Not unless you confuse yourself with scripture. Which may well be the case now that I think about it.
Except that I posted the Scripture regarding this. You are overlooking that.
1 John 4:15 is not an evasion.
Romans 10:9 is not an evasion.
1 John 5:9-11 is not an evasion.
The Son of God IS God. God the Son, not God and His son.
The Son has God-ship by virtue of His Father only. You're putting forth a twisted version of the doctrine of the Trinity. One that Yeshua would not and did not support.
So some may call Christ the Son of God without acknowledging the authority that makes his sacrifice meaningful and grace possible.
Town, ALL of Yeshua's authority came from the Father by His own testimony.
Like I noted more than once, even the Pharisees knew that.
What the Pharisees noted and what Yeshua stated are two different things. He never stated He was the Father, only that the Father is in Him and He in the Father.
No, I simply noted the difference between how Christ taught us to pray before his sacrifice and what followed and the scripture I noted from Paul that came after.
Malachi 3:6, Town. Yeshua would not have taught one thing before the Cross and something else after the Cross. Yeshua was not two-faced. He also didn't announce an expiration date to his teaching and what He taught Paul was the same as He taught everyone.
Neither of those has any impact on God (by which I mean God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit) in either of the ways you note...which I suppose is why you declared it instead of illustrating/supporting the declaration and thereby transforming it from froth to argument.
Scripture isn't froth and I'm a bit disappointed that you would declare it as such.
Still not a point of confusion.
That depends on whether you are you, or not.
Less clear? Do you believe that Jesus is fully God or is he something less than the Father in your estimation?
Yeshua declared Himself as something less in His own estimation. In other words, He did not declare Himself equal to His Father, but in everything deferred to His Father. John 13:13-20, Mark 10:18, John 5:19 Neither did Paul. 1 Corinthians 11:3
The trinity, which is really only a way of speaking of God,
And if it were in the mind of one who holds respect for God, it would be capitalized.
holds within it the truth of who Jesus was and remains.
Yeshua was and remains under the Headship of His Father.
You have.
and find salvation or you reduce the name of Jesus to an incantation, a magic word.
Yeshua reduced His own Name to a magic word? Nah, you've got that wrong right along with stating that the doctrine of the Trinity is a requirement for salvation when Scripture states otherwise.
As someone who has been the full recipient of your practice on the point I find your lack of self-awareness staggering, but unsurprising.
Considering your inability to accept God's Word as opposed to man's on a particular subject, your surprise isn't surprising. Ezekiel 3:20
She does a good bit more than that. She rejects Paul entirely. Maybe you should read her more widely. Or maybe that's not really the trouble. It's hard to tell at this point.
What she rejects is the twisting of God's Word based upon Paul's words to peoples destruction. Peter warned about that. Apparently she has been exposed to enough of that to stay away from Paul's teaching. That's not her fault and no Christian is required to believe in Paul for salvation but rather Yeshua. Nothing Paul taught was different than what Yeshua taught or in any way opposed what Yeshua taught while He walked among us or after His resurrection.
You either don't know what you're talking about or don't care. Neither is a good place to found an argument.
It was good enough when people were declaring you anathema.
By Son of God do you mean fully God? Or is He less than the Father, again, in your understanding. It's a clear, simple question and one I've answered without equivocation. You've yet to meet it. I'm curious as to why.
I haven't stated that you're stupid. :chuckle:
I have answered/met you, Town, so your curiosity is unfounded. I do not mean that Yeshua is the Father and neither does the Nicene Creed or the doctrine of the Trinity.
Explained multiple times prior and noted above.
Your explanations don't hold up to Scripture.
That's simply untrue. What I am proclaiming is that Jesus Christ IS God. Is fully God as is the Father or the Holy Spirit.
You can not make that declaration if you dismiss the Headship and authority of the Father. The Son is only God in that He is in the Father and the Father is in Him. It's a caviat that was explained by Yeshua and one you don't seem to grasp.
An error of a keystroke, easily repaired.
And easily repeated, apparently, meaning you refuse to check yourself before the Lord.
Your thinking may be harder to amend. We'll see.
My thinking doesn't need your amendments, Town. I defer to my Head and you are not He.
lain: Okay. You do know that it doesn't matter to me if you rep him or not, right? I just think how you've latched onto the point is, well, interesting.
Well, I do care about how Chrys feels about things. Granted, the directives of this thread are a bit cloudy but I am trying to accommodate Chrys.
By which I mean indicative.
Yes, indicative of my caring for a Brother.
