The doers of the Law shall be Justified !

[beloved57]

Rom 2:13

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Its no secret that in order to be Justified before God, it requires a Perfect, spotless and sinless Doing of the Law of God; Yes a Perfect obedience, but the problem is, man by nature cant render that level of obedience to Gods Law, which was proven by the sin of adam and eve in the very beginning, and so man by nature will always sin by coming short of the Glory of God Rom 3:23 in Perfect law obedience.

However there is hope, because in the Last Adam, the Lord Jesus Christ, Man did perform that perfect, sinless and spotless to Gods Law which makes one Righteous before God.

Rom 5:19 the word for righteous is the greek word is dikaios:


I.righteous, observing divine laws

A.in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God

i.of those who seem to themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves in their virtues, whether real or imagined


ii.innocent, faultless, guiltless


iii.used of him whose way of thinking, feeling, and acting is wholly conformed to the will of God, and who therefore needs no rectification in the heart or life

a.only Christ truly

Look at definitions 2,3 and 3a !


iv.approved of or acceptable of God


B.in a narrower sense, rendering to each his due and that in a judicial sense, passing just judgment on others, whether expressed in words or shown by the manner of dealing with them

Christ performed all the conditions of obedience to Gods Law, the way it should be, and the way man in adam failed to do.

But Christ did this in behalf of many, it was such, because He so represented them before God, as adam the first had done, that God counts His Perfect doing of Law Obedience, as if it had been done personally by them, and all for whom it was done for, it shall be revealed to them in the Gospel and in power, and they shall be persuaded to believe in Him Rom 1:16-17, So in essence, all for whom Christ lived and died for, the Many, are those referred to in Rom 2:13, as the doers of the Law that shall be Justified before God ! Yes because of His Obedience to the Law for them, God constitutes them Righteous Rom 5:19b

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

This is a Gospel Truth !

 

[Robert Pate]

The only way that anyone can be a doer of the law is to be "In Christ".

When God sees us "In Christ". He sees us as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

 

[beloved57]

The only way that anyone can be a doer of the law is to be "In Christ".

When God sees us "In Christ". He sees us as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

Did you read and understand the points I made with scripture ?

 

[Ben Masada]

The only way that anyone can be a doer of the law is to be "In Christ".

When God sees us "In Christ". He sees us as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

If to be a doer of the Law is to be "in Christ" according to the gospel of Paul, how can we be a doer of the Law if we have been released from it? (Rom. 7:6) That's a paradox akin to a self-contradiction.

 

[Wick Stick]

If to be a doer of the Law is to be "in Christ" according to the gospel of Paul, how can we be a doer of the Law if we have been released from it? (Rom. 7:6) That's a paradox akin to a self-contradiction.

Paul's talk of law in Romans 7 is fairly confusing, IMO. What he is actually talking about in the chapter is HOW the Law is used.

To this end, he creates a dichotomy between "the law in my mind" and "the law in my members." When quoting from this chapter, you have to double check which one Paul is referring to.

Both are the Torah, but they not the same. The former is the "spiritual" understanding of the law - the derivation of what we might call principles from it, and the application thereof. The latter is the enforcement of the letter of each statute, applying each to the actions of each man.

In this, Paul agrees with Jesus' interpretation of the Law.

For instance, Jesus teaches that "the Sabbath is made for man, and not man for the Sabbath," drawing a general principle from the law - that man ought to be granted rest - and observing that.

By contrast, the Pharisees enforced the letter of the law to the point of absurdity when they accused Jesus and his disciples of unlawfully "harvesting" grain on the Sabbath. In fact, all they had done was roll a few handfuls of grain through their hands to munch on during a short walk.

Jarrod

 

[beloved57]

If to be a doer of the Law is to be "in Christ" according to the gospel of Paul, how can we be a doer of the Law if we have been released from it? (Rom. 7:6) That's a paradox akin to a self-contradiction.

Did you read the OP ?

 

[Interplanner]

We are justified by Christ's works, not ours. Justification has to do with debt. It does not have to do with things we are to try to do now in obedience and personal growth (Christ doesn't do that for us). Christ's work clears our debt.

 

[beloved57]

We are justified by Christ's works, not ours. Justification has to do with debt. It does not have to do with things we are to try to do now in obedience and personal growth (Christ doesn't do that for us). Christ's work clears our debt.

So do you believe that Christ died for all without exception or only some ?

 

[Nanja]

Rom 2:13

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Its no secret that in order to be Justified before God, it requires a Perfect, spotless and sinless Doing of the Law of God; Yes a Perfect obedience, but the problem is, man by nature cant render that level of obedience to Gods Law, which was proven by the sin of adam and eve in the very beginning, and so man by nature will always sin by coming short of the Glory of God Rom 3:23 in Perfect law obedience.

However there is hope, because in the Last Adam, the Lord Jesus Christ, Man did perform that perfect, sinless and spotless to Gods Law which makes one Righteous before God.

Rom 5:19 the word for righteous is the greek word is dikaios:


I.righteous, observing divine laws

A.in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God

i.of those who seem to themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves in their virtues, whether real or imagined


ii.innocent, faultless, guiltless


iii.used of him whose way of thinking, feeling, and acting is wholly conformed to the will of God, and who therefore needs no rectification in the heart or life

a.only Christ truly

Look at definitions 2,3 and 3a !


iv.approved of or acceptable of God


B.in a narrower sense, rendering to each his due and that in a judicial sense, passing just judgment on others, whether expressed in words or shown by the manner of dealing with them

Christ performed all the conditions of obedience to Gods Law, the way it should be, and the way man in adam failed to do.

But Christ did this in behalf of many, it was such, because He so represented them before God, as adam the first had done, that God counts His Perfect doing of Law Obedience, as if it had been done personally by them, and all for whom it was done for, it shall be revealed to them in the Gospel and in power, and they shall be persuaded to believe in Him Rom 1:16-17, So in essence, all for whom Christ lived and died for, the Many, are those referred to in Rom 2:13, as the doers of the Law that shall be Justified before God ! Yes because of His Obedience to the Law for them, God constitutes them Righteous Rom 5:19b

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

This is a Gospel Truth !

Amen!

The only way anyone is deemed Righteous in God's Sight is if they were of those whom Christ represented;
all the Elect Eph. 1:4-5, Chosen in Christ by the Father and given to His Son to be their Saviour John 10:29.
God sees them Perfectly Righteous / Justified according to His Law and Justice, based solely upon
Christ's Perfect Obedience, in His Life and Death, to every one of God's Commands on their behalf.

Rom. 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect?
It is God that justifieth.

~~~~~

 

[beloved57]

Amen!

The only way anyone is deemed Righteous in God's Sight is if they were of those whom Christ represented;
all the Elect Eph. 1:4-5, Chosen in Christ by the Father and given to His Son to be their Saviour John 10:29.
God sees them Perfectly Righteous / Justified according to His Law and Justice, based solely upon
Christ's Perfect Obedience, in His Life and Death, to every one of God's Commands on their behalf.

Rom. 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect?
It is God that justifieth.

~~~~~

Amen!

 

[Interplanner]

So do you believe that Christ died for all without exception or only some ?

The 'cash' value of his death can justify all mankind from its sins, but a person must agree to that. People either deny there is need of such justification, or that they can manage on their own. "The will of the Father is that everyone who believes on the Son will have eternal life" in Jn 6 is not specifying that everyone will do so.

 

[beloved57]

The 'cash' value of his death can justify all mankind from its sins, but a person must agree to that. People either deny there is need of such justification, or that they can manage on their own. "The will of the Father is that everyone who believes on the Son will have eternal life" in Jn 6 is not specifying that everyone will do so.

Then you have contradicted yourself from earlier .

 

[False Prophet]

13 Hearing the law does not make people right with God. It is those who obey the law who will be right with him. 14 (Those who are not Jews do not have the law, but when they freely do what the law commands, they are the law for themselves. This is true even though they do not have the law. NCV

God writes his law on our hearts which is the new covenant.

 

[beloved57]

13 Hearing the law does not make people right with God. It is those who obey the law who will be right with him. 14 (Those who are not Jews do not have the law, but when they freely do what the law commands, they are the law for themselves. This is true even though they do not have the law. NCV

God writes his law on our hearts which is the new covenant.

Did you read the op and understand it ?

 

[Interplanner]

The NC was between God and Christ; Christ was made a covenant for the peoples. We are in it because of his victory and success in performing the obligations perfectly.

 

[beloved57]

The NC was between God and Christ; Christ was made a covenant for the peoples. We are in it because of his victory and success in performing the obligations perfectly.

You have contradicted yourself !

 

[genuineoriginal]

Rom 2:13

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Its no secret that in order to be Justified before God, it requires a Perfect, spotless and sinless Doing of the Law of God;

Your interpretation is false.
To be justified before God does not require a "perfect" doing of the Law of God.
God's Law provided many ways for people that do not keep it perfectly to remain justified in God's eyes.

Yes a Perfect obedience, but the problem is, man by nature cant render that level of obedience to Gods Law, which was proven by the sin of adam and eve in the very beginning, and so man by nature will always sin by coming short of the Glory of God Rom 3:23 in Perfect law obedience.

So what if we come short of "perfect" law obedience?

As it is written:

Proverbs 24:16 NASB 16 For a righteous man falls seven times, and rises again, But the wicked stumble in time of calamity.​

It is obvious to those that study the Bible that many people who have fallen into mortal sin are also considered righteous by God because they repented and rose again each time they fell.

The lie that if you stumble once you are no longer good enough for God is a lie straight from the pit.

 

[beloved57]

genuine

Your interpretation is false.

You may say that, you have a right, however did you understand the points I made with scripture ?

 

[Elia]

Rom 2:13

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Bs"d

And that's what your messiah himself said:

"“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Matt 5

And that's what James said:

" What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[d] works, and I will show you my faith by my[e] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[f] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[g] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."
James 2



"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever.".
Micah 4:5

 

[bsmitts]

Rom 2:13

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Its no secret that in order to be Justified before God, it requires a Perfect, spotless and sinless Doing of the Law of God; Yes a Perfect obedience, but the problem is, man by nature cant render that level of obedience to Gods Law, which was proven by the sin of adam and eve in the very beginning, and so man by nature will always sin by coming short of the Glory of God Rom 3:23 in Perfect law obedience.

However there is hope, because in the Last Adam, the Lord Jesus Christ, Man did perform that perfect, sinless and spotless to Gods Law which makes one Righteous before God.

Rom 5:19 the word for righteous is the greek word is dikaios:


I.righteous, observing divine laws

A.in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God

i.of those who seem to themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves in their virtues, whether real or imagined


ii.innocent, faultless, guiltless


iii.used of him whose way of thinking, feeling, and acting is wholly conformed to the will of God, and who therefore needs no rectification in the heart or life

a.only Christ truly

Look at definitions 2,3 and 3a !


iv.approved of or acceptable of God


B.in a narrower sense, rendering to each his due and that in a judicial sense, passing just judgment on others, whether expressed in words or shown by the manner of dealing with them

Christ performed all the conditions of obedience to Gods Law, the way it should be, and the way man in adam failed to do.

But Christ did this in behalf of many, it was such, because He so represented them before God, as adam the first had done, that God counts His Perfect doing of Law Obedience, as if it had been done personally by them, and all for whom it was done for, it shall be revealed to them in the Gospel and in power, and they shall be persuaded to believe in Him Rom 1:16-17, So in essence, all for whom Christ lived and died for, the Many, are those referred to in Rom 2:13, as the doers of the Law that shall be Justified before God ! Yes because of His Obedience to the Law for them, God constitutes them Righteous Rom 5:19b

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

This is a Gospel Truth !

You're trying to get into a discussion about weather people believe Christ died for all, including those who will never receive him, or weather people believe he only died for his elect. Listen, I believe there is quite a bit of support for divine election doctrine in scripture. However, that does not change the fact that the Gospel should be preached to every one Mark 16:15 The Gospel belongs to people(everyone should hear it). God is righteous nevertheless. So, he will do what's right in the end. If people end up in hell, it's only because, in God's unfathomable righteousness, they deserved it.