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On Fire said:No - none.
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On Fire said:No - none.
On Fire said:No - none.
Gerald said:Chapter and verse, please?
You're not a dispensationalist by any chance, are you?
Imrahil said:Granite said:Ooooh, so what other people have done automatically tells you what I would do and I'm a coward for not realizing it! I get it now. :doh:
Yes, you are. By nature and self-admission Christians are children and sheep. You and others would go along for the ride. You people always have and always will. Get a clue and learn about what your brethern have done in the past.
Can you cite a single example of the church's political power going unabused? If not, why should your faith's track record not be called into question?
Imrahil said:Homosexuality was a capital crime under God's law. As was adultery, murder, rape, and kidnapping. Do you support the death penalty for any of those crimes?
Imrahil said:It isn't found in a single verse but in an understanding of the Bible. God set Israel aside to be His chosen people to reach the world. Idolatry, witchcraft and other sins of that nature were punished so severely because it was essential that Israel remain true to God in order to fulfill His plan. Unfortunately, they did not remain true and their status as the chosen people was taken away. Now, those laws concerning only Israel are not in effect because they have been cut off.
Good point, though some sects seem to take it further than others.BillyBob said:Every Christian is a dispensationalist, otherwise they'd be Jewish. :doh:
MY Father sent Jesus to this Earth as an example. Jesus never killed. He taught us that all life is precious. All life. Criminals should be punished, of course, but not murdered.erinmarie said:Okay, let me get this straight.... (no pun intended, of course).
You don't believe in the death penalty at all? You don't believe that a convicted murderer should be put to death under the law of our country and the law of Our Father? hmmm.....
On Fire said:MY Father sent Jesus to this Earth as an example. Jesus never killed. He taught us that all life is precious. All life. Criminals should be punished, of course, but not murdered.
I believe the Right to "Life" folks would argue that so long as the gay person is in utero, then their life matters to God. It's only after they are born that they become expendable. :dizzy:The Berean said:Well, if homosexuality is genetic then it is possible that a DNA screening test could be given to a fetus. Then the parents could have an abortion if they don't want to have a "gay" baby, right?
But Jesus did uphold the Law, including the capital crimes therein, and rebuked those who disregarded the Law in favor of their own tradition.On Fire said:MY Father sent Jesus to this Earth as an example. Jesus never killed.
He never punished any criminal in any way. (Which is not surprising, since He did not come as a governing authority). But you do agree that some sins are crimes and that criminals should be punished. So this same argument you've made against us could just as easily be made against you.MY Father sent Jesus to this Earth as an example. Jesus never killed.
See the red text above. Also, when one of the criminals being executed with Christ mocked him, the other criminal was repentant. And he said that Jesus was innocent but they were receiving their just punishment. Jesus did not correct him, and the Holy Spirit inspired the repentant criminal's statement to be recorded in Scripture. (See Luke 23:39-43)He taught us that all life is precious. All life.
What standard should be used to determine what should be a crime, and what punishment is appropriate for each crime?Criminals should be punished, of course,
A government carrying out its God-given responsibility to execute a murder does not commit murder. (See Romans 13:1-4)but not murdered.
Shouldn't he then have been the one to "cast the first stone?"Turbo said:But Jesus did uphold the Law, including the capital crimes therein...
No.shilohproject said:
Shouldn't he then have been the one to "cast the first stone?"
But government was established by God and what the government does is only a reflection of God... :think:On Fire said:MY Father sent Jesus to this Earth as an example. Jesus never killed. He taught us that all life is precious. All life. Criminals should be punished, of course, but not murdered.
Because murder is wrong.Granite said:Why is this suggestion of the Berean's so offensive?
"Well, if homosexuality is genetic then it is possible that a DNA screening test could be given to a fetus. Then the parents could have an abortion if they don't want to have a 'gay' baby, right?"
Why do you assume that slaughtering babies sends them all straight to heaven?What is worse: allowing a gay person to be born and potentially go to hell or sending them straight to heaven?
Turbo said:Because murder is wrong.
Why do you assume that slaughtering babies sends them all straight to heaven?
Newsflash: At birth, everyone (not just so-called "gay babies") has the potential to go hell when they eventually die.
For the record, I don't believe that aborted children all go to hell. Nor do I think they'll be forced to go to heaven.Granite said:That said, the idea that aborted children go to hell is one of the more sickening conclusions of Christian dogma.
Turbo said:Because murder is wrong.
Why do you assume that slaughtering babies sends them all straight to heaven?
Newsflash: At birth, everyone (not just so-called "gay babies") has the potential to go hell when they eventually die.