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IMJerusha

IMJerusha

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intojoy said:
Pathetic
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intojoy said:
The difference between our faith and every other belief system is the difference between "advice" and "news". Yeshua didn't just come to give advice. He came to bear our debt, to pay for the penalty of our sins (the wages of sin is death), so that we could be free to forgive one another as he forgave us. Its not advice that is the message of the bible, but it is news, good news. The news that God has intervened on our behalf, and has provided forgiveness for our sins.
We are beings that need unconditional all accepting love. Our problem is that none of us know how to give this kind of love because all of our love is conditional in some way and is self serving. But God who is the embodiment of love, and who does not need love, became a willing sacrifice and gave his life as a ransom for sin. Why? Because we needed love. And so that we could receive the kind of love we as beings so desperately needed - unconditional, accepting love and so that we could become the kind of people he created us to be.

It's not what we can do for God but what He has done for us. He entered "our world," He took on
"our humanity," He bore "our sins," He died "our death, "He was resurrected for "our life," He's coming again for "our glorification."
Paul in his letter to the Romans is urging us on the basis of all that he taught on, on the basis of all that has been done, he urges us to become living sacrifices:
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. (Romans 12:1, 2 KJV)

If we have not understood all that the mercies of God has done, if we have not understood doctrinally and theologically deep enough, all that Messiah has accomplished for us, then we have become useless to him. God is calling us to live our lives as living sacrifices unto him. Our problem is, we are so prideful that we are not willing to give up anything for others. When a sacrifice was laid upon the altar there was a great deal of suffering involved, the animal experienced pain and suffering. What are we willing to give up? What are we willing to place upon the altar? So that we can become a blessing to others, and become servants of the Most High God?
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Good question. You're able to identify the problem but you're critical of those who attempt to live sacrificially. It isn't important that we live doctrinally and theologically deep. It's important that we live according to God's Will and the counsel of the Ruach, trusting wholeheartedly in Him. Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." Matthew 18:3 "And he said: 'Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.' " Proverbs 3:5 "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding."
 
IMJerusha

IMJerusha

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jeremysdemo said:
Orthodox Catholic=heretic.
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Just because something is generally accepted, it doesn't mean it's correct and I'm not speaking solely of Catholicism. The safest course of action is to defer to Romans 10:9-10 "If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved." None of us knows the 100% of it short of Yeshua is Lord and Mashiach.
 
jeremysdemo

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IMJerusha said:
Just because something is generally accepted, it doesn't mean it's correct and I'm not speaking solely of Catholicism. The safest course of action is to defer to Romans 10:9-10 "If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved." None of us knows the 100% of it short of Yeshua is Lord and Mashiach.
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I agree, but the very definition of Orthodoxy excludes it from being heresy.

I just don't think Choleric thought this one all the way through before posting.
 
jeremysdemo

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CatholicCrusader said:
Well, his description says "Christian" and "Right Winger". Sadly, that combo can also often mean "anti-Catholic", at least in this forum.
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that is sad.

I think it is foolish to look at such things with myopic eyes.

if it were not for the catholic tradition we would not have the preserved text down the centuries.

I think this whole "heresy" definition Choleric is using is self-serving and incorrect, basically "anyone who disagrees with my interpretation of scripture is a heretic." -even if said person is more on the orthodox side of the fence!

He's never been able to support any of his arguments here in years with scripture, instead when he starts loosing he pulls the heretic trump card.

it's a lot easier to categorize people into groups to discard their collective beliefs than to take a serious look at our own I suppose...
 
jeremysdemo

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IMJerusha said:
To us, I guess, but what does God care? I know you know what I mean.
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Indeed I do.

was it James or Peter who said what true undefiled religion is?

feeding the homeless, taking care of widows orphans, etc.

I didn't see any of that mentioned on his list, instead he thinks he has a better idea than the apostles of what heresy is.
IMJerusha said:
Well, :duh: But some folks just have to have everything and everyone in a box.
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Will I'm glad at least the book does not begin with "in the beginning God created a box and gave it to Choleric". I prefer the way it was written. :)
 
intojoy

intojoy

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IMJerusha said:
Good question. You're able to identify the problem but you're critical of those who attempt to live sacrificially. It isn't important that we live doctrinally and theologically deep. It's important that we live according to God's Will and the counsel of the Ruach, trusting wholeheartedly in Him. Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." Matthew 18:3 "And he said: 'Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.' " Proverbs 3:5 "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding."
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Who is living sacrificially?
Are you? How?
 
1Mind1Spirit

1Mind1Spirit

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17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise .

18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.

19 Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar.
 
Nanja

Nanja

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God's Sons (1 John 3:1 KJV), Born of the Spirit, and made Righteous
by the Death of Jesus Christ, offer Him Spiritual sacrifices continually!


Psalm 134:1 Behold, bless ye the LORD, all ye servants of the LORD,
which by night stand in the house of the LORD. (Psalm 27:4)

Psalm 54:6 I will freely sacrifice unto thee: I will praise thy name, O LORD; for it is good.

Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy
lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Heb. 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually,
that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

Rom. 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present
your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

~~~~~
 
IMJerusha

IMJerusha

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intojoy said:
Who is living sacrificially?
Are you? How?
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Every Christian must live to some extent sacrificially. That's what Paul calls striving for the prize. Each and every time we choose not to sin we are living sacrificially...dying to sin. When we put others before ourselves we are living sacrificially. When we offer a loving attitude instead of a hateful one, we are living sacrificially. When we attempt to be like Yeshua we are living sacrificially.
 
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