1PeaceMaker
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Retroactive Death Penalty for Abortion?
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1PeaceMaker
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So if a Christian has an abortion, what would the penalty be from God?
In the case of a Christian (i.e. an actual believer not someone who simply calls themselves a Christian), the just penalty for their sin has been imposed upon Christ.
1PeaceMaker
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But what if abortion is a crime and always has been? Only color of law would be rolled back. It was always murder; it was always a death penalty offense. Then what?
How about retroactive abortion for murderers?
So Nazis shouldn't have been held accountable for their war crimes?
You do realize that there is no statute of limitations on murder, therefore there is nothing "retroactive" about trying murderers.
Well, if was always a death penalty offense then it wouldn't be retroactive.
The fact is, however, that it is not currently a death penalty offense, its not even a crime, at least not here in America.
As for what God thinks. God of course, considers it murder and all murderers will be dealt with justly on judgment day. Whether that means a person's crimes are paid for by the blood of Christ or by the damnation of their own soul, one way or the other, justice will be satisfied.
Resting in Him,
Clete
Their actions were criminal under international law and they were tried and convicted under those laws.
Don't be stupid.
It's just simple 3rd grade level common sense. Enforcing new laws, retroactively is fundamentally unjust - period. It makes no difference if the current law is itself unjust. Two wrongs do not make a right. Justice would demand that murdering unborn babies be criminalized and THEN you begin to enforce that law.
Rounding up and executing those who had legal abortions would only be more murders.
Don't worry. God is the Sovereign Judge of all the living and the dead. No one is getting away with anything. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God!
Resting in Him,
Clete
elohiym
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If we could see the future, we would prevent murder not abort murderers.
elohiym
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I can understand why you believe that; I did once, too. However, after further study I came to a different conclusion. I'll share what I believe so you have another point of view to consider.
- First, any law repugnant to the Constitution is void, and void retroactively. See Marbury v. Madison.
- Second, there is a legal maxim that ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law.
- Third, state fetal homicide laws recognize the fetus as a person, giving the unborn Constitutional protection against murder. Either the state's fetal homicide law is void or the state's law allowing for abortion is void; it's legally impossible for both to be valid laws under the U.S. Constitution, even under Roe v. Wade since the Court was of the opinion that if a fetus is a person a woman has no right to abortion.
Based on those points, I conclude that abortion only operates under color of law and is murder. The law is void now. Ignorance is no excuse. And as someone already pointed out on this thread, there is no statute of limitations on murder.
What's your opinion in light of those points?
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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
So Nazis shouldn't have been held accountable for their war crimes?
But Clete, those laws were brought into effect after many of the Nazi war crimes had already been committed (and I believe that would make them "retroactive").
On 20 April 1942, representatives from the nine countries occupied by Germany met in London to draft the "Inter-Allied Resolution on German War Crimes". At the meetings in Tehran (1943), Yalta (1945) and Potsdam (1945), the three major wartime powers, the United Kingdom, United States, and the Soviet Union, agreed on the format of punishment for those responsible for war crimes during World War II.[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials
Holocaust Timeline
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/timeline.html
(But then maybe Clete is more impressed with an international court than a court of a sovereign nation?).
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
You do realize that there is no statute of limitations on murder, therefore there is nothing "retroactive" about trying murderers.
Be nice Clete or I'll say the name "Ayn Rand" and watch you start salivating.
I'm not talking about scared young girls or women who found themselves in a situation and used the easiest way out of it to solve "the problem". I'm talking about cold blooded baby murderers at places like NARAL and Planned Parenthood (whose founder Margaret Sanger had ties to Nazi Germany).
You're talking like an anarchist Clete. At first you talked about the justification of a international court, and now you've done a turnaround saying that 'God will be the final judge'. If people commit heinous crimes while living on this earth and are allowed to go about their lives without being tried, and if convicted, punished, then those people are literally getting away with murder.
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
So Nazis shouldn't have been held accountable for their war crimes?
But Clete, those laws were brought into effect after many of the Nazi war crimes had already been committed (and I believe that would make them "retroactive").
On 20 April 1942, representatives from the nine countries occupied by Germany met in London to draft the "Inter-Allied Resolution on German War Crimes". At the meetings in Tehran (1943), Yalta (1945) and Potsdam (1945), the three major wartime powers, the United Kingdom, United States, and the Soviet Union, agreed on the format of punishment for those responsible for war crimes during World War II.[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials
Holocaust Timeline
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/timeline.html
(But then maybe Clete is more impressed with an international court than a court of a sovereign nation?).
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
You do realize that there is no statute of limitations on murder, therefore there is nothing "retroactive" about trying murderers.
Be nice Clete or I'll say the name "Ayn Rand" and watch you start salivating.
I'm not talking about scared young girls or women who found themselves in a situation and used the easiest way out of it to solve "the problem". I'm talking about cold blooded baby murderers at places like NARAL and Planned Parenthood (whose founder Margaret Sanger had ties to Nazi Germany).
You're talking like an anarchist Clete. At first you talked about the justification of a international court, and now you've done a turnaround saying that 'God will be the final judge'. If people commit heinous crimes while living on this earth and are allowed to go about their lives without being tried, and if convicted, punished, then those people are literally getting away with murder.
Who is suggesting it besides ACW ?
Clete, as long as international law supports it.
Lon
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Interesting. When slavery was abolished, were slave owners marched to court? especially the brutal ones?
If we as a nation ever defeat abortion legislation, we'll have to give serious thought to past actions and if/how prosecution would work especially for abortion doctors and nurses. I would think we would do nothing retroactively at the time. :think:
If we as a nation ever defeat abortion legislation, we'll have to give serious thought to past actions and if/how prosecution would work especially for abortion doctors and nurses. I would think we would do nothing retroactively at the time. :think:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
I'm glad that you're able to get a good chuckle over 58 million unborn babies being murdered in the womb in a 43 year period Crucible. But then based on our recent discussions, nothing surprises me when it comes to a liberal Catholic.
