The Doom of the Democrat Party Begins

eider

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You know, Jerry was telling us the same thing just before the 2018 elections, so that might be something to consider.

Well, I know that most Brits are hoping for a Democrat(ic) landslide.
Why? They just don't like your President. Simple as that.
 

ok doser

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Well, I know that most Brits are hoping for a Democrat(ic) landslide.
Why? They just don't like your President. Simple as that.

Foreign leeches don't like our president?

Could he get a stronger endorsement? : chuckle:
 

The Barbarian

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I haven't seen that poll.

Well, there is this:

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- One year into Donald Trump's presidency, the image of U.S. leadership is weaker worldwide than it was under his two predecessors. Median approval of U.S. leadership across 134 countries and areas stands at a new low of 30%, according to a new Gallup report.

The most recent approval rating, based on Gallup World Poll surveys conducted between March and November last year, is down 18 percentage points from the 48% approval rating in the last year of President Barack Obama's administration, and is four points lower than the previous low of 34% in the last year of President George W. Bush's administration.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/225761/world-approval-leadership-drops-new-low.aspx
 

Gary K

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Here is an update on the story in the OP. The amount of outright fraud in this is incredible.
[h=2]UPDATED: Disturbing Likelihood – FBI Lawyer Manipulated Carter Page’s Own Communication With FBI to Target Him…[/h]
Posted on November 25, 2019 by sundance
There is a very strong likelihood the documentary material that FBI Lawyer Kevin Clinesmith falsified was actual communication from Carter Page to the FBI where Page was seeking their help in 2017. This revelation would explain and reconcile two seemingly contrasting points:
  • Point one – The media have asserted, based on leaks from the principal reviews, the woods file manipulation by Clinesmith did not impact the validity of the original FISA application on October 21st, 2017.
  • Point two – The material Kevin Clinesmith did manipulate was so egregious and unethical, it stands as one of the most clear examples of corrupt FBI abuse of power in recent history.
[h=3]This outline will highlight a VERY disturbing picture:[/h] Start by remembering the timeline of the Carter Page targeting through the use of a FISA application to the FISA Court (FISC). The original application was submitted on October 21st, 2016. The first FISA renewal was January 12, 2017 (84 days from origination). The second renewal was April 7, 2017 (85 days from prior renewal). The third renewal was on June 29th, 2017 (83 days from prior renewal).
carter-page-entrapment-1.jpg

Avoid the spin, and let’s focus on the facts. According to all reporting on the falsified evidence created by FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith, the manipulation of the woods file, happened during one of the renewals.
Michael E. Horowitz, uncovered errors and omissions in documents related to the wiretapping of a former Trump campaign adviser, Carter Page — including that a low-level lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, altered an email that officials used to prepare to seek court approval to renew the wiretap, the people said. (NYT Link)
The renewals were: Jan 12th, April 7th, June 29th, 2017. However, we know from the redacted release of the FISA application there was no material added in the first renewal in January 2017. So that leaves either the April ’17 renewal or the June ’17 renewal.

We know from the Washington Post and the New York Times leaks, again based on principal reviews of the IG report content, that FBI Lawyer Kevin Clinesmith modified an email:
…Horowitz found that the employee [Kevin Clinesmith] erroneously indicated he had documentation to back up a claim he had made in discussions with the Justice Department about the factual basis for the application. He then altered an email to back up that erroneous claim… (link)
That means Kevin Clinesmith modified an email, which then became part of the woods file evidence (citation by FBI FISA warrant lawyer Sally Moyer) to support either the April renewal or the June, 2017, renewal of the FISA application.
Now we look to Carter Page’s reaction to the reporting on the Clinesmith manipulation:
carter-page-tweet-clinesmith-april-2017.jpg

The rest of this article can be found here and there is a whole lot more to this article. It lays out a clear case of fraudulent behavior by the FBI.
 

Jerry Shugart

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Is Donald Trump Popular in Britain? Here's What the Polling Say. According to YouGov's polling, 11 percent of Britons believe Trump is a great or good president. But 67 percent, a vast majority, believe he is a poor or terrible president

All the Democrats have to do now is to figure out how the Brits can vote illegally in the 2020 election. They have experience in that regard because they have been doing their best to figure out a way that undocumented immigrants can vote illegally.
 

Jerry Shugart

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The rest of this article can be found here and there is a whole lot more to this article. It lays out a clear case of fraudulent behavior by the FBI.

Yes, and that is just the tip of the iceberg! While in office Obama was a pro at illegally spying on journalists:

In 2013, the Obama Justice Department labeled then-Fox News reporter James Rosen a “criminal co-conspirator” under the Espionage Act of 1917. And all because the reporter used a State Department contractor as a source for a story. Rosen was also labeled a "flight risk."

The Justice Department seized the records of at least five phone lines connected to Fox News. The federal law enforcement agency even seized the phone records of Rosen’s parents. The FBI also got a warrant to search Rosen's emails from 2010.

In May 2013, the Associated Press revealed that the Justice Department had secretly collected two months' worth of personal and work-related phone calls made by AP reporters and editors.

Federal officials secretly obtained records on incoming and outgoing calls made by specific AP journalists, as well as general news staff, the news group reported, potentially compromising many sources totally unrelated to the investigation. Federal investigators even collected data on calls made by AP reporters in the House of Representatives press gallery.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...s-trump-is-very-bad-for-criticizing-newsrooms
 

Gary K

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Yes, and that is just the tip of the iceberg! While in office Obama was a pro at illegally spying on journalists:

In 2013, the Obama Justice Department labeled then-Fox News reporter James Rosen a “criminal co-conspirator” under the Espionage Act of 1917. And all because the reporter used a State Department contractor as a source for a story. Rosen was also labeled a "flight risk."

The Justice Department seized the records of at least five phone lines connected to Fox News. The federal law enforcement agency even seized the phone records of Rosen’s parents. The FBI also got a warrant to search Rosen's emails from 2010.

In May 2013, the Associated Press revealed that the Justice Department had secretly collected two months' worth of personal and work-related phone calls made by AP reporters and editors.

Federal officials secretly obtained records on incoming and outgoing calls made by specific AP journalists, as well as general news staff, the news group reported, potentially compromising many sources totally unrelated to the investigation. Federal investigators even collected data on calls made by AP reporters in the House of Representatives press gallery.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...s-trump-is-very-bad-for-criticizing-newsrooms

There is also a fair amount of evidence that the Obama administration spied on millions of US citizens. It seems that anyone that Obama figured was a political enemy of his he used his powers as president to spy on. The number of unmaskings under his administration were incredible.
 

The Barbarian

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All the Democrats have to do now is to figure out how the Brits can vote illegally in the 2020 election. They have experience in that regard because they have been doing their best to figure out a way that undocumented immigrants can vote illegally.

Funny you should bring up illegal voting...

There were four documented cases of illegal voting in 2006. Three of them were for Trump, and one for another republican.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/dec/17/fact-checking-claims-voter-fraud-2016/
 

The Barbarian

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So to review, by the time Trump made the decision to release the aid to Ukraine, the White House would have known that the House intelligence committee had been told about the existence of the whistleblower complaint. It would have known that diplomats like Taylor had raised questions about tying the release of aid to investigation of the Bidens.

Are you really this uninformed? Trump gave the missiles to the Ukraines which destroy the Russian tanks BEFORE the so-called whistleblower complaint.

Only after the WH realized that their cover was blown, and the House intelligence committee knew about the whistleblower complaint. No point in denying the fact.

Under Obama, the federal government started the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, which sent other kinds of U.S. military equipment to the country. From 2016 to 2019, Congress appropriated $850 million.

In the last year of the Obama administration, Congress authorized lethal aid, but it didn’t include the Javelins.

The 2016
National Defense Authorization Act, which became law in November 2015, called for "lethal assistance such as anti-armor weapon systems, mortars, crew-served weapons and ammunition, grenade launchers and ammunition, and small arms and ammunition."
https://www.politifact.com/florida/s...pped-military/

According to your uninformed ideas Obama did more that Trump did in order that the Ukraines could defend themselves against the Russians!

Military weapons sent to them were much more effective than military weapons Trump did not send to them, yes.

Nothing which Obama gave the Ukraines was effective in the slightest degree in defending themselves against Russian tanks!

That's what "anti-armor" means, Jerry. Thought you knew. Obama sent the weapons without any attempt to extort anything from the Ukrainians. Trump tried to use them to extort political aid from the Ukrainian government.

That must have made you proud to be an American, didn't it?

Lt.Col. Vindman sure did. Trump, not so much. He's a huge embarrassment and a laughingstock in the rest of the world. Even his Russian cronies make fun of him.
 

Jerry Shugart

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Only after the WH realized that their cover was blown, and the House intelligence committee knew about the whistleblower complaint. No point in denying the fact.

Ukraine received the missiles from Trump in 2018.

The whistleblower complaint happened in 2019.

Only a person as delusional as you are thinks that the year 2019 precedes the year 2018.
 

Jerry Shugart

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There is also a fair amount of evidence that the Obama administration spied on millions of US citizens. It seems that anyone that Obama figured was a political enemy of his he used his powers as president to spy on. The number of unmaskings under his administration were incredible.

There was no limit to just how low Obama was willing to go if he thought it would improve his political power!

And the mainstream press and the Democrats just closed their eyes to his corruption!
 

Gary K

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There was no limit to just how low Obama was willing to go if he thought it would improve his political power!

And the mainstream press and the Democrats just closed their eyes to his corruption!

That's because they are all just as corrupt as Obama.
 
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