That is how we all see the world. But the horizon is not rising. Even on a flat disc you must look slightly down to see the horizon.
That is how we all see the world. But the horizon is not rising. Even on a flat disc you must look slightly down to see the horizon.
The path of the sun as seen from any particular location does not prove the earth is a globe or that it's flat.
--Dave
"Once again, you can stop with the IDIOTIC photographic arguments. It convinces no one other than those who haven't the faintest idea how cameras work. With the right wide angle lens you can make the same horizon look convex, concave or flat all from the exact same location. It's simply a matter of camera angle and type of lens used." --Clete
"The terms “horizon line” and “eye level” are often used synonymously. Horizon line/eye level refer to a physical/visual boundary where sky separates from land or water. It is the actual height of the viewer’s eyes when looking at an object, interior scene, or an exterior scene."--Basic Perspective: Eye Level and Horizon Line
That was an answer to one of your own objections from the several post of yours which I quoted. You posted an image file which is related to the celestial sphere, (which you probably found at Wikipedia? it is part of the horizontal coordinate system, here).
However, even though your response was not according to what my post concerned, even so, yes, every single apparent arc of the sun in its paths, as it appears to cross the sky, is proof, each and every day, right in front of your very own eyes, that you are living on a globe that is rotating on a slightly tilted axis while orbiting the sun. I would not yet have gathered enough evidence to be justified in simply stating this on page one of this thread: but I am indeed justified in stating it here and now because of all the evidence which has been gathered and presented thus far herein, regardless of whether or not any flat-earthers have been willing to hear what has been presented in this thread.
That this is proof of a globe is not clear to me.
I appreciate your imput though and am still analyzing it.
We all know that there is no acrc or path of the sun on the globe model. What we see for a heliocentric model is the earth spinning and rotating on a tilted axis around a stationary sun.
But what would be the outcome of a globe earth that was spinning and rotating but not tilted at an angle, but where the axis of spin was parallel to the sun and not tilted?
--Dave
But what would be the outcome of a globe earth that was spinning and rotating but not tilted at an angle, but where the axis of spin was parallel to the sun and not tilted?
--Dave
I'm studying this, from both sides. Flat earth has its own way of seeing the stars.
--Dave
Altitude & Azimuth: The Horizontal Coordinate System
The horizontal coordinate system, also known as the Alt/Az system, is a method for describing the exact position of objects in the sky, such as planets, the Sun, or the Moon. This system is also used by timeanddate.com to describe the positions of the Sun, the Moon, and the planets of our solar system.
Distance Irrelevant
Based on two coordinates, altitude and azimuth, the horizontal coordinate system provides the general direction in which to find a celestial object. Although the distance of the visible planets, stars, and galaxies differs by billions of light years, the system ignores the depth of space as an object's distance is irrelevant for the purpose of locating it in the sky.
The Celestial Sphere
Imagine the sky as a dome towering above you, its edges resting on the horizon. This is the backdrop the horizontal coordinate system uses to map the sky and describe the positions of its objects. To compare, the geographic coordinate system uses the Earth's surface as a backdrop to determine a position.
In effect, the system also includes the invisible half of the sky that is below the horizon. The dome above you is called the upper hemisphere and the invisible part of the sky below you is the lower hemisphere. Together, they form the celestial sphere, an imaginary globe surrounding you, with you at its center.
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/horizontal-coordinate-system.html
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/horizontal-coordinate-system.html
Thus the plane or circle in which the observer stands is nothing more than the latitude position on a globe model imagined as a plane, (the celestial sphere is a "construct" merely used for calculation purposes, celestial navigation). Here is a site explaining the celestial sphere:
http://www.empirenet.com/tajames/astronomy/notes-celestial-sphere.html
Notice in the image file above the horizon line is flat from the position of the observer. I think perhaps this is what you are mistaking as if a flat earth is being assumed. The celestial sphere is an imaginary coordinate system dependent on location, local viewing area, particularly the latitude of the observer upon the globe.
http://www.empirenet.com/tajames/astronomy/notes-celestial-sphere.html
Again, if you think you've discovered the "death knell" of flat earth, why aren't you on tour making 250,000 a year or working as a nasa spokesman? You are full of yourself if you think you found something that proves a globe and all others are behind and need to catch up to your 29 days of intense research.
Watching "enough" of a video to know the "concept" and all. Really? You're right, the thread is over for you because your mind was made up before you started. BTW, more people would and COULD read your posts if you discovered the concept of of "paragraphs" but you're probably busy proving the globe with the sun in the southern hemisphere or the stars or something. Sundials can ONLY work in flat earth. You're like Mr. Opposite here.
@Sherman - JR, stop telling me what to do. Please show proof for every one of your assertions. Actually, first prove the assertion made by two rabid anti-FE posters here in this thread, the false claim that a sundial CANNOT work on FE, that's what prompted my "spam" as YOU define it. Likely because the "spam" destroys you favorite "planet". Better yet, PROVE THE GLOBE.
If you don't possess the wherewithal to understand how a lighthouse works on the flat open sea, a periscope, and the gyroscope and sundial , that's not my problem. A 5 year old could comprehend. They were posts to different people, get over yourself, you're acting extremely pompous and self righteous.
Go cry to to the mod, typical. I can post any non-profane image I want as many times as I want, stoppostingSPAMMING the same WORDS over and over and over and over and over and over.:allsmile:
That last video from Chippy scared him.Again, if you think you've discovered the "death knell" of flat earth, why aren't you on tour making 250,000 a year or working as a nasa spokesman? You are full of yourself if you think you found something that proves a globe and all others are behind and need to catch up to your 29 days of intense research.
Watching "enough" of a video to know the "concept" and all. Really? You're right, the thread is over for you because your mind was made up before you started. BTW, more people would and COULD read your posts if you discovered the concept of of "paragraphs" but you're probably busy proving the globe with the sun in the southern hemisphere or the stars or something. Sundials can ONLY work in flat earth. You're like Mr. Opposite here.
Rather than comment on it or post some positive proof against it he lamed out and said it wasn't addressing his argument.
The reality is that the horizon never rises to meet your eye. Our eyes perceive that it does because it is always in our peripheral vision. Given the radius of the Earth is so large that our range of vision only allows us to perceive it as plane, the horizon "behaves' the same on either surface.I usually say "appears to be rising", I did not mean that it actually rises.
But the issue is that those who believe in the globe say we look slightly down at the horizon because they say we are looking at the bulge of a curved earth.
But the reality is that the horizon rises to our eye level or it does not.
If the earth were curving away from us, if it was a globe, then the horizon would not appear to rise to our eye level.
If the earth is flat/level then the horizon does appear to rise to our eye level and the earth is not curved, not a globe.
--Dave
The reality is that the horizon never rises to meet your eye. Our eyes perceive that it does because it is always in our peripheral vision. Given the radius of the Earth is so large that our range of vision only allows us to perceive it as plane, the horizon "behaves' the same on either surface.
Fun fact: In the Utah desert is the Great Salt flats. It is the "flattest" surface on the planet. On that salt flat is a 10 mile track that is used to set land speed records. From the start line it is impossible to see the finish line, it is hidden behind the horizon. Why would that be?
The reality is that the horizon never rises to meet your eye. Our eyes perceive that it does because it is always in our peripheral vision. Given the radius of the Earth is so large that our range of vision only allows us to perceive it as plane, the horizon "behaves' the same on either surface.
Fun fact: In the Utah desert is the Great Salt flats. It is the "flattest" surface on the planet. On that salt flat is a 10 mile track that is used to set land speed records. From the start line it is impossible to see the finish line, it is hidden behind the horizon. Why would that be?
No, Dave, it's not at eye level. It's the distance from your feet to your eyes, plus however high up you are, below you.Denying the most basic and obvious human perception that the horizon line is at eye level is the beginning of the globe deception.
--Dave
None of which comport with reality!
It's a very simple experiment to do, Dave. It takes a little time but it isn't hard to do.
An even easier thing to do is to go outside on any clear morning for the next several days and weeks.
If you go outside before Sunrise, you can see Saturn, Mars and Jupiter. Make a note of the arc the three bodies make across the sky because that's pretty much exactly the same arc the Sun is fixing to follow across the sky during the day. This morning was particularly nice because the nearly new Moon was just above the horizon, just before Sunrise and so you had a fourth body marking out that curve and aside from the bright star Antares, they were the only four celestial bodies visible in the sky.
Nothing of what I just said can be explained by the flat-earth delusion. It cannot. Their so-called explanations do not comport at all with reality, which, incidentally, is a primary reason we know that the Earth is not only round but that it orbits the Sun.
Clete
Denying the most basic and obvious human perception that the horizon line is at eye level is the beginning of the globe deception.
--Dave
All animals look downward at the ground. Man is the only creature to naturally look above the horizon.No, Dave, it's not at eye level. It's the distance from your feet to your eyes, plus however high up you are, below you.
No, Dave, it's not at eye level. It's the distance from your feet to your eyes, plus however high up you are, below you.
No, Dave, it's not at eye level. It's the distance from your feet to your eyes, plus however high up you are, below you.
Using a cartoon to prove your point doesn't work, Dave.