ECT The Broken Record of MAD
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The point is he won't.
Right Divider
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:loser:
It was pointed at you! Good job.
Paul taught that only Hebrews will be saved.
Do you reject his teaching? If so, why?
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Start a thread. Quote a scripture. We can discuss.
Vague leading questions; not gunna do it; wouldn't be prudent.
Christ gathers His mortal elect, after the resurrection, not the Jews.
The Lord does not judge on the basis of ones flesh. You claim He does.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The Father still oversees the world, but Christ rules over His Church.
You disgrace His name.
Just because you know nothing of Christs covenant, does not mean He did not begin one, which one may enter through the blood of Christ.
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
You are a liar.
LA
because you deserve such according to Gods word.
If you want to avoid such judgment then you ought repent.
LA
See the NT interpretation of that to get your understanding right--
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
LA
LA does not deny the divinity of Christ.
Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Why was it necessary that God anointed Christ before He could do any miracle?
Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
When you are challenged on anything you believe in error, then you look around for something to protect your little religion because you are so weak and pitiful and unable to speak honorable like a man ought.
LA
SimpleMan77
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He said they were to witness about Jesus. They were the star in Jerusalem, go from there to Judea, then Samaria, and then into every nation on earth.
He sent his disciples during his ministry specifically to the nation of Israel. His work was focused on them until he died, at which time he told them to go into all the world.
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SimpleMan77
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Ah, but you are wrong. From that point forward the 12 apostles were used for the anointed word of God to flow through (God's word, saturated with his Spirit).
They were used to lay hands on people and preach to them, God using that to fill other people with the same Holy Ghost.
Back up your accusations with some specifics. If Jesus quotes or specifically references a scripture, what is wrong with going back to that scripture and looking at it?
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Right Divider
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WHAT about Jesus? They were NOT preaching the CROSS as Paul was.
Yes, they were... but their mission got interrupted because Israel would not accept it. They never even got Jerusalem converted.
The message they were given was not the gospel of the grace of God. It was the gospel of the kingdom and in that gospel Israel has a special place compared to the other nations on earth.
Go check the names on the foundation of the new Jerusalem. Paul is missing. There is a reason for that.
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You're clearly too happy with your churchianity to care what the Bible says. I won't waste any more time.
Interplanner
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re Paul missing from 'list'
Good luck with that. How on earth do suppose that is to be verified?
re other gospels
There is no other gospel. There was a way to salvage the country if they did NOT do what the zealots wanted, but there is no other gospel or mission that Israel was supposed to do or take. That's why the Gospel of redemption is so far back in the NT, that it is in the OT. You think 2P2P is there but it is not.
re the cross
the cross is mentioned early enough. Some of the bright listeners prob realized it when John said he is the Lamb of God. When Lk 9 talks about taking up a cross, it is not their suffering. It is his message, in the same sense as Paul's dilemma in Galatians. He doesn't mean some pietistic self-crucifixion of old nature, but the persecution from those zealous for the Law.
SimpleMan77
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Sounds like it might be best.
Let's see if I've got this right, and make sure this is your closing statement...
1. Jesus said that rivers of water would flow out of His believers
2. In the very next verse John, the Apostle who was the very closest to Jesus told us that Jesus was talking about the Holy Ghost being given
3. God gives his followers the Holy Ghost on the day of Pentecost (exactly what John said Jesus was referring to)
4. You say that wasn't what Jesus was referring to, and say I've got "Churchianity" because I won't take your word over John's.
Ok...
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Interplanner
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They are from the generation in the early 1900s which reacted to destructive modernism by saying that the unchallengeable proof of the Bible was that Israel would be back in its land. They despise how many teachers have shown that Mt24A is about the destruction of Jerusalem down through church history.
glorydaz
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Ah yes, the wrath of a lazy afternoon.
Is that like a case of sunburn or a bad rash from laying around and sweating?
SimpleMan77
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I challenge you to show me in scripture where Paul revealed a mystery that was given to him and not the other Apostles.
I'll play the first card. Paul said that God made known the mystery to him by revelation, but he said it is the same mystery that "is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit".
Ephesians 3:3-6
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
That same mystery, at that same time, was being revealed to the other Apostles and prophets, by the same Spirit.
It makes sense then that Peter went to the Gentiles, and God filled them with the Holy Ghost by FAITH, and without the works of the law... before Paul got his revelation.
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SimpleMan77
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Prophets. Plural.
Apostles. Plural.
It did not say "is revealed unto his apostles and prophets by Paul, it said "by the Spirit".
Ephesians 3:3-6
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
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