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The death penalty in the USA
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Y'all didn't really have a pat answer for me, though. I think it needs to be used more often, and I think it needs fixing--trials should be swift, there should be only one appeal, and prison should be a temporary holding area, as in until the trial is over--not a place to spend years.
philosophizer
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It's moral but needs fixing. For one, no inmates should be able to sit in Death Row for 5, 10, 15 plus years making hundreds of appeals. Justice deserves much more speed.
To say that it is immoral because it cannot be fixed is severly illogical. And to say that killing murderers is itself murder is farcical.
To say that it is immoral because it cannot be fixed is severly illogical. And to say that killing murderers is itself murder is farcical.
The death penalty here in the US needs a dramatic overhaul.
It isn't swift enough nor painful enough to be an effective deterrent.
Because the sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil. - Ecclesiastes 8:11
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Romans 13:3-4
It isn't swift enough nor painful enough to be an effective deterrent.
Because the sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil. - Ecclesiastes 8:11
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Romans 13:3-4
Gerald
Resident Fiend
Hey, somebody once did try to kill me for blaspheming...but a well-placed instep groin kick drove that idea from his mind.
That's been my major beef with the fundies: they don't have the stones to go after the ones I mentioned. I mean, consider these examples: Muslims and Hindus are guilty of the first two, Mormons and atheists are guilty of all three...
Interestingly enough, I've never been able to get a consistent answer as to what constitutes blasphemy (OTOH, idolarty and apostacy are pretty clear-cut); ask twelve people and you'll get twelve different answers...
the Sibbie
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I don't cross stitch!:doh:
Let's not forget "consistently":
He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death. Exodus 21:12
And that's just murder. There's still the other crimes that are supposed to be punishable by death: rape, adultery, sodomy, kidnapping, bearing false witness in a capital case... Did I miss any?
Some of those aren't even called crimes by our "justice" system anymore.
One that I'm not sure about is whether rebellious children should be executed. Was this law specific to Israel for symbolic reasons, or does it have a place in any good criminal justice system? Any thoughts?
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That law would have saved several children who attended my wife's former high school.... Columbine.
And we must remember..... that law applies to children who were a criminal threat that would not adhere to disciplinary measures by more than just their parents i.e., little criminals.
Gotcha! Some people ( :freak: ) think it means that any kid who disobeys their parents were to be put to death. But if that were true, why are there all those verses about spanking.
They ( :freak: ) also say that if we had that law, all kids would end up dead. But that didn't happen in Israel. It would probably keep a lot of kids, particularly teens, out of trouble.
I think I remember a passage about this law, that it's for cases like when a son is a drunkard, and is utterly rebellious. I'm going to try to find it. If you know where it is, feel free to save me a little time.
They ( :freak: ) also say that if we had that law, all kids would end up dead. But that didn't happen in Israel. It would probably keep a lot of kids, particularly teens, out of trouble.
I think I remember a passage about this law, that it's for cases like when a son is a drunkard, and is utterly rebellious. I'm going to try to find it. If you know where it is, feel free to save me a little time.
shilohproject
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I totallt agree with this sentiment. When we as a society move to execute, we should do so with every commitment to getting it right. There is no, "Oops, sorry, got the wrong guy!"
(Biblically, there was often divine guidance in such matters; I've afraid there is precious little of that in our courts today. Politics as usual creates real problems for a judicial system.)