Salvation is by grace through faith and not of works.
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Shalom Nick M. My name is Jacob. Untellectual was a name I used, but it does not represent me. Shalom. Jacob.
Shalom!
The Bible speaks of God's Law and of God's grace.
The word Torah means instruction.
Shalom.
Jacob
glorydaz
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What insults Him is that you even mention what you do or your own "obedience", as if any good thing you do comes from your own effort.
The law taught grace, and that grace was not earned through your obedience.
It was by accepting that it was only through the spotless substitute being slain, not you.
Let me help you figure it out.
None of your obedience and righteousness paid the price of the penalty for sin.
NONE.
Romans 5:18-19 KJV
(18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
(19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
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Alien Righteousness - That of Our Lord's
Alien Righteousness - That of Our Lord's
Ours is an alien righteousness, that of Another, not of our own.
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Alien Righteousness - That of Our Lord's
Yes.
Ours is an alien righteousness, that of Another, not of our own.
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Jacob...
Spoiler
Check my signature scripture and see if you follow it. The Law shows us our imperfection. Per Moses... the Atonement sacrifice must be without spot or blemish. This is of-coarse... Jesus. I'm well aware you know this. If you keep the Law for the sake of familial tradition and custom... it is Messianic. If you Obey the Law for your salvation... you are offering up a sacrifice that is blemished and thus supersedes Jesus Sacrifice.
Does this make sense?
Shalom in Hashem
That is a cool and clever way to put it! I'm petitioning you for the right to use it in the future.
Epoisses
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The Torah is abolished for believers. The old covenant was a covenant of works that had to be physically performed. The new covenant is a covenant of faith where God blesses me before I do anything so all my works are out of gratitude and never to 'earn' anything. Torah equals Earn the favorite word of a lost world.
Shalom.
Here I only know that it is possible for me, or any given person, to do right or to do the right thing. How do you, or I, or anyone, serve others?
Shalom.
Jacob
Shalom.
I believe that I understand this. Do you understand atonement for individual sins?
Shalom.
Jacob
Shalom.
I do not follow all that you have said here, by way of understanding what you have said (I do not understand it all). However, I do understand that Jesus, the just, died for me and you and everyone, the unjust.
Shalom.
Jacob
Shalom. I can say that I do not understand your words. However, a gift from or of God is a gift, not earned.
Shalom.
Jacob
Ahhhhh... okay... So you see that we are "guilty" by the Law, and He took our condemnation. Then... you see that He paid your debt in full?
glorydaz
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That's true. Any given person, even unbelievers, can do good things, and they can even serve others, but those things won't save them. Those things won't make up for the wrong they have done.
glorydaz
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What he doesn't see is what Thomas saw.
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Oh..... oh my! I had never caught this. Thank you. Wow!
Shalom. Certainly you are guilty by the Law. Only Yeshua never broke it. This is how He could pay the penalty for your sin. Shalom.
Jacob