"Render unto Caesar...."

[Daniel1611]

Yet Jesus speaks of mercy, love and forgiveness.

So this is an abolition of the death penalty? I don't think so.

 

[Town Heretic]

Following a law that contradicts the Bible is wicked.

So are you saying you're going about your locality stoning homosexuals? Because the law that doesn't allow you to do that, if you believe Leviticus is still in play, isn't a law you'd be following, right?

I won't follow any law that contradicts the Bible.

What part of the Bible mentions preparing cakes that sinners can't purchase?

I'm also not going to jail for not paying taxes because the Bible doesn't tell me not to pay them.

Well, make up your mind. You wrote:

I don't recognize the legitimacy of the American government or anything it does.

Part of what it does is make law and collect taxes. So you really didn't mean what you said the first time, did you. You just meant you don't believe you can follow a law that violates your conscience, which leads me back to my questions above.

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[Daniel1611]

So are you saying you're going about your locality stoning homosexuals? Because the law that doesn't allow you to do that, if you believe Leviticus is still in play, isn't a law you'd be following, right?


What part of the Bible mentions preparing cakes that sinners can't purchase?


Well, make up your mind. You wrote:

Part of what it does is make law and collect taxes. So you really didn't mean what you said the first time, did you. You just meant you don't believe you can follow a law that violates your conscience, which leads me back to my questions above.

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Leviticus doesn't tell me to kill homosexuals. It says government should. I'm for a biblical government. I'm not the government so I'm not permitted by Leviticus to go kill people of my own accord.

The Bible doesn't mention gay cakes. It mentions gay executions.

I pay taxes so the government doesn't kidnap and lock me in a cage. The Bible doesn't tell me to evade taxes. I'll comply with the law if it isn't antibiblical. I won't believe the government is legitimate, but I'll go along to get along so long as I don't have to do anything unbiblical.

 

[Town Heretic]

Leviticus doesn't tell me to kill homosexuals. It says government should.

So if the government isn't doing what the Bible says it should then you're okay with letting it go? Not trying to usurp its authority?

Well there you go.

The Bible doesn't mention gay cakes. It mentions gay executions.

Which you just said was off the table since the government says no and you aren't the government.

So how are you and bybee, practically speaking, different in what you actually do or don't do?

I pay taxes so the government doesn't kidnap and lock me in a cage.

So it's not a principle you'll stand on. Then what good is it to you?

The Bible doesn't tell me to evade taxes.

I didn't say it did. I was noting the incongruity of what you said at two different, sequential points. Nothing more.

I'll comply with the law if it isn't antibiblical. I won't believe the government is legitimate, but I'll go along to get along so long as I don't have to do anything unbiblical.

Okay. Back to my earlier question then and the practical distinction between you and bybee. Doesn't seem so great now, does it?

Hard to see how you could have spoken harshly to her about "playing ball" given how you approach taxes, doesn't it?

Or, it's always the other guy's fault...until we realize it isn't.

 

[Daniel1611]

Bybee is suggesting we just go along with whatever unless it's something she considers really bad. Which is subjective. I'm saying dont go along with anything unbiblical. Paying taxes is not unbiblical so your attempted comparison is flawed.

As far as executing homos, there isn't much I can do. The government doesn't do it, and if I did I would be in violation of the Bible.

 

[Town Heretic]

Bybee is suggesting we just go along with whatever unless it's something she considers really bad.

Like you and taxes? But to me what she's saying is you obey the law so long as it doesn't require you to violate God's law.

And selling a cake isn't doing that...isn't actually even putting a stamp of approval on anything but commerce.

Which is subjective. I'm saying dont go along with anything unbiblical.

Sounds like what she's saying too. Maybe the disagreement is about what you see as contra Biblical.

Paying taxes is not unbiblical so your attempted comparison is flawed.

I never said it was or wasn't (though I actually think it's supported Biblically). So you're right it couldn't have been my attempt. What I noted was the inconsistency in your approach and in principle thereafter.

Both of which remain true.

As far as executing homos, there isn't much I can do.

I suppose you'll just have to live with the disappointment.

We differ on the continuance of the death penalty. I think the cross broke the argument for it, but that's a discussion for another day.

 

[bybee]

Bybee is suggesting we just go along with whatever unless it's something she considers really bad. Which is subjective. I'm saying dont go along with anything unbiblical. Paying taxes is not unbiblical so your attempted comparison is flawed.

As far as executing homos, there isn't much I can do. The government doesn't do it, and if I did I would be in violation of the Bible.

You are leaping to fallacious conclusions and that just isn't very nice.