Rekindling the Reformation

clefty

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Sadly much is left to reform...

"...the issue of sola Scriptura continued to aggravate the church in Rome, as it directly countered its claim of authority to interpret the Bible. The advent of the printing press had made the Bible and the writings of the Reformers readily available throughout Europe. Even some Roman priests thought that the Bible should have a more authoritative place in the church.

Finally the Council of Trent was called. Its many sessions were held over nearly 19 years. One of the issues that the Roman church wanted to counter was the Protestant principle of sola Scriptura. Thus, on January 18, 1562, Gaspar del Fosso, the archbishop of Reggio, presented the same argument that Eck had used against Luther.

He said, “The Protestants claim to stand upon the written word only. They profess to hold the Scripture alone as the standard point of faith. They justify their revolt by the plea that the church has apostatised from the written word and follows tradition. Now the Protestants’ claim that they stand upon the written word only is not true. Their profession of holding the Scripture alone as the standard of faith is false!”

His proof of this statement lay in the fact that the written word explicitly enjoins the observance of the seventh day as the Sabbath. However, Protestants did not observe the seventh day, as they should if they held the Scriptures alone as their standard. Instead, they rejected it.

Del Fosso went on to argue that “[Protestants] not only reject the observance of the Sabbath enjoined in the written word, but they have adopted and do practice the observance of Sunday, for which they have only the tradition of the church.”"

https://www.hopechannel.com/read/the-forgotten-reformer

Augsburg Confession of Faith art. 28; written by Melanchthon, approved by Martin Luther, 1530; as published in The Book of Concord of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Henry Jacobs, ed. (1 91 1), p. 63.

"They [Roman Catholics] refer to the Sabbath Day, a shaving been changed into the Lord's Day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it seems. Neither is there any example whereof they make more than concerning the changing of the Sabbath Day. Great, say they, is the power of the Church, since it has dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments!"

https://www.biblesabbath.org/confessions.html
 

jsanford108

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I think that it is good for people to know and understand the history of their denominations, as well as what doctrines they hold.
 

clefty

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I think that it is good for people to know and understand the history of their denominations, as well as what doctrines they hold.

Yes indeed...it is however a criticism of theirs that there are so many denominations...as if the body had only one organ doing one function
 

Artur Axmann

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"...the issue of sola Scriptura continued to aggravate the church in Rome, as it directly countered its claim of authority to interpret the Bible. The advent of the printing press had made the Bible and the writings of the Reformers readily available throughout Europe. Even some Roman priests thought that the Bible should have a more authoritative place in the church.

Finally the Council of Trent was called. Its many sessions were held over nearly 19 years. One of the issues that the Roman church wanted to counter was the Protestant principle of sola Scriptura. Thus, on January 18, 1562, Gaspar del Fosso, the archbishop of Reggio, presented the same argument that Eck had used against Luther.

He said, “The Protestants claim to stand upon the written word only. They profess to hold the Scripture alone as the standard point of faith. They justify their revolt by the plea that the church has apostatised from the written word and follows tradition. Now the Protestants’ claim that they stand upon the written word only is not true. Their profession of holding the Scripture alone as the standard of faith is false!”

His proof of this statement lay in the fact that the written word explicitly enjoins the observance of the seventh day as the Sabbath. However, Protestants did not observe the seventh day, as they should if they held the Scriptures alone as their standard. Instead, they rejected it.

Del Fosso went on to argue that “[Protestants] not only reject the observance of the Sabbath enjoined in the written word, but they have adopted and do practice the observance of Sunday, for which they have only the tradition of the church.”"

https://www.hopechannel.com/read/the-forgotten-reformer

Augsburg Confession of Faith art. 28; written by Melanchthon, approved by Martin Luther, 1530; as published in The Book of Concord of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Henry Jacobs, ed. (1 91 1), p. 63.

"They [Roman Catholics] refer to the Sabbath Day, a shaving been changed into the Lord's Day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it seems. Neither is there any example whereof they make more than concerning the changing of the Sabbath Day. Great, say they, is the power of the Church, since it has dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments!"

https://www.biblesabbath.org/confessions.html

Everything you wrote is totally irrelevant.

..Nothing of which Christians believe today was ever the dominant belief among the early church.

Apostates and heretics at one time outnumbered true believers for centuries .

Protestants attempt to roll the clock back to that day in time and have succeeded, one need only look at the confusion in doctrine today among the children of the so called reformation ..
 

Epoisses

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Catholic and Orthodox Christians will probably finish the Reformation because they often have a deeper faith in Christ that Protestants. Protestants are play boys and party girls who don't have the guts to pull the trigger like hard-core Catholics and mafioso Orthodoxers!
 

clefty

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But, is that not the result of personal interpretation, brought on by Luther's teachings?

Luther wished to reform his church...it did...to a point...but further reform was needed to restore it to its roots as the "church in the wilderness"...as it was named by Stephan before he was killed by still others who rejected his calls to repent and reform...

Choose ye this day not only whom ye will serve but how...
 

clefty

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Everything you wrote is totally irrelevant.

..Nothing of which Christians believe today was ever the dominant belief among the early church.

Apostates and heretics at one time outnumbered true believers for centuries .

Protestants attempt to roll the clock back to that day in time and have succeeded, one need only look at the confusion in doctrine today among the children of the so called reformation ..

A remnant will endure...narrow indeed is the way...
 

clefty

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Catholic and Orthodox Christians will probably finish the Reformation because they often have a deeper faith in Christ that Protestants. Protestants are play boys and party girls who don't have the guts to pull the trigger like hard-core Catholics and mafioso Orthodoxers!

Probably finish? No it is in prophecy. The anti christ will win and speaking boldly it will establish its one world universal kingdom of God...god

His people however come out of her...
 

clefty

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What we need is another reformation, but its not going to happen.

Another reformation? Some would have this one ended already...

The counter reformation wishes to make it even politically incorrect:

"An effigy of German Church reformer Martin Luther reading ‘The naked truth about Martin Luther’ (on the socle) and ‘Hitler precisely executed Luther’s advices against the Jews’ (in the coat) is seen close to the Schlosskirche (All Saints’ Church, Castle Church) in Wittenberg, eastern Germany, where celebrations were under way on the occasion of the 500th anniversary of the Reformation on October 31, 2017."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...thers-reformation_us_59f88f45e4b09b5c25693365
 
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