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Kiwimac, spot on, that any more would be not only embarrassing, but worse....boring.
Evangelion, we've squeezed this booger dry, for all and more than it was worth, and if there is any grace in any of it, which I think there is, a bit more was placed on the all round respect ledger by and for all parties than that which drew blood.
I am more than satisfied with that.
Few points.
Doesn't matter whether it's faith, religion and theology, or politics, society and government, or science, or philosophy, or the art of weed-whacking....
Most folks engaging in discussions on the Net, from where ever and about whatever, don't research, verify, cite or I even think understand what they are doing, saying, copying or babbling.
In the age of Nabster, the world seems to think the entire Net is public domain. Colleges are having a hard time with this one, as even graduate students are 'plagiarizing' without even comprehension of what plagiarism is. It doesn't compute when you have 500 CDs worth of 'free' music on your hard drive.
Evangelion, you may also remember, if you are as decrepit as I, the sixties, when college professors climbed down from Olympus into the great abysmal swamp of the warm and fuzzy.
'Hi, folks. I'm Bob, your professor for this class. Your name is Mark? Mark, what do you think about the monastic system in early Medieval Europe?'
At that point the prof with about twenty years of study in a field lets a kid barely past acne know that their individual thoughts on a subject only one had even a clue about - were about equal in worth.
It was the dawning of the age of self esteem.
It's enshrined. Reporters ask the man on the street what he thinks of the NRON scandal, the anthrax scare, the problems in the Middle East, and some mook who hasn't a clue about stocks, business ethics, trading, law, energy policy, Mid-East history, chemistry, biology, adequate personal hygiene, or much more than is needed to keep overfed and out of jail, pontificates "Well, I think the big guys are always screwing the little...'....and the reporter nods sagely receiving this great dollop of folk wisdom.
Egalitarianism has won the battle for the mind. All thoughts are equal, all opinions valid, and facts are really determined by feelings.
This cultural morass has not be kept from the Churches. In many ways, it is a bastard offspring of 'private judgment'.
'Sounds nice, Mr. Saul or Mr. Paul, but I think it means....'
The most galvanizing example of this is when three or four of God's obviously chosen are deeply engaged in spiritual combat with each other, each absolutely convinced he is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and therefore something akin to a spokesman for God. God can't ever be wrong, and so the indwelt cannot be wrong, so we are left with God taking three or four different positions, or, God forbid, somebody is maybe not really speaking for Him.
That can't be the case, and so the warm and fuzzies of Christian self esteem triumph over One Truth, Light and Way...and each congratulates the other for how the Spirit led each to different conclusions.
Bottom line - evverybody's self esteem is maintained, and as He said...
'Whoever would be My disciple, let Him have self esteem and follow Me.'
Evangelion, there is a lot you and I disagree about. Important things. Very.
But there is maybe this of a kindred nature: suffering fools gladly is, maybe, our cross.
I don't do it as well, kindly or graciously as I should.
And, sometimes, being a bit primed and shell shocked, I over react. Born of years of being burned, on edge, and all too often prepared for the worst.
Someone very close to me thought she recognized, understood and sypathized with something of the same in you.
We'll no doubt wrassle at some point.
It'll be with respect.
Denis
Evangelion, we've squeezed this booger dry, for all and more than it was worth, and if there is any grace in any of it, which I think there is, a bit more was placed on the all round respect ledger by and for all parties than that which drew blood.
I am more than satisfied with that.
Few points.
Doesn't matter whether it's faith, religion and theology, or politics, society and government, or science, or philosophy, or the art of weed-whacking....
Most folks engaging in discussions on the Net, from where ever and about whatever, don't research, verify, cite or I even think understand what they are doing, saying, copying or babbling.
In the age of Nabster, the world seems to think the entire Net is public domain. Colleges are having a hard time with this one, as even graduate students are 'plagiarizing' without even comprehension of what plagiarism is. It doesn't compute when you have 500 CDs worth of 'free' music on your hard drive.
Evangelion, you may also remember, if you are as decrepit as I, the sixties, when college professors climbed down from Olympus into the great abysmal swamp of the warm and fuzzy.
'Hi, folks. I'm Bob, your professor for this class. Your name is Mark? Mark, what do you think about the monastic system in early Medieval Europe?'
At that point the prof with about twenty years of study in a field lets a kid barely past acne know that their individual thoughts on a subject only one had even a clue about - were about equal in worth.
It was the dawning of the age of self esteem.
It's enshrined. Reporters ask the man on the street what he thinks of the NRON scandal, the anthrax scare, the problems in the Middle East, and some mook who hasn't a clue about stocks, business ethics, trading, law, energy policy, Mid-East history, chemistry, biology, adequate personal hygiene, or much more than is needed to keep overfed and out of jail, pontificates "Well, I think the big guys are always screwing the little...'....and the reporter nods sagely receiving this great dollop of folk wisdom.
Egalitarianism has won the battle for the mind. All thoughts are equal, all opinions valid, and facts are really determined by feelings.
This cultural morass has not be kept from the Churches. In many ways, it is a bastard offspring of 'private judgment'.
'Sounds nice, Mr. Saul or Mr. Paul, but I think it means....'
The most galvanizing example of this is when three or four of God's obviously chosen are deeply engaged in spiritual combat with each other, each absolutely convinced he is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and therefore something akin to a spokesman for God. God can't ever be wrong, and so the indwelt cannot be wrong, so we are left with God taking three or four different positions, or, God forbid, somebody is maybe not really speaking for Him.
That can't be the case, and so the warm and fuzzies of Christian self esteem triumph over One Truth, Light and Way...and each congratulates the other for how the Spirit led each to different conclusions.
Bottom line - evverybody's self esteem is maintained, and as He said...
'Whoever would be My disciple, let Him have self esteem and follow Me.'
Evangelion, there is a lot you and I disagree about. Important things. Very.
But there is maybe this of a kindred nature: suffering fools gladly is, maybe, our cross.
I don't do it as well, kindly or graciously as I should.
And, sometimes, being a bit primed and shell shocked, I over react. Born of years of being burned, on edge, and all too often prepared for the worst.
Someone very close to me thought she recognized, understood and sypathized with something of the same in you.
We'll no doubt wrassle at some point.
It'll be with respect.
Denis
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