And at fault is the liberal, who prefers to talk race, religion, medication and health in his desperation to avoid justice.
Shooting at SC Church During Bible Study - Suspect still at large
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And at fault is the liberal, who prefers to talk race, religion, medication and health in his desperation to avoid justice.
rainee
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I don't know if any body wants to hear this
But I figure you are looking at the first and hopefully last weak one to succumb to the evil one's going about looking to destroy.
My heart broke and I am still crying at the loss of those precious believers who were murdered but when some spoke at the bond hearing I was ashamed at how strong their faith was - or how strong they were willing for it to be. Ashamed because I want to be that strong.
And I wonder at The Lord that He would so have it that if one were going to break under the deceiving tempting spirit and do this terrible murderous thing it would be those of us - the believers - that would be killed and leave this world and loved ones and friends...
But the shooter? Look closely because he believed a lie and it so suited the anger of man that he went down like blade of grass under a scythe, IMHO
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But I figure you are looking at the first and hopefully last weak one to succumb to the evil one's going about looking to destroy.
My heart broke and I am still crying at the loss of those precious believers who were murdered but when some spoke at the bond hearing I was ashamed at how strong their faith was - or how strong they were willing for it to be. Ashamed because I want to be that strong.
And I wonder at The Lord that He would so have it that if one were going to break under the deceiving tempting spirit and do this terrible murderous thing it would be those of us - the believers - that would be killed and leave this world and loved ones and friends...
But the shooter? Look closely because he believed a lie and it so suited the anger of man that he went down like blade of grass under a scythe, IMHO
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Alate_One
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Not just lowered, removed. This event is evidence of ongoing hatred in the community.
The head of the NAACP has called for the flag to be removed:
| "We say this not because we're trying to sow division, but rather because we're trying to sow unity — a unity of purpose, a unity of commitment, a unity of resolve — so that we confront the racism in our midst. "And that means, certainly symbolically, we cannot have the Confederate flag waving in the state capitol." |
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jeffblue101
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with all this talk about the second amendment, how do liberals on this forum reconcile the fact that all gun restriction laws that they wanted passed wouldn't have stopped Dylann Roof from using his legally obtained .45-caliber handgun. I've also noticed the bias in the media reporting on gun used since it wasn't an "evil assault" rifle.
jeffblue101
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correction to my last post, it looks like Roof did not have a legal right to a gun with a past criminal history.
http://bearingarms.com/might-stopped-charleston-church-shooter-dylann-storm-roof/
http://bearingarms.com/might-stopped-charleston-church-shooter-dylann-storm-roof/
This Charming Manc
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lol .. you assume alot ...
id scrap the 2nd amendment and ban the lot.
your murder rates significantly higher than most similar developed countries, the number of guns in circulation and your gun culture are the main reasons why.
is private ownerships of guns worth 8000 american lives net every year?
id scrap the 2nd amendment and ban the lot.
your murder rates significantly higher than most similar developed countries, the number of guns in circulation and your gun culture are the main reasons why.
is private ownerships of guns worth 8000 american lives net every year?
Nope. Demonstrably untrue.
The reason is the combination of easy access to weapons and regulations that keep law-abiding people unarmed.
Instead of demanding justice and a redaction of the regulations that brought about this crime, liberals want a flag removed.
lain:jeffblue101
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so would the Nazis, Mao's communist China, white slave owners, and any other human rights oppressive regime.
I made this post in 2012 when the sandy hook shootings took place but its worth re-posting.
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3301020&postcount=179
there simply isn't a universal correlation between gun ownership and homicide.
Alate_One
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Instead of demanding justice and a redaction of the regulations that brought about this crime, liberals want a flag removed.
There's no "instead of", it's "in addition to". Though I don't agree that any regulations need removed. Guns are already incredibly easy access. They should either be restricted more or people that have them need to have better education as to how to use them.
Alate_One
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Hmm so in your definition, regulation of guns is always bad?
Ever read the US constitution?
| A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. |
You have not thought through this issue even slightly.
Adding an "education" requirement is a restriction. Adding restrictions is adding to the problem.
Guns are widely accessible. Regulations mean the people who respect the rule of law are at a disadvantage in situations like OP.
If you're looking for a solution to OP, you're going in exactly the wrong direction.
And the false flag issue you raised was entirely worthless.
Evolutionists love false dichotomies.
Alate_One
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Why? Do you think every child old enough to hold a handgun should have one? Should every single adult have one regardless of cognitive ability, mental stability, criminal record etc.?
Talk about not thinking things through. Hello irony meter, pegged again.
His gun was legally purchased by his father. It was illegal for the shooter to be given or purchase the gun himself since he had pending felony charges against him.
Making something illegal or restricted means it is more difficult to get, most importantly quickly. Someone that wants a gun quickly probably isn't wanting to use it for a good purpose.
Some people will always get guns illegally. The question is how to regulate them effectively. Despite your protestations, most developed countries other than the USA have very few deaths from gun violence. There's a reason for that.
False flag? I was talking about a *literal* flag. :doh:
False? You've been railing on how gun regulation is always bad through this entire thread!
I appreciate that you are desperate for something to talk about that is not the simple point I made, but your rabbit trails will not avail you.
Therefore, something. :idunno:
Or you could be a black man sitting in a church.
Because they do not have the situation I described. Regulations are the problem. When you're willing to be part of the solution, let us know. :up:
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Nope. Regulations are not inherently bad. However, they are never an answer to evil.
The only shocking thing is that it isn't shocking. We are a country founded on and built by racist violence, and there are a lot of people who haven't let it go yet. In fact, there are many in denial about it in the first place, or who think it's all in the past. That the Confederate flag flies over the state is really just the most prominent example of this nostalgia for the ugly past, but there are a lot more.
Consider this. Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church is located on Calhoun street. I don't know for sure, but I would bet that it's named after this fellow (https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=John_C._Calhoun), a segregationist who supported secession and sang the virtues of slavery. In order to write a letter of condolence to the church, a mourner, in addressing the letter, would have to pay small homage to a person who stood for the very racial violence that has hurt that church time and again for the almost two-hundred years it has existed. And Calhoun isn't the only street. Every day that the congregation attends, they see the signs, approved by the state and the city, of their own deliberate, official alienation from the community.
When this shooter was taken to prison, he was placed in a cell next to a man who was a cop, who will soon stand trial for shooting an unarmed black man as he ran away. When you hear young man, a millennial, who's been largely raised under a black president, sound like a KKK member from the 1950s, you have to conclude that there's a pattern. The symbols of the old confederacy matter, because they reinforce the same old patterns of race relations and the marginalization of black community members. It's really time to take them down. There were nine killed in the terrorist attack on this church, and a town that really could use some new street names. It's not a panacea, but it's a start, and it would really be a meaningful sign of solidarity that officialdom could show for the congregants if their sympathy is more than for the camera.
Consider this. Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church is located on Calhoun street. I don't know for sure, but I would bet that it's named after this fellow (https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=John_C._Calhoun), a segregationist who supported secession and sang the virtues of slavery. In order to write a letter of condolence to the church, a mourner, in addressing the letter, would have to pay small homage to a person who stood for the very racial violence that has hurt that church time and again for the almost two-hundred years it has existed. And Calhoun isn't the only street. Every day that the congregation attends, they see the signs, approved by the state and the city, of their own deliberate, official alienation from the community.
When this shooter was taken to prison, he was placed in a cell next to a man who was a cop, who will soon stand trial for shooting an unarmed black man as he ran away. When you hear young man, a millennial, who's been largely raised under a black president, sound like a KKK member from the 1950s, you have to conclude that there's a pattern. The symbols of the old confederacy matter, because they reinforce the same old patterns of race relations and the marginalization of black community members. It's really time to take them down. There were nine killed in the terrorist attack on this church, and a town that really could use some new street names. It's not a panacea, but it's a start, and it would really be a meaningful sign of solidarity that officialdom could show for the congregants if their sympathy is more than for the camera.
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