When Romans 13 is not rightly divided, people end up concluding that secular governments were ordained by God.
That for instance, God ordained Stalin to murder about 30 million people, many who might have been Christians.
God does not use evil to accomplish good.
If man chooses evil over God's goodness, God lets them reap what they have sown.
If they learn how wrong they are, good, but God lets you reap what you sow.
When we sow evil, we reap evil.
When we sow hate, we reap hate.
When we sow good, we reap good.
When we sow to God's spiritual realities, we reap everlasting rewards.
When we subject ourselves to the leaders and rulers in the church that God ordained, then we receive the benefits of being lead in a good way, the way of holiness.
When we believe that God supplies our need from believing the written logos of God as taught by the functioning rulers, the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers that God ordained, then we can truly receive and live in the abundance and power that God promised
I've run across what you are asserting, before, oatmeal; so it is not new to me.
In fact, I ran across it long ago.
But that is not what Romans 13 is talking about.
The Apostle Paul's point was in light of the fact that God had long since ordained a system of government over a society, way back in Genesis.
Though said system could not but end up corrupt in fallen man, nevertheless the concept behind said system - of a powers that be over a society - had been His will; until He replaces it with His own, one day.
This three-fold principle as a Principle, is readily apparent in various passages throughout the Scripture, the following ones of which are merely a sampling...
Matthew 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: 21:34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. 21:35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. 21:36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. 21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. 21:39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? 21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. 21:46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.
In the above, the powers that were over Israel, had been ordained of God, but they had corrupted it.
Nevertheless, it was the fact that their system of rule had been of God, and that accorded with Moses, that the Israelite was to allow to continue to compel him to go by...
Matthew 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Until the following...
Matthew 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matt. 19: 28 there, is a sister passage to the transfer of power or rule over Israel being referred to in Matt. 21:43.
How do I know?
Another, passage sister to those...
Luke 12:31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you. 12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. 12:33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. 12:34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
And there was also this, in place at that time...over Israel...
John 19:10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee? 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
There was that - over Israel and those nations - but there was also that under man's corruption...
19:12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar. 19:13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.
Nevertheless, we read of accounts of their submitting to said powers that be...
Acts 25:10 Then said Paul, I stand at Caesar's judgment seat, where I ought to be judged: to the Jews have I done no wrong, as thou very well knowest. 25:11 For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I appeal unto Caesar. 25:12 Then Festus, when he had conferred with the council, answered, Hast thou appealed unto Caesar? unto Caesar shalt thou go.
No, oatmeal; I am more than very familiar with your erroneous assertion "about" the supposed "actual" sense of Romans 13.
Though all those depictions in Scripture of said powers that be are Dispensational *, at the same time, in light of said various depictions in Scripture; I'll pass on your version.
Rom. 5:8
Acts 17:11
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* Dispensational: impacted by the particular Dispensation a thing falls under, or plays out, within.
