"Son of Man"
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Here is an excellent clue for you. It was the term that Jesus used the most to speak about himself during his Earthly Ministry to Israel. But the term never appears even once in any of Paul's Epistles.
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Jesus does not need to "partner with God" since He is God.
But you believe that he is human as well, right? Or do you believe Jesus is not and never was human?
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Jesus is God and Man. He is God in the flesh as the Bible says.
See John 1, The Word was God and the Word was made flesh.
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Define a human.
Well then, the human Jesus can partner with God, just like the human Jesus died.
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Once again, for the hard of hearing, Jesus does not need to "partner with God" as HE IS GOD.
So, you don't believe Jesus died?
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God died on the cross.
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Please stop being a moron, thanks.
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I think you're asking too much of him.
Define "died."
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Different than who?
The term "the Son of man" has to do with Christ's dominion over the earth.
That's why Paul never once uses that term in any of his epistles.
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Bradley D
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Different than the truth. The Jews were looking for a earthly Son of Man who would restore their Kingdom. Not a "Son of Man" who would be lifted up tp heaven.
Greetings Bradley D and Right Divider,
Psalm 8:4–6 (KJV): 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
Psalm 80:17 (KJV): Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself.
Psalm 8 uses the language and framework of Genesis 1-3 and the creation of man to speak of the development of The Son of Man who would fulfil the role of Ruler over the earth, replacing Adam who failed. Jesus is the firstborn of the new creation.
John 12:32–34 (KJV): 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33 This he said, signifying what death he should die. 34 The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?
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Trevor
Jesus is both the Son of God and the Son of Man. The title “the Son of Man” first appears in Psalm 8, and this is stating that Jesus is a son of Adam:
Psalm 8:4–6 (KJV): 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
Psalm 80:17 (KJV): Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself.
Psalm 8 uses the language and framework of Genesis 1-3 and the creation of man to speak of the development of The Son of Man who would fulfil the role of Ruler over the earth, replacing Adam who failed. Jesus is the firstborn of the new creation.
Yes, I agree and Psalm 8 describes this, and 1 Corinthians 15 also teaches that Jesus will fulfil this role of "The Son of Man" as described in Psalm 8.
Yes it is true that after his resurrection Jesus has been exalted to heaven to sit at God’s right hand, but the lifting up in John 12 is firstly speaking about his being lifted up in crucifixion:
John 12:32–34 (KJV): 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33 This he said, signifying what death he should die. 34 The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?
Kind regards
Trevor
"’Tis myst’ry all: th’ Immortal dies:
Who can explore His strange design?
In vain the firstborn seraph tries
To sound the depths of love divine.
’Tis mercy all! Let earth adore,
Let angel minds inquire no more."
It's been known for quite some time that this is a logical inconsistency.
No where in the Bible does it say that God died. One has to force the belief "Jesus is God" onto the Bible and then replace the word Jesus with God when it suits one's whims.
"lifted-up" refers to his method of death. This is explicitly stated by John 12:33.