ECT Romans 8:29-30: Whom He Did Foreknow...
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beloved57
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What about it? It shows that God's Election purpose of individuals isn't based upon anything He foreseen about the person!
Jerry God is the Alpha and Omega, he created time, and this very second my fingers are hitting this keyboard in response, he created the same when Pharaohs heart was hardened, when all make a confession to salvation.
Jerry we are inside this created time, and are following the future guidance in biblical direction.
Does God know every last person that will be called and saved, the elect and chosen, "absolutely"
Jerry I don't see how you can deny this fact, it's biblically as plain as day.To deny this, is to deny God is all knowing?
Romans 9:17-24KJV
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Jerry Shugart
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I agree with all that but that doesn't change the facts I pointed out about Romans 8:29-30.
Jerry Shugart
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So how does that relate to Romans 8:29-30?
beloved57
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Duh it's obvious, they're the ones God loves! Rom 8:29-30 have nothing to do with them God does not love or know!
Jerry Shugart
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The subject is those who love God, not those God loves.
God loves the world:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (Jn.3:16).
God loves the world:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (Jn.3:16).
Jerry Shugart
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So when the Father sent the Son into the world he didn't love the world?:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (Jn.3:16).
Jerry Shugart
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Do you affirm that when the Father sent the Son into the world that He loved the world?
You accused me of perverting the meaning of John 316 so tell me exactly how I perverted it.
beloved57
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Did I say that?
Jerry Shugart
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Do you deny that you said the following to me?:
Tell me exactly how I used John 3:16 deceitfully.
beloved57
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Did I say that? Be honest, dishonesty is unbecoming one who claims to be a christian.
Jerry Shugart
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Yes, you said it on post #30 on this thread. So here are your words again:
So please tell me exactly how I used John 3:16 deceitfully.
And I agree with you that dishonesty is unbecoming one who claims to be a christian. If anyone is being dishonest it is you, not me.
beloved57
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Jerry Shugart
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I will give you another chance. On post #30 on this thread you said the following:
Do you deny that you wrote that? Are you capable of answering that question truthfully?
beloved57
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Where did I write that? See post 32