The Breath Of Life

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According to the Bible, the wages of sin is death. (Rom 6:23)

Let's say somebody tells 50 lies in their lifetime. That's 50 counts of
dishonesty; each one punishable by death.

In order to satisfy justice for each of those 50 lies, it would be necessary for
the liar to undergo death 50 times. Well; according to Dan 12:2 and John
5:28-29 there's only one resurrection allotted per person. So the serial liar
will be stuck with a pretty large balance of lies on the books for which he has
no lives remaining to settle his debts.

Death is the ideal justice for liars: it's quick, and it's over, and done with. But
seeing as how that's not possible for serial liars, then the only other option is
perpetual death.

†. Rev 21:8 . . But as for deceivers of every sort, their lot is in the burning
pool of fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

The human body is organic. It will not survive for very long in that pool.
However, human existence isn't entirely organic. There's an element to
human existence called the breath of life (Gen 2:7). The breath of life isn't
atmospheric gases. It's that part of human existence that makes it possible
for humans to be sentient beings instead of vegetables.

Now the interesting thing about the breath of life is that it's transferable.

For example: when Abraham, Lazarus, and the rich man of Luke 16:19-31
passed away, they all left their organic bodies behind, yet on the other side
they remain sentient.

I don't know for sure what kind of a body they have on the other side, but
one thing I do know is that their identities have not changed: Abraham is
still Abraham, Lazarus is still Lazarus, and the rich man is still the rich man;
and that's because they kept their breath of life when they crossed over to
the other side.

God plans to destroy people's bodies and souls in hell (Matt 10:28). But to
my knowledge, He has no plans to destroy their breath of life. The anti-hell
people floating in and out around here are going to find that out for
themselves soon enough.

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jamie

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However, human existence isn't entirely organic. There's an element to human existence called the breath of life (Gen 2:7). The breath of life isn't atmospheric gases. It's that part of human existence that makes it possible for humans to be sentient beings instead of vegetables.

You are confusing the terms spirit and soul. The spirit provides intellect and the soul refers to breath.

For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. (1 Corinthians 2:11 NKJV)​
 

keypurr

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Soul refers to breath of life. Dead bodies don't breathe.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The Spirit is the breath of life.
 

WeberHome

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†. Gen 2:7 . . And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The Hebrew words for "living soul" are chay nephesh; which are very
common in the first chapter of Genesis and definitely not limited to humans.

Nephesh, for example; are located in 1:20, 1:21, 1:24, 1:30, 2:19, and 9:4.

Chay are located in 1:20, 1:21, 1:24, 1:25, 1:28, 1:30, 2:9, 2:19, 2:20, and
3:1.

When all those references are compared, it's easy to see that a living soul is
simply a sentient creature as opposed to an object like a lump of coal or a
snow flake. Every critter aboard Noah's ark, including the humans, were
chay nephesh (Gen 9:10).

Some people don't like thinking of themselves as creatures, but that's the
facts of life according to Genesis.

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daqq

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Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The Spirit is the breath of life.

Hi Keypurr, in my understanding the Father reserves a residue of the Spirit to Himself. Compare both the Hebrew and the Septuagint Greek versions of Gen 2:7 and you will find word for word what concerns what, (and it carries throughout the scripture if one forces himself/herself to abide by the principles laid out even though it is quite difficult sometimes because of old man dogma). What you will not find in the Hebrew and Greek texts of Gen 2:7 are the words ruwach-spirit-wind-breath, (Hebrew) or pneuma-spirit-wind-breath, (Greek). A hint at the explanation may be found in Malachi 2:15. :)
 

glorydaz

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The human body is organic. It will not survive for very long in that pool.
However, human existence isn't entirely organic. There's an element to
human existence called the breath of life (Gen 2:7). The breath of life isn't
atmospheric gases. It's that part of human existence that makes it possible
for humans to be sentient beings instead of vegetables.

Now the interesting thing about the breath of life is that it's transferable.

For example: when Abraham, Lazarus, and the rich man of Luke 16:19-31
passed away, they all left their organic bodies behind, yet on the other side
they remain sentient.

The breath of life only means they are living.....even animals have the breath of life. When humans or animals breathe their last breath, the breath of life is gone.


Genesis 7:15
And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

Genesis 7:22
All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.​

Man is called a "living soul" when he is breathing and his heart is pumping blood, AND each man also has his own soul (being as he is comprised of a body, a soul, and a spirit). You're thinking of a man's soul and not the breath of life. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 Hebrews 4:12
 

WeberHome

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The breath of life as per Gen 2:7 isn't just breath; nor is it merely
atmospheric gases. Artificial respiration won't bring a corpse to life; and
that's exactly what Adam was when God first made him.

Christ restored a number of dead bodies to life in the New Testament; and I
have no doubt he did it by reuniting those bodies with their original breath of
life; so that when the bodies revived, they didn't come back as somebody
other than who the people were before they died.


The breath of life is pretty cool. With it; people can exist without a body.

The Watch Tower Society teaches its missionaries that human life is entirely
organic; viz: when people die, they go completely out of existence. If what
the Society teaches is true, then Christ didn't restore the dead to life;
instead: he re-created them.

Additionally: if what the Society teaches is true, then when Christ died, he
ceased to exist. For three days and nights there was no Christ. So in order
to restore Christ to life, God had to re-create him.

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WeberHome

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For as the body without the spirit is dead... (James 2:26 NKJV)

Yes, the body without the spirit is dead. But where does it say that the spirit
without the body is dead?

†. Luke 23:46 . . Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.

When Christ's organic body expired, did his spirit expire too? No, it didn't
because spirit isn't organic; ergo: spirit is impervious to organic death.


According to Matt 10:28, the soul and the body are perishable. but I have
yet to encounter a passage in the Bible clearly stating that the spirit is
perishable.

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jamie

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Yes, the body without the spirit is dead. But where does it say that the spirit without the body is dead?

The spirit returns to God who preserves it for the resurrection where it will be placed into a spiritual body for those in the first resurrection or placed in a physical body for the second resurrection.

It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body.
(1 Corinthians 15:44 NKJV)​

A spirit without a body is nonfunctional. A body without spirit is dead.
 

WeberHome

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It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body
and there is a spiritual body.

Watch as I revise that passage because the difference is significant.

"It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spirit body. There is a natural body
and there is a spirit body."

The Greek word translated "spiritual" is ambiguous. It doesn't necessarily
refer to spirit. Below is a list of spiritual things that bear absolutely no
resemblance whatsoever to the bodily chemistry of an angel or a demon.

Spiritual gifts (Rom 1:11)
Spiritual law (Rom 7:14)
Spiritual things (Rom 15:27)
Spiritual people (1Cor 2:15)
Spiritual nourishment (1Cor 10:3)
Spiritual water (1Cor 10:4)
Spiritual rock (1Cor 10:4)
Spiritual blessings (Eph 1:3)
Spiritual music (Eph 5:19)
Spiritual understanding (Col 1:9)
Spiritual housing (1Pet 2:5)
Spiritual sacrifices (1Pet 2:5)

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daqq

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The separation of body and spirit is death.
For as the body without the spirit is dead... (James 2:26 NKJV)

So also is the body without breath or "wind" likewise dead.

The spirit returns to God who preserves it for the resurrection where it will be placed into a spiritual body for those in the first resurrection or placed in a physical body for the second resurrection.
It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body.
(1 Corinthians 15:44 NKJV)
A spirit without a body is nonfunctional. A body without spirit is dead.

Ok, let's say it is raised an incorruptible body. How's that?

Incorruptible means not subject to decay.

As for Messiah it was not possible for a soma pneumatikos to see corruption, (all flesh is not the same flesh). Ya'll should have listened to Keypurr, a long, long, time ago. Oh well, to each his or her own I suppose. :chuckle:

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Bradley D

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Let's say somebody tells 50 lies in their lifetime. That's 50 counts of
dishonesty; each one punishable by death.

Does God require someone die 50 times before he is forgiven?

"Then Peter came and said to Him, 'Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?' Jesus said to him, 'I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven" (Matthew 18:21-22).

True repentance will be accepted for the liars sin. "Go now and leave your life of sin" (John 8:11).
 

False Prophet

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The breath of life is the Spirit. We like to think that the man in the pulpit has the big Jesus, and we have the little Jesus; however the man in the pulpit has the same Jesus as we do!
 

jamie

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(all flesh is not the same flesh)

All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds. (1 Corinthians 15:39 NKJV)​

"There is one kind of flesh of men..."

Let's say for the sake of discussion that the Word was made in the flesh of men, not animals or fish or birds.
 
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