It's just a coincidence? Rather, it seems to coincide with what we're seeing with Israel today, and is exactly according to prophecy.
God doesn't do this for Israel's sake, but for His own name's sake. Israel has always been a disobedient nation, so nothing new there. How else shall all of Israel be saved? A remnant will survive the great tribulation, right?
Ezekiel 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
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Of course I do... it just has not happened yet.
Nope... you're seeing it that way, but it's not.
Yes, and....?
The gathering of Israel "from the four winds" will not happen until the body of Christ has departed.
I would point out that it is the remnant that is gathered (i.e., those that faithfully believe) and not just any old Jew from those lands.
glorydaz
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It doesn't mean anything? After thousands of years being exiled and then their return in May of 1948? You really don't think it was God who gathered them back to their land? Israel is the center of the world according to antiquity.
glorydaz
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Right, the Rapture hasn't happened and the antichrist has not yet been revealed. But the scene is set.
Who has seen such a thing? Who has heard such a thing? How shocking was it when Israel became a nation after being dispersed for thousands of years?
Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the Lord: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
Of course the rapture comes first. But the scene is being set on the world stage. And the Jews will be decimated by the nations that come against them. But, there will be 144,000 Jews preaching the Gospel. And the remnant will be protected and saved. The nations are gathering as we speak. The world is dark and getting darker. It's time we preached the Gospel to all our loved ones and friends, because all the technology is available to make the mark of the beast happen.
Nope.
And then someone wrote a book titled "88 reasons why the Rapture will be in 1988"...
All 88 reasons were wrong.
Nope.
Israel is currently cut off, until the fulness of the Gentiles is reached.
glorydaz
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WOW.....I guess discussing this is fruitless.
If that's the attitude you're going to take, then yeah, I guess so.
way 2 go
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well I don't see the potential for another hundred years
we look to be in a steep descent straight to hell
how many boxes do we have to check for the end to come ?
(Matthew 24:32-33) [32] Now learn a parable of the fig tree. When its branch is still tender and puts out leaves, you know that summer is near. [33] So you, likewise, when you see all these things, shall know that it is near, at the doors.
this is the USA
glorydaz
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If you can't recognize that the Jews returning to their homeland is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy, then I'm left to wonder if you're under some delusion. There is lots of that going around.
I do find it odd that so many people who claim to know the Bible aren't recognizing the signs of the times.
Perhaps Bible Prophecy isn't allowed to be mentioned here anymore. I'm so out of the loop.
glorydaz
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Indeed. How many boxes? Reality has been replaced by Pretend. AI is fooling the masses. The tools are there. The world government is being endorsed by the Pope. Lawlessness is rampant. The world is looking for a savior....the antichrist is ready to step in and stop the insanity. We're living in the last days. Share the Gospel while you can. It's all there in the Book.
Why does it HAVE to be a fulfillment of prophecy?
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I have an idea. Instead of just repeating your unsupported claim over and over again (and getting insulted and insulting), why don't you actually make an argument?
Show the scripture that you believe is being fulfilled and then demonstrate that it is, in fact, being fulfilled.
way 2 go
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here is one box ✔
(Matthew 24:14) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Satan is the cause of the insanity
that said he will convince people to worship him and take the mark
(Revelation of John 13:15) And he had power to give life (o. pneuma) unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed
box ✔
(I Timothy 4:1) Now the Spirit (o. pneuma) speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, (o. pneuma) and doctrines of devils
glorydaz
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Because the Bible says it would happen. God promised it would happen. Now, after 2000 years it's happened.
glorydaz
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Wow, is this the same Right Divider I used to know?
I would love to discuss the prophesies that are being fulfilled, but I can't seem to get past the negativity that I've encountered thus far.
Actually, I think I did give some verses from Ezekiel and Isaiah. Remember?
It certainly seems like a mighty big coincidence that Israel has returned to the Promised land after being dispersed for so many years.
Isaiah 66:8
Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
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Yes
There is no "negativity". We just don't agree with you.
Again, you believe this but do not actually provide any support for it.
This is simply a case of confirmation bias on your part. And believing that other Christians must be delusional is no way to persuade us. You quote a few verses as if that totally proves your point. It does not.
There are many passages about God restoring Israel and there are many other things need to also occur that have not. Read the rest of Isaiah 66 and you will see that they have NOT happened.
Isa 66:10-24 (AKJV/PCE)
(66:10) Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her: (66:11) That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory. (66:12) For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon [her] sides, and be dandled upon [her] knees. (66:13) As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem. (66:14) And when ye see [this], your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants, and [his] indignation toward his enemies. (66:15) For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. (66:16) For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. (66:17) They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. (66:18) For I [know] their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory. (66:19) And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, [to] Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, [to] Tubal, and Javan, [to] the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles. (66:20) And they shall bring all your brethren [for] an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD. (66:21) And I will also take of them for priests [and] for Levites, saith the LORD. (66:22) For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. (66:23) And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. (66:24) And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
When God restores Israel, He will also destroy those gentile nations that oppose Him. That is when you will know that this has come to pass.
Continue in Ezekiel 36
Ezek 36:25-38 (AKJV/PCE)
(36:25) ¶ Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. (36:26) A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. (36:27) And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them]. (36:28) And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. (36:29) I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you. (36:30) And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen. (36:31) Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that [were] not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations. (36:32) Not for your sakes do I [this], saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel. (36:33) Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause [you] to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded. (36:34) And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by. (36:35) And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities [are become] fenced, [and] are inhabited. (36:36) Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined [places, and] plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken [it], and I will do [it]. (36:37) Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet [for] this be inquired of by the house of Israel, to do [it] for them; I will increase them with men like a flock. (36:38) As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I [am] the LORD.
Also note that Israel does NOT own the land that God gave to their fathers. Much is this land is currently occupied by their enemies.
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Agreed.
Agreed.
I'm not seeing the connection.
As far as I'm aware, there are still plenty of Jews scattered around the globe.
And as RD pointed out, there are still plenty of enemies occupying the land that God promised Israel, which the current nation of Israel does not own.
Also, Israel, AKA, the Jews, not what we today call a nation (for it is just another secular nation), has not repented of her rejection of her Messiah.
And on top of that, aside from it clearly having not been fulfilled, we don't even fully know what "the fulness of the Gentiles coming in" means, if at all. THAT has to happen first, then the Rapture, and THEN will Israel's program resume, and be the end of the world.
Until the rapture happens, assume everything going on is just coincidentally similar to prophecy, but does not actually fulfill it.
Also recognize that, if Scripture is any indication, there will be some prophecies that go unfulfilled, and thus, even if they are even if such prophecies are given by God, they may never come to pass, and should not be taken as if they are a 100% accurate prediction of the future. Even the length of the Tribulation will be shortened, as Jesus said as quoted by Matthew and Mark.
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Yes there is, to stop the Democratic ideology.
You can do that and vote Republican, it's not either-or.
glorydaz
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Jeremiah 16:
14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be said, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; 15 But, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.
14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be said, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; 15 But, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.