RELIGION: An indication of the Absence of Faith

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Ben Masada

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Religion, an Indication of the Absence of Faith!

Rather the opposite is true. Religion is an indication of excessive faith. Hence, Paul said in II Corinthians 5:7 that his followers were to walk by faith, not by sight. Since sight means to see, to realize, to perceive, to know, to understand, it is only obvious that to walk by faith means ignorance, blindness, lack of knowledge and lack of understanding. Faith coexists with knowledge only in inverse proportion. As the sun of knowledge rises, the sun of faith sets down. On the other hand, as faith increases, people perish for lack of knowledge. (Hosea 4:6 KJV)
 
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Robert Pate

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Ben Masada said:
Religion, an Indication of the Absence of Faith!

Rather the opposite is true. Religion is an indication of excessive faith. Hence, Paul said in II Corinthians 5:7 that his followers were to walk by faith, not by sight. Since sight means to see, to realize, to perceive, to know, to understand, it is only obvious that to walk by faith means ignorance, blindness, lack of knowledge and lack of understanding. Faith coexists with knowledge only in inverse proportion. As the sun of knowledge rises, the sun of faith sets down. On the other hand, as faith increases, people perish for lack of knowledge. (Hosea 4:6 KJV)
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This is why you are going to be without an excuse. God has revealed his Son to you through the scriptures, but you don't believe.
 
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beloved57 said:
Just about every last one of them. Rom 5:10 a case in point ! This scripture teaches that those Christ died for were reconciled to God[by His death] when/while they were enemies, you deny it, twist it, pervert it !
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You are still in denial of what the scripture says. It does not say "while".

It says... "For if WHEN we WERE enemies" This is past tence. Like many of the other scriptures you have this one wrong.
 
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Robert Pate said:
You are still in denial of what the scripture says. It does not say "while".

It says... "For if WHEN we WERE enemies" This is past tence. Like many of the other scriptures you have this one wrong.
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You continue make my point that you don't believe the scripture.
 
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The church as we know it today is a form of religion but denies its power. The churches cathedrals, treasures, rituals etc have nothing in common with Jesus. They are man made religion. They are dead works.
Man exalting himself in the place of God.
 
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Robert Pate said:
You distort and pervert God's word. This is what heretics do.
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No you just dont accept the word of God. Those Christ died for were reconciled to God by His death when they were enemies Rom 5:10

[FONT=&quot]For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life;ASV

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.ESV[/FONT]
 
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beloved57 said:
No you just dont accept the word of God. Those Christ died for were reconciled to God by His death when they were enemies Rom 5:10

[FONT="]For if,[B] when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,[/B] much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT="]For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life;ASV

[/FONT][FONT="]For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.ESV[/FONT]
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Your doctrine does not make sense, as usual.

How can you be reconciled to God while you are his enemy.

You don't understand the word reconcile.

RECONCILE: "To bring back to friendship after an estrangement" (Funk & Wagnalls Dictionary)
 
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Robert Pate said:
Your doctrine does not make sense, as usual.

How can you be reconciled to God while you are his enemy.

You don't understand the word reconcile.

RECONCILE: "To bring back to friendship after an estrangement" (Funk & Wagnalls Dictionary)
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The Gospel does not make sense to them that are lost. That's why you reject the truth of the Gospel, the word of reconciliation.
 
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How can you be reconciled to God while you are his enemy.
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Lol By Christ death foolish man Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
 
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Lol By Christ death foolish man Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
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We are reconciled by the gospel of reconciliation, by the word of God, which we received whilst we were still enemies of God. Which is a gift because we didn't deserve it because are sinners but by the grace of God Jesus came to bear witness to the truth, being dead to this world and the lusts of the flesh, he preached the word of God reconciling us to God whilst we were still enemies and sinners. Once we hear and we truly believe then we are saved by his life, we too must live it out a and walk the walk and turn from sin and turn from the lusts of the flesh and the things of this world and through Christ by the spirit God will give us the strength to overcome then we too are put to death by the spirit and we live by the spirit and not after the flesh and our old man is gone and we are born anew of the spirit in Christ.

So being reconciled whilst we were yet enemies, is hearing the word of God whilst we are still sinning and then believing, then once we believe and through Christ Jesus, we are to turn from sin and obey the living God, and we are then saved by the life of Christ within our hearts and by the holy spirit and we then through Christ, pour the love of God out to others and live our lives according to the will of God.
 
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People who talk about others 'lacking faith' are mostly the one's with a dubiously easy, most convenient set of belief.
It's not hard to see the worldliness behind these people's grandeur, because they directly embraced it and simply call it something else.

There is nothing 'man made' about religious devotions and traditions. They try to use the scripture to label everything within that they don't like as 'worldly', when they are the ones who solely embrace worldly traditions :AMR:
 
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We are reconciled by the gospel of reconciliation, by the word of God
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You are starting in error. How does Paul say they were reconciled to God while they were enemies in Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
 
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BoyStan said:
The church as we know it today is a form of religion but denies its power. The churches cathedrals, treasures, rituals etc have nothing in common with Jesus. They are man made religion. They are dead works.
Man exalting himself in the place of God.
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You have a keen sense of observation.
 
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beloved57 said:
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You are starting in error. How does Paul say they were reconciled to God while they were enemies in Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
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Doesn't say "While they were enemies" It says "when they were enemies". They are no longer enemies because they have been reconciled to God by Jesus Christ.

You need to stop going to heresy school.
 
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beloved57 said:
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You are starting in error. How does Paul say they were reconciled to God while they were enemies in Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
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Because we are enemies when we hear the word of God, which Jesus brought whilst preaching the gospel and we carry on being enemies if don't listen. But if we take the word in and let it sink into our heart believe and have faith, then we aren't enemies of God anymore because we have been reconciled to God by the word of reconciliation through Christ, through faith by the grace of God. But, we are saved by his life. Our flesh can't please God and it must go, it has to be put to death and by doing so we are being saved daily through Christ, by the holy spirit of God. Teaching us, guiding us, and helping us to overcome sin thus putting our old man to death and being born anew we walk in newness of spirit and Christ will be manifest in our hearts saving us from sin. If we're not overcoming the lusts of the flesh, then we're not born of God because the spirit wars against the flesh and pricks our conscience and strengthens us to overcome and do Gods will.

We can't carry on sinning and living our own life, saying that were reconciled whilst we are enemies and our flesh is sinful so it's ok. No it isn't, the flesh has to go, we can't please God whilst living in the flesh and by the ways of this world. We are to come out from among it all and leave that behind and live by the will of God.

2 Corinthians 5

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


We are reconciled by the word of God. By taking it in and believing, being saved through faith by the grace of God and then we are enemies no more, but sons and daughters of God living it out, walking the walk and bringing others the truth and living by the will of God worshipping God in spirit and in truth.
 
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marhig said:
Because we are enemies when we hear the word of God, which Jesus brought whilst preaching the gospel and we carry on being enemies if don't listen. But if we take the word in and let it sink into our heart believe and have faith, then we aren't enemies of God anymore because we have been reconciled to God by the word of reconciliation through Christ, through faith by the grace of God. But, we are saved by his life. Our flesh can't please God and it must go, it has to be put to death and by doing so we are being saved daily through Christ, by the holy spirit of God. Teaching us, guiding us, and helping us to overcome sin thus putting our old man to death and being born anew we walk in newness of spirit and Christ will be manifest in our hearts saving us from sin. If we're not overcoming the lusts of the flesh, then we're not born of God because the spirit wars against the flesh and pricks our conscience and strengthens us to overcome and do Gods will.

We can't carry on sinning and living our own life, saying that were reconciled whilst we are enemies and our flesh is sinful so it's ok. No it isn't, the flesh has to go, we can't please God whilst living in the flesh and by the ways of this world. We are to come out from among it all and leave that behind and live by the will of God.

2 Corinthians 5

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


We are reconciled by the word of God. By taking it in and believing, being saved through faith by the grace of God and then we are enemies no more, but sons and daughters of God living it out, walking the walk and bringing others the truth and living by the will of God worshipping God in spirit and in truth.
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Huh? Lol,what in the world are you talking about ? You make zero sense to me.
 
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