Spiritual Israel not "Real Israel" is a doctrine of Demons!

[jamie]

#Peter Pan?

Crunchy or smooth?

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

Crunchy or smooth?

We're supposed to be fighting! With that cute dog and comments like that, you're making it hard to be mean to you!

#Resisting desire to appreciate Jamie.
#Darn-it!!! That was funny. Lol. Crunchy, but separated...

#Or whipped too...

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

John 16:12 “I still have many things to tell you, but you can’t bear them now.

Luke 21:20 “However, when you see Yerushalayim surrounded by armies, then you are to understand that she is about to be destroyed.

Luke 21:21-23 Those in Y’hudah must escape to the hills, those inside the city must get out, and those in the country must not enter it. For these are the days of vengeance, when everything that has been written in the Tanakh will come true. What a terrible time it will be for pregnant women and nursing mothers! For there will be great distress in the Land and judgment on the people.

Luke 21:4 Some will fall by the edge of the sword, others will be carried into all the countries of the Goyim, and Yerushalayim will be trampled down by the Goyim until the age of the Goyim has run its course. Romans 11:24-27 For if you were cut out of what is by nature a wild olive tree and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, ! For, brothers, I want you to understand this truth which God formerly concealed but has now revealed, so that you won’t imagine you know more than you actually do. It is that stoniness, to a degree, has come upon Isra’el, until the Gentile world enters in its fullness; and that it is in this way that all Isra’el will be saved. As the Tanakh says, “Out of Tziyon will come the Redeemer; he will turn away ungodliness from Ya‘akov and this will be my covenant with them, . . . when I take away their sins.”

Luke 21:27-28 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with tremendous power and glory. When these things start to happen, stand up and hold your heads high; because you are about to be liberated!”

Acts 1:10-12 As they were staring into the sky after him, suddenly they saw two men dressed in white standing next to them. The men said, “You Galileans! Why are you standing, staring into space? This Yeshua, who has been taken away from you into heaven, will come back to you in just the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” Then they returned the Shabbat-walk distance from the Mount of Olives to Yerushalayim.

Zechariah 14:2-5 “For I will gather all the nations against Yerushalayim for war. The city will be taken, the houses will be rifled, the women will be raped, and half the city will go into exile; but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city.” Then Adonai will go out and fight against those nations, fighting as on a day of battle. On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which lies to the east of Yerushalayim; and the Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, to make a huge valley. Half of the mountain will move toward the north, and half of it toward the south. You will flee to the valley in the mountains, for the valley in the mountains will reach to Atzel. You will flee, just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of ‘Uziyah king of Y’hudah. Then Adonai my God will come to you with all the holy ones.

Joel 4:9-12 “Proclaim this among the nations: ‘Prepare for war! Rouse the warriors! Let all the fighting men approach and attack.’ Hammer your plow-blades into swords and your pruning-knives into spears. Let the weak say, ‘I am strong.’ Hurry, come, you surrounding nations, gather yourselves together!” Bring your warriors down, Adonai! “Let the nations be roused and come up to the Valley of Y’hoshafat Adonai judges. For there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations.”

Joel 4:1-2,3 “For then, at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Y’hudah and Yerushalayim, I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Y’hoshafat Adonai judges. I will enter into judgment there for my people, my heritage Isra’el, whom they scattered among the nations; then they divided my land. 2:32 At that time, whoever calls on the name of Adonai will be saved. For in Mount Tziyon and Yerushalayim there will be those who escape, as Adonai has promised; among the survivors will be those whom Adonai has called.

Revelation 20:11-15 Next I saw a great white throne and the One sitting on it. Earth and heaven fled from his presence, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, both great and small, standing in front of the throne. Books were opened; and another book was opened, the Book of Life; and the dead were judged from what was written in the books, according to what they had done. The sea gave up the dead in it; and Death and Sh’ol gave up the dead in them; and they were judged, each according to what he had done. Then Death and Sh’ol were hurled into the lake of fire. This is the second death — the lake of fire. Anyone whose name was not found written in the Book of Life was hurled into the lake of fire.

Joel 2:1-3 Joel 4:9-12 “Blow the shofar in Tziyon! Sound an alarm on my holy mountain!” Let all living in the land tremble, for the Day of Adonai is coming! It’s upon us! — a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick fog; a great and mighty horde is spreading like blackness over the mountains. There has never been anything like it, nor will there ever be again, not even after the years of many generations. Ahead of them a fire devours, behind them a flame consumes; ahead the land is like Gan-‘Eden, behind them a desert waste. From them there is no escape. “Proclaim this among the nations: ‘Prepare for war! Rouse the warriors! Let all the fighting men approach and attack.’ Hammer your plow-blades into swords and your pruning-knives into spears. Let the weak say, ‘I am strong.’ Hurry, come, you surrounding nations, gather yourselves together!” Bring your warriors down, Adonai! “Let the nations be roused and come up to the Valley of Y’hoshafat Adonai judges. For there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations.”

Revelation 21:3-4, 22-23 I heard a loud voice from the throne say, “See! God’s Sh’khinah is with mankind, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and he himself, God-with-them, will be their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes. There will no longer be any death; and there will no longer be any mourning, crying or pain; because the old order has passed away.” I saw no Temple in the city, for Adonai, God of heaven’s armies, is its Temple, as is the Lamb. The city has no need for the sun or the moon to shine on it, because God’s Sh’khinah gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb.

Joel 3:5 Joel 2:27 2:32 At that time, whoever calls on the name of Adonai will be saved. For in Mount Tziyon and Yerushalayim there will be those who escape, as Adonai has promised; among the survivors will be those whom Adonai has called. You will know that I am with Isra’el and that I am Adonai your God, and that there is no other. Then my people will never again be shamed.

 

[Epoisses]

So... you posted a link to one of my favorite songs yesterday and you like fantasy... I'll like that about you..... but theologically.... your going to regret pulling out your tiny silver dagger...

#Peter Pan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JylbxFYc83k

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JylbxFYc83k

On these matters... we clearly agree.

# : )

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

I found a wonderful article on why this false doctrine was created. It was written over 6 years ago by a very bright man.

Spoiler

When some of the early church leaders saw Jerusalem destroyed in the second Jewish revolt (A.D. 132-135) and the Jews excluded from Jerusalem upon penalty of death, they reasoned that the nation of Israel was apparently beyond any hope of recovery. Tertullian wrote:

"The Jews are scattered wanderers, excluded from their own land of Judea; this shows how they erred and forsook their calling, and how Judaism has been, therefore, superceded by Christianity" (The Apology).

These Gentile converts saw the condition of Israel, destroyed and seemingly beyond any hope of recovery, and reasoned that they would never be restored, in spite of the clear Revelation from God that ethnic Israel has not been cast away. Tertullian was not alone in this belief, as witnessed by the words of Justin Martyr in his conversation with the Jew Trypho:

"For the prophetical gifts remain with us, even at the present time. And hence you ought to understand that [the gifts] formerly among your nation have been transferred to us" (Dialogue of Justin with Trypho, a Jew, Chapter 82).

These men ASSUMED that God had cast away Israel. Their false belief was not based on the Scriptures but instead on what they saw and reasoned had happened.

Noted church historian W.H.C. Frend observes that with this second fall of Jerusalem, "all hope of a restored Temple and Holy City now faded, and the Jews were thrown on to the defensive. The reference of the prophecies to an earthly restoration of the Jewish kingdom and Messiah in the form of a deliverer from Rome rule had to be abandoned" ("The Old Testament in the Age of the Greek Apologists A.D.130-180"; Scottish Journal of Theology, 26).

Because the early Gentile Christians did not believe that national Israel would be restored they were left with a problem. How could they explain the following verses:

"And I saw another angel ascending from the east…Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel" (Rev. 7: 2-4).

According to their ideas the reference to "Israel" here could not be speaking of a restored nation of Israel so they reasoned that these verses must be in respect to the Church, which is His Body. They assumed that God had forever cast away national Israel, and the church had taken her place. Cyprian stated his belief that "the Jews, according to what had been foretold, had departed from God, and had lost God's favor while the Christians succeeded to their place" (Cyprian, Treatise 12-Three Books of Testimony Against the Jews).

So we can see that some of the people in the early church put what they saw with their eyes ABOVE what the Scriptures actually say. That explains how the false teaching that the Church is "spiritual Israel" came into existence.

In His grace,
*****

I bet if you ask [MENTION=10]Jerry Shugart[/MENTION] who wrote this article really nicely... he might just know the author.

 

[Epoisses]

No Spiritual Israel means no Gentiles in the kingdom!!!

The new covenant promise is only for the house of Judah and the house of Israel.

We know the Holy Spirit was given to the Gentiles in the book of Acts so they either fall into the house of Judah or the house of Israel.

Converted Jews belong to the house of Judah and converted Gentiles fall into the house of Israel.

The house of Judah is higher than the house of Israel indicating that converted Jews are higher than converted Gentiles in God's economy - the church was started by ethnic and converted Jews.

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

No Spiritual Israel means no Gentiles in the kingdom!!!

The new covenant promise is only for the house of Judah and the house of Israel.

We know the Holy Spirit was given to the Gentiles in the book of Acts so they either fall into the house of Judah or the house of Israel.

Converted Jews belong to the house of Judah and converted Gentiles fall into the house of Israel.

The house of Judah is higher than the house of Israel indicating that converted Jews are higher than converted Gentiles in God's economy - the church was started by ethnic and converted Jews.

Oh my!?!

Just when I thought you couldn't be more entertaining... I stand... corrected.

Jesus pretty much killed our collective dreams in Lk. 21:24 if that's true!

#Woa is me! Woooooaaaa iiiissss mmmmeeee :_(

: )

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

No Spiritual Israel means no Gentiles in the kingdom!!!

The new covenant promise is only for the house of Judah and the house of Israel.

We know the Holy Spirit was given to the Gentiles in the book of Acts so they either fall into the house of Judah or the house of Israel.

Converted Jews belong to the house of Judah and converted Gentiles fall into the house of Israel.

The house of Judah is higher than the house of Israel indicating that converted Jews are higher than converted Gentiles in God's economy - the church was started by ethnic and converted Jews.

Wow!!! So you agree with [MENTION=10]Jerry Shugart[/MENTION] and his Acts 2 thread! Awesome.

Ps... God favors no man... so... please fix your post.

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

I found a wonderful article on why this false doctrine was created. It was written over 6 years ago by a very bright man.

Spoiler

When some of the early church leaders saw Jerusalem destroyed in the second Jewish revolt (A.D. 132-135) and the Jews excluded from Jerusalem upon penalty of death, they reasoned that the nation of Israel was apparently beyond any hope of recovery. Tertullian wrote:

"The Jews are scattered wanderers, excluded from their own land of Judea; this shows how they erred and forsook their calling, and how Judaism has been, therefore, superceded by Christianity" (The Apology).

These Gentile converts saw the condition of Israel, destroyed and seemingly beyond any hope of recovery, and reasoned that they would never be restored, in spite of the clear Revelation from God that ethnic Israel has not been cast away. Tertullian was not alone in this belief, as witnessed by the words of Justin Martyr in his conversation with the Jew Trypho:

"For the prophetical gifts remain with us, even at the present time. And hence you ought to understand that [the gifts] formerly among your nation have been transferred to us" (Dialogue of Justin with Trypho, a Jew, Chapter 82).

These men ASSUMED that God had cast away Israel. Their false belief was not based on the Scriptures but instead on what they saw and reasoned had happened.

Noted church historian W.H.C. Frend observes that with this second fall of Jerusalem, "all hope of a restored Temple and Holy City now faded, and the Jews were thrown on to the defensive. The reference of the prophecies to an earthly restoration of the Jewish kingdom and Messiah in the form of a deliverer from Rome rule had to be abandoned" ("The Old Testament in the Age of the Greek Apologists A.D.130-180"; Scottish Journal of Theology, 26).

Because the early Gentile Christians did not believe that national Israel would be restored they were left with a problem. How could they explain the following verses:

"And I saw another angel ascending from the east…Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel" (Rev. 7: 2-4).

According to their ideas the reference to "Israel" here could not be speaking of a restored nation of Israel so they reasoned that these verses must be in respect to the Church, which is His Body. They assumed that God had forever cast away national Israel, and the church had taken her place. Cyprian stated his belief that "the Jews, according to what had been foretold, had departed from God, and had lost God's favor while the Christians succeeded to their place" (Cyprian, Treatise 12-Three Books of Testimony Against the Jews).

So we can see that some of the people in the early church put what they saw with their eyes ABOVE what the Scriptures actually say. That explains how the false teaching that the Church is "spiritual Israel" came into existence.

In His grace,
*****

I bet if you ask [MENTION=10]Jerry Shugart[/MENTION] who wrote this article really nicely... he might just know the author.

 

[Interplanner]

Wow!!! So you agree with [MENTION=10]Jerry Shugart[/MENTION] and his Acts 2 thread! Awesome.

Ps... God favors no man... so... please fix your post.

But his post is seeing divisions where we should not. This is where you have to be experienced in the Word and know whether there are divisions it wants or does not want. "Is Christ divided?" I Cor 1.

 

[Epoisses]

Oh my!?!

Just when I thought you couldn't be more entertaining... I stand... corrected.

Jesus pretty much killed our collective dreams in Lk. 21:24 if that's true!

#Woa is me! Woooooaaaa iiiissss mmmmeeee :_(

: )

The times of the Gentiles are 42 months or three and a half years during the end-time, numbskull Rev. 11:2

 

[Epoisses]

But his post is seeing divisions where we should not. This is where you have to be experienced in the Word and know whether there are divisions it wants or does not want. "Is Christ divided?" I Cor 1.

Preterists have no experience like Interplanner, just Jesuit indoctrination. Is your allegiance to the pope or to the word of God?

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

But his post is seeing divisions where we should not. This is where you have to be experienced in the Word and know whether there are divisions it wants or does not want. "Is Christ divided?" I Cor 1.

The times of the Gentiles are 42 months or three and a half years during the end-time, numbskull Rev. 11:2

Preterists have no experience like Interplanner, just Jesuit indoctrination. Is your allegiance to the pope or to the word of God?

When you can dismember this string of scripture that is utterly literal and clear, with perfect continuity... successfully, I'll answer any of your other questions. I'm getting weary of wasting my time.

Spoiler

John 16:12 “I still have many things to tell you, but you can’t bear them now.

Luke 21:20 “However, when you see Yerushalayim surrounded by armies, then you are to understand that she is about to be destroyed.

Luke 21:21-23 Those in Y’hudah must escape to the hills, those inside the city must get out, and those in the country must not enter it. For these are the days of vengeance, when everything that has been written in the Tanakh will come true. What a terrible time it will be for pregnant women and nursing mothers! For there will be great distress in the Land and judgment on the people.

Luke 21:4 Some will fall by the edge of the sword, others will be carried into all the countries of the Goyim, and Yerushalayim will be trampled down by the Goyim until the age of the Goyim has run its course. Romans 11:24-27 For if you were cut out of what is by nature a wild olive tree and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, ! For, brothers, I want you to understand this truth which God formerly concealed but has now revealed, so that you won’t imagine you know more than you actually do. It is that stoniness, to a degree, has come upon Isra’el, until the Gentile world enters in its fullness; and that it is in this way that all Isra’el will be saved. As the Tanakh says, “Out of Tziyon will come the Redeemer; he will turn away ungodliness from Ya‘akov and this will be my covenant with them, . . . when I take away their sins.”

Luke 21:27-28 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with tremendous power and glory. When these things start to happen, stand up and hold your heads high; because you are about to be liberated!”

Acts 1:10-12 As they were staring into the sky after him, suddenly they saw two men dressed in white standing next to them. The men said, “You Galileans! Why are you standing, staring into space? This Yeshua, who has been taken away from you into heaven, will come back to you in just the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” Then they returned the Shabbat-walk distance from the Mount of Olives to Yerushalayim.

Zechariah 14:2-5 “For I will gather all the nations against Yerushalayim for war. The city will be taken, the houses will be rifled, the women will be raped, and half the city will go into exile; but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city.” Then Adonai will go out and fight against those nations, fighting as on a day of battle. On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which lies to the east of Yerushalayim; and the Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, to make a huge valley. Half of the mountain will move toward the north, and half of it toward the south. You will flee to the valley in the mountains, for the valley in the mountains will reach to Atzel. You will flee, just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of ‘Uziyah king of Y’hudah. Then Adonai my God will come to you with all the holy ones.

Joel 4:9-12 “Proclaim this among the nations: ‘Prepare for war! Rouse the warriors! Let all the fighting men approach and attack.’ Hammer your plow-blades into swords and your pruning-knives into spears. Let the weak say, ‘I am strong.’ Hurry, come, you surrounding nations, gather yourselves together!” Bring your warriors down, Adonai! “Let the nations be roused and come up to the Valley of Y’hoshafat Adonai judges. For there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations.”

Joel 4:1-2,3 “For then, at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Y’hudah and Yerushalayim, I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Y’hoshafat Adonai judges. I will enter into judgment there for my people, my heritage Isra’el, whom they scattered among the nations; then they divided my land. 2:32 At that time, whoever calls on the name of Adonai will be saved. For in Mount Tziyon and Yerushalayim there will be those who escape, as Adonai has promised; among the survivors will be those whom Adonai has called.

Revelation 20:11-15 Next I saw a great white throne and the One sitting on it. Earth and heaven fled from his presence, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, both great and small, standing in front of the throne. Books were opened; and another book was opened, the Book of Life; and the dead were judged from what was written in the books, according to what they had done. The sea gave up the dead in it; and Death and Sh’ol gave up the dead in them; and they were judged, each according to what he had done. Then Death and Sh’ol were hurled into the lake of fire. This is the second death — the lake of fire. Anyone whose name was not found written in the Book of Life was hurled into the lake of fire.

Joel 2:1-3 Joel 4:9-12 “Blow the shofar in Tziyon! Sound an alarm on my holy mountain!” Let all living in the land tremble, for the Day of Adonai is coming! It’s upon us! — a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick fog; a great and mighty horde is spreading like blackness over the mountains. There has never been anything like it, nor will there ever be again, not even after the years of many generations. Ahead of them a fire devours, behind them a flame consumes; ahead the land is like Gan-‘Eden, behind them a desert waste. From them there is no escape. “Proclaim this among the nations: ‘Prepare for war! Rouse the warriors! Let all the fighting men approach and attack.’ Hammer your plow-blades into swords and your pruning-knives into spears. Let the weak say, ‘I am strong.’ Hurry, come, you surrounding nations, gather yourselves together!” Bring your warriors down, Adonai! “Let the nations be roused and come up to the Valley of Y’hoshafat Adonai judges. For there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations.”

Revelation 21:3-4, 22-23 I heard a loud voice from the throne say, “See! God’s Sh’khinah is with mankind, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and he himself, God-with-them, will be their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes. There will no longer be any death; and there will no longer be any mourning, crying or pain; because the old order has passed away.” I saw no Temple in the city, for Adonai, God of heaven’s armies, is its Temple, as is the Lamb. The city has no need for the sun or the moon to shine on it, because God’s Sh’khinah gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb.

Joel 3:5 Joel 2:27 2:32 At that time, whoever calls on the name of Adonai will be saved. For in Mount Tziyon and Yerushalayim there will be those who escape, as Adonai has promised; among the survivors will be those whom Adonai has called. You will know that I am with Isra’el and that I am Adonai your God, and that there is no other. Then my people will never again be shamed.

 

[Epoisses]

When you can dismember this string of scripture that is utterly literal and clear, with perfect continuity... successfully, I'll answer any of your other questions. I'm getting weary of wasting my time.

Spoiler

You've been to thoroughly beaten down I'm surprised you have the courage to keep on posting! The entire book of Romans is an explanation of the promise of God going to the children of faith/spirit not to the children of the flesh/law. Christian Zionists are frauds and hucksters who have no faith and are reaping the terrible fruit of their false prophet John Darby. The kingdom of God belongs to Israel of the Spirit and that's not you! Go home and cry for your unbelief.

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

You've been to thoroughly beaten down I'm surprised you have the courage to keep on posting! The entire book of Romans is an explanation of the promise of God going to the children of faith/spirit not to the children of the flesh/law. Christian Zionists are frauds and hucksters who have no faith and are reaping the terrible fruit of their false prophet John Darby. The kingdom of God belongs to Israel of the Spirit and that's not you! Go home and cry for your unbelief.

Whatever you say, "Wimp Lo"...

Nice response to the scripture I posted which remains fully uncontested by you or your Peter Pan friend.

And... We don't believe what scripture says isn't an acceptable rebuttal... hint...

Evil.Grin.<(I)>

 

[Lazy afternoon]

You've been to thoroughly beaten down I'm surprised you have the courage to keep on posting! The entire book of Romans is an explanation of the promise of God going to the children of faith/spirit not to the children of the flesh/law. Christian Zionists are frauds and hucksters who have no faith and are reaping the terrible fruit of their false prophet John Darby. The kingdom of God belongs to Israel of the Spirit and that's not you! Go home and cry for your unbelief.

Exactly right.

LA

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

Exactly right.

LA

Oh to live in your fantasy world...

# On second thought... nope. You keep it.

# Luke 13:8 ... ; )
# Biblical "Dig"

 

[God's Truth]

The OP title says it all and I'm going to pour all of my energy into this OP! I mean this one!

Replacement Theology... From the mouth of Satan to the ear of the naive church!

Did you ever think that maybe it is you who are doing Satan’s works?

The Body of Christ and Literal Israel are two separate matters at the current.

Jesus took on all of the Sins of Humanity! He bore our sin, thus we are Spiritual Edom!

We are Esau declared saved by Christ's Devine Sacrifice only!

You have it backwards. We are as Jacob. We are the second born. Esau is the firstborn and Jacob is the second born. Earthly Israel is the firstborn; those born in God are Jacob, the second born.

What else is there to say! We were charged to look after our Widowed Mother...

Israel! And... the doctrine of Spiritual Israel is a Demon breathed lie that has destroyed our understanding of this matter.

We are treated like Israel by God, because we are the "Gentile" light on the hill.

Sure... in Christ, there is no Jew and Gentile... but Literal Israel is still Spiritual Israel... and the Lion of Judah might be warming up His roar....

So... I'm full scale laying into the Demon Doctrine many Love to learn and teach...

Leaning in and whispering... "you're welcome"

You would have to have understanding and you do not.

 

[beloved57]

Spiritual Israel is the Lord's Israel, Israel Abraham's physical seed are not the Children of God Rom 9:8

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