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Grosnick Marowbe

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Are we witnessing our nation slowly but surely becoming a 'political Spy vs. Spy vs. Spy' scenario? That particular, Spy vs. Spy vs. Spy cartoon was created in 'Mad Magazine' a number of years ago and I suppose many of you remember it, if not, you can Google it. I'm uncertain if it exists today? Anyway, it all boils down to this, if Mueller and the Dems are successful in removing our President from office, will they then, seek to remove Pence thereafter? And, let's say a Dem would be placed into office a short time later, will the Republicans spend all their waking moments trying to remove the Dem? Is this what our nation's political system is coming to? Are we to remain a 'divided country' from this day forward? I'll await your comments.
 
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Grosnick Marowbe said:
Are we witnessing our nation slowly but surely becoming a 'political Spy vs. Spy vs. Spy' scenario? That particular, Spy vs. Spy vs. Spy cartoon was created in 'Mad Magazine' a number of years ago and I suppose many of you remember it, if not, you can Google it. I'm uncertain if it exists today? Anyway, it all boils down to this, if Mueller and the Dems are successful in removing our President from office, will they then, seek to remove Pence thereafter? And, let's say a Dem would be placed into office a short time later, will the Republicans spend all their waking moments trying to remove the Dem? Is this what our nation's political system is coming to? Are we to remain a 'divided country' from this day forward? I'll await your comments.
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What is going on is not a Democrat vs Republican fight. This is a deep state vs an uncontrollable outsider fight because the outsider will not bow to that agenda. What is going on right now is not about Donald Trump. This would have happened to anyone elected as President who wants to restore the rule of law and move us back to our political and social roots. Marxism must destroy the Constitution and the influence of Christianity to achieve the agenda the ideology pushes. This is why we see marxists and Islamists join forces. They are much more compatible as they are both totalitarian in nature. Islam does not care about liberty. In fact it hates it just like marxism does.
 
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What is going on is not a Democrat vs Republican fight. This is a deep state vs an uncontrollable outsider fight because the outsider will not bow to that agenda. What is going on right now is not about Donald Trump. This would have happened to anyone elected as President who wants to restore the rule of law and move us back to our political and social roots. Marxism must destroy the Constitution and the influence of Christianity to achieve the agenda the ideology pushes. This is why we see marxists and Islamists join forces. They are much more compatible as they are both totalitarian in nature. Islam does not care about liberty. In fact it hates it just like marxism does.
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You're making a good point.
 
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GM,

Here is a quote I just ran across today from a speech made by Senator William Jenner in the Senate back in 1954. This ties directly to JFK's speech about a conspiracy that runs the US government. That JFK was assassinated not long after giving that speech is to me pretty significant.

“Today the path to total dictatorship in the U.S. can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by Congress, the President, or the people… We have a well-organized political-action group in this country, determined to destroy our Constitution and establish a one-party state… The important point to remember about this group is not its ideology but its organization. It is a dynamic, aggressive, elite corps, forcing its way through every opening, to make a breach for a collectivist one-party state. It operates secretly, silently, continuously to transform our Government without suspecting that change is under way… If I seem to be extremist, the reason is that this revolutionary clique cannot be understood, unless we accept the fact that they are extremist. It is difficult for people governed by reasonablenss and morality to imagine the existence of a movement which ignores reasonableness and boasts of its determination to destroy; which ignores morality, and boasts of its cleverness in outwitting its opponents by abandoning all scruples. This ruthless power-seeking elite is a disease of our century… This group…is answerable neither to the President, the Congress, nor the courts. It is practically irremovable.”

Senator William Jenner of Indiana (1954)
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Here is excert of the transcript of JFK's speech. If you parse this carefully you will find some very real similarites between JFK's and Trump's agendas. Both were for cleaning up the conspiracy that has been destroying our nation for a long time. As an aside, both men are/were disliked by the intelligence agencies. Both men talked about fake news, although Kennedy never used the phrase, but he talked about newspapers getting access to info they should never have printed and publishing false stories as well. There is a reason for that. In Kennedy's day there were a whole lot more journalists who were honest and not bought and paid for. He faced a press that was not wholly one-sided.

I want to talk about our common responsibilities in the face of a common danger. The events of recent weeks may have helped to illuminate that challenge for some; but the dimensions of its threat have loomed large on the horizon for many years. Whatever our hopes may be for the future--for reducing this threat or living with it--there is no escaping either the gravity or the totality of its challenge to our survival and to our security--a challenge that confronts us in unaccustomed ways in every sphere of human activity.
This deadly challenge imposes upon our society two requirements of direct concern both to the press and to the President--two requirements that may seem almost contradictory in tone, but which must be reconciled and fulfilled if we are to meet this national peril. I refer, first, to the need for a far greater public information; and, second, to the need for far greater official secrecy.
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The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.
But I do ask every publisher, every editor, and every newsman in the nation to reexamine his own standards, and to recognize the nature of our country's peril. In time of war, the government and the press have customarily joined in an effort based largely on self-discipline, to prevent unauthorized disclosures to the enemy. In time of "clear and present danger," the courts have held that even the privileged rights of the First Amendment must yield to the public's need for national security.
Today no war has been declared--and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired.
If the press is awaiting a declaration of war before it imposes the self-discipline of combat conditions, then I can only say that no war ever posed a greater threat to our security. If you are awaiting a finding of "clear and present danger," then I can only say that the danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent.
It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions--by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.
Nevertheless, every democracy recognizes the necessary restraints of national security--and the question remains whether those restraints need to be more strictly observed if we are to oppose this kind of attack as well as outright invasion.
For the facts of the matter are that this nation's foes have openly boasted of acquiring through our newspapers information they would otherwise hire agents to acquire through theft, bribery or espionage; that details of this nation's covert preparations to counter the enemy's covert operations have been available to every newspaper reader, friend and foe alike; that the size, the strength, the location and the nature of our forces and weapons, and our plans and strategy for their use, have all been pinpointed in the press and other news media to a degree sufficient to satisfy any foreign power; and that, in at least in one case, the publication of details concerning a secret mechanism whereby satellites were followed required its alteration at the expense of considerable time and money.
The newspapers which printed these stories were loyal, patriotic, responsible and well-meaning. Had we been engaged in open warfare, they undoubtedly would not have published such items. But in the absence of open warfare, they recognized only the tests of journalism and not the tests of national security. And my question tonight is whether additional tests should not now be adopted.

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Grosnick Marowbe said:
Are we witnessing our nation slowly but surely becoming a 'political Spy vs. Spy vs. Spy' scenario? That particular, Spy vs. Spy vs. Spy cartoon was created in 'Mad Magazine' a number of years ago and I suppose many of you remember it, if not, you can Google it. I'm uncertain if it exists today? Anyway, it all boils down to this, if Mueller and the Dems are successful in removing our President from office, will they then, seek to remove Pence thereafter? And, let's say a Dem would be placed into office a short time later, will the Republicans spend all their waking moments trying to remove the Dem? Is this what our nation's political system is coming to? Are we to remain a 'divided country' from this day forward? I'll await your comments.
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I see you're well read ;)

...and yes, the sky is falling!

Guten Tag.
 
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ffreeloader said:
GM,

Here is a quote I just ran across today from a speech made by Senator William Jenner in the Senate back in 1954. This ties directly to JFK's speech about a conspiracy that runs the US government. That JFK was assassinated not long after giving that speech is to me pretty significant.
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It sounds a lot like what's going on today.
 
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Grosnick Marowbe said:
It sounds a lot like what's going on today.
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It's the exact same thing done by the exact same group of people. The names have changed, but the group has remained the same. What we see today is nothing new. It's more in the public eye right now, but this fight has been going on for a long, long time. The destruction of this country has been the goal of these people for a long time. Lifetimes have been spent working against it because of what the US once stood for.
 
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