No, I made a mistake. Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9.
Robert's Gospel According to the Apostle Paul
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No, I made a mistake. Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9.
Rosenritter
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James 1:26-27 KJV
(26) If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
(27) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
I've called him on his misappropriation of the word "religion" but he doesn't seem to like the contextual definitions.
There are two different kinds of religion.
There is man's religion and there is God's religion. All religions conceived by men are false. They are false because they are not motivated by the Holy Spirit. This is why John wrote,
"Beloved, believe not every Spirit, but try the spirits whether they be of God: because many false prophets are gone into the world" 1 John 4:1.
You can usually spot false religions because they are man centered. All that they can talk about is themselves and their works.
ttruscott
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The dictionary tells us that heresy doesn't refer to the truth but is only a convergence from church doctrine. If a Church sect has it wrong, heresy can be putting it right.
I looked up the word heresy in the dictionary. Here is what it says.
Heresy: "A belief contrary to the established doctrines of a church or religious system".
I think that it should say, "Contrary to the teachings of the Bible".
Your mistake is simple. You are attempting to communicate spiritual truth but you lack a spiritual vocabulary. Everything you try and convey is done parrot fashion so you have words but with no understanding of context.
You are like a small child drawing joined up scribbles along a line on a page and insisting that it is "real writing".
This is supposed to be a Forum. Where is your refutal of my opening post. If you were as spiritual as you think that you are you would be able to do that with plenty of scripture references. Instead all that you have is hot air and insults. Perhaps you are under conviction.
glorydaz
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One is left to wonder why we are crucified with Christ if He lived a righteous life for us?
musterion
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If Christ lived a perfectly righteous, sinless life specifically FOR us, because we cannot, then it follows that He fulfilled all of God's righteous demands on us by His life, since He walked perfectly on our behalf.
Meaning there'd be nothing left to offend God.
In that case, there was no need for Him to die FOR us because He died to save those He'd already justified by His life . . .
. . .making the cross of no effect.
It's a not so subtle denial of the saving Gospel.
glorydaz
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Well put, Musty. :thumb:
All that Jesus is and all that he has done was done for our salvation and justification. If you don't believe that you really have no right to call yourself a Christian. To not believe this leaves a void in your doctrine that you will try to fill with your own life that will lead to legalism.
Jesus lived a life of perfect obedience according to Gods Holy Law. He did that for our justification, Romans 3:26. That was not enough something had to be done about our sins and the sins of the whole world. In our name and on our behalf Jesus has atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.
His life was lived for our justification, Romans 3:26.
His death atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.
Listen carefully all of you unbelieving Forum members.
Jesus saves you by doing for you that which you cannot do for yourself. Are you able to fulfill God's Holy Law? No, you can't, you can't even come close because you are a sinner, Romans 3:10.
Are you able to atone for your sins? Again the answer is no.
Jesus in your name and on your behalf was accepted into heaven. He is your savior.
Jesus saves you by doing for you that which you cannot do for yourself. Are you able to fulfill God's Holy Law? No, you can't, you can't even come close because you are a sinner, Romans 3:10.
Are you able to atone for your sins? Again the answer is no.
Jesus in your name and on your behalf was accepted into heaven. He is your savior.
glorydaz
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If I did believe that, Robert, I'd be falling for the same lie you have fallen for.
He did, and He was baptised to fulfil the requirements of the Law for His roles as Prophet, Priest, and King. Nothing there is imputed to us.
No, He didn't, and that verse makes no such claim. This verse proves it makes no such claim.
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight:
Of course it wasn't enough, because righteousness does not come from the law.
Therefore, it can't be passed on to us, as you claim.
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
beloved57
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You teach that what Jesus did wasn't sufficient to save them He did it for. So you teach Salvation is by the doing of man instead of the doing of Christ!
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glorydaz
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He was raised for our justification....He didn't live His life on earth for our justification. Until you get that figured out, you'll continue wandering around in the mist.
Romans 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
glorydaz
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Romans 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
beloved57
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False statement. No verse in all of scripture says salvation has been provided for everyone.
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beloved57
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You dont believe Rom 4:25. You teach there's sinners Christ was delivered for and raised again for who are condemned don't you ?
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