Reconciled to God while enemies !

beloved57

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In Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

The elect was reconciled to God by the sole death of Christ, which death satisfied for them unto God His Law and Justice.
 
Nanja

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beloved57 said:
In Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

The elect was reconciled to God by the sole death of Christ, which death satisfied for them unto God His Law and Justice.
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Amen, this means that even though the elect were in a state of being ungodly and enemies of God, they were already reconciled to Him, Eternally Justified; Legally acquitted in God's Court of Law, based solely upon Christ's Blood Work on their behalf Rom. 5:9; Heb. 7:22; Rev. 13:8b.
 
beloved57

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Nanja said:
Amen, this means that even though the elect were in a state of being ungodly and enemies of God, they were already reconciled to Him, Eternally Justified; Legally acquitted in God's Court of Law, based solely upon Christ's Blood Work on their behalf Rom. 5:9; Heb. 7:22; Rev. 13:8b.
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Most definitely my Sister !
 
Nanja

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beloved57 said:
According to Rom 5:10 how were they Christ died for reconciled to God?
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Simply by the Death / Blood of Christ who was Surety on their behalf; plus nothing.

Even while they were being His enemies and unbelievers were at peace with God; always in His Favor.

No action whatsoever is required of them.

And so it is for all whom Christ died.
 
beloved57

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Nanja said:
Simply by the Death / Blood of Christ who was Surety on their behalf; plus nothing.

Even while they were being His enemies and unbelievers were at peace with God; always in His Favor.

No action whatsoever is required of them.

And so it is for all whom Christ died.
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Amen Sister, I see no one else attempted to answer that question !
 
beloved57

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How they discount the reconciling death of Christ !

Mans religion discounts what Christs death did for all whom He died, it reconciled them to God, it doesn't say it reconciled God to them. Now read it carefully Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now it states as clear as day, that when we[believers] were [past tense] [enemies] present tense, we were [past tense] reconciled to God, and then he writes how, How does it happen according to the sacred writer ?

If you said it was by the death of Christ you are correct. This is an actual and factual reconciliation, both parties are reconciled to one another lest we deem Christs death insufficient to have accomplished just that.

Mans religion insists that Rom 5:10 doesn't speak of men being reconciled to God, but that God is reconciled to men, and now its up to man to reconcile himself to God, stealing the Glory from what Christs death did and attributing it to sinful man ! They say Christs death is merely a insufficient partial reconciliation !
 
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Nanja

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beloved57 said:
How they discount the reconciling death of Ch​rist !


Mans religion discounts what Christs death did for all whom He died, it reconciled them to God, it doesn't say it reconciled God to them. Now read it carefully Rom 5:10

10 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]For if, when we were enemies, [/FONT]we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Now it states as clear as day, that when we[believers] were [past tense] [enemies] present tense, we were [past tenes] reconciled to God, and then he writes how, How does it happen according to the sacred writer ?[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]If you said it was by the death of Christ you are correct. This is an actual and factual reconciliation, both parties are reconciled to one another lest we deem Christs death insufficient to have accomplished just that.

Mans religion insists that Rom 5:10 doesn't speak of men being reconciled to God, but that God is reconciled to men, and now its up to man to reconcile himself to God, stealing the Glory from what Christs death did and attributing it to sinful man ! They say Christs death is merely a insufficient partial reconciliation ![/FONT]
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Indeed it does, which is blasphemy against the Blood of Christ to Save all for whom it was shed John 10:11; Eph. 5:25.

The reconciliation to God for all His Elect Rom. 8:33; 1 Pet. 1:2 is complete; has been accomplished solely by Christ's Death on their behalf Heb. 7:22 plus nothing, and the Promise is they shall be saved by His Life.

Now concerning all the non-elect reprobates Titus 1:16 KJV; Jude 1:4, there was never, nor will be, any possibility of reconciliation to God; only His wrath awaits them Rom. 9:21-22; Rev. 21:8.
 
Nanja

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beloved57 said:
According to Rom 5:10 what was it that reconciled believers to God?
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Their reconciliation to God was strictly by the Death of Christ on their behalf, even while being enemies of God and unbelievers.

Their own faith / believing, repentance, good works, etc., contributed absolutely nothing !
 
beloved57

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According to Rom 5:10 what promise is annexed to them Christ reconciled to God by His death while or when they were being enemies ?
 
Nanja

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beloved57 said:
and that before they know about it or believe into it !
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Exactly Brother ! Those Christ died for consist of a Reconciled Righteous World 2 Cor. 5:19, 21 by non-imputation of sin; they're completely and most assuredly Saved from it's penalty, and in the Favour of God; and so are thusly Clothed with His Everlasting Righteousness; and that is even while they're in a rebellious state; being His enemies and unbelievers Rom. 5:10 !
 
Nanja

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beloved57 said:
Rom 5:10, Saving after reconciliation !

Rom 5:10, Saving after reconciliation !

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

This scripture teaches a Blessed Truth that very few can receive, and that is there is a Saving or Salvation that comes after Reconciliation and it applies only to those that were reconciled to God by Christ's Death, while they were being Enemies.

That word enemies in the original is present tense, denoting while being in a state of being enemies/unbelievers, they were reconciled, which is past tense, and all such reconciled, while being enemies, shall be saved by His Life, that is Salvation shall be applied to them !
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That's affirmative Brother, and it need not have to be accepted by the one receiving it; for God accepted it, and all for whom He accepted it from Christ in their behalf, are Reconciled, Redeemed, Purchased and made Righteous, even while they are being unbelievers and enemies Rom. 5:10, 19!
 
Nanja

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beloved57 said:
More on Romans 5:10 and Salvation !

More on Romans 5:10 and Salvation !

Now understand this, Christ's Death does save in a way of Justification solely by His Death, the conversion experience of both faith and repentance of the ones saved by way of Justification before God is not needed, but only His Death Rom 5:18-19

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience [death] of one shall many be made righteous [or Just as in Justified.

Isa says the same thing here Isa 53:1

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

The He shall bear their iniquities is the same and equals to in Rom 5:19 " So by the Obedience of One " that Obedience consisted in bearing their iniquities at His Death. And by that Obedience alone they are Made Righteous or Justified. The word Justify in Isa 53:11 is the Hebrew word tsadaq :


to be just, be righteous

to have a just cause, be in the right

2) to be justified

3) to be just (of God)

4) to be just, be righteous (in conduct and character)

b) (Niphal) to be put or made right, be justified

c) (Piel) justify, make to appear righteous, make someone righteous

So Yes, Justification of Life here as Per Rom 5:18, and 19 being made Righteous equals to Salvation in that they are saved from, delivered from the penalty of all their sins and the condemnation thereof of God's Law ! This Justification of Life came solely upon Christ's One Act of Righteousness, as opposed to Adam's one act trespass that did merit condemnation. The Justification of Life by one [Christ's act] is just as real as the condemnation was for Adam's one act; Hence all for whom Christ died, have to their credit forever, Justification of Life, saved from the penalty of Sin which was against God's Law and Justice, and that forever, even while they are unbelievers and enemies, though they will become believers in their lifetime [The Just shall live by Faith] But until then, they are saved [by Justification of Life] !
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Amen Brother! The word Justification when used in scripture is never in a physical sense to produce an inward work of the sinner, such as to produce faith and repentance. But it's strictly forensic; that is it pertains exclusively to Law: God's Law and Justice; being made Righteous / Justified by the Obedience of One Rom. 5:19, which equals Salvation.

The Greek word dikaiosis meaning: The Act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to Him: Abjuring them to be Righteous Rom. 5:19, Saved by His Life:

Rom. 5:9-10

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
 
Nanja

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beloved57 said:
Reconciliation inwardly also !

Reconciliation inwardly also !

Most of my teaching has been on the objective side of Reconciliation, that all for whom Christ died, even while they are enemies, nevertheless they have been objectively, legally reconciled to God, and that solely by His Death. Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we [Believers] were enemies/unbelievers, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now there is another truth about the Reconciliation that the Work of Christ for His People provides and effectuates, and that is a Reconciliation in His People, through Christ. Col 1:21-22

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

It cannot be denied here that Paul is acknowledgment to Christ's Death " In the body of his flesh through death" to be the cause why they were no longer " alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works",which they were by nature. If you recall in Rom 5:10 when just objectively Reconciled by Christ's Death, they were still enemies but here in this verse Paul's extends the Reconciliation by Christ's Death to save them out of that state of enmity.

This is so because the Reconciling Death is the meritorious cause or reason for them receiving New Life from the Spirit, and by this New Spiritual Life, they are Now Reconciled experientially, which is but the fulfillment of the promise in Rom 5:10 b They shall be saved by His Life ! The Saving by His Life there is experiential Reconciliation or Conversion ! In other words, those who are objectively reconciled by Christ's death while still being unconverted, the promise is that they shall be converted or saved by His Life !

For all this is in line with the Purpose of His Death, which was to bring those He died for back to God 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins[His Death], the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

The word bring is a strong word and it means:

to cause to come to or toward oneself; attract

Or we can say it means to reconcile us experientially to God.That was a main Purpose for Christ being put to death for those He died for, in order to convert them to God. If that does not happen for each one He died for, God's Purpose in His Death has failed ! So each Person He died for shall be Reconciled inwardly to God also !
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Amen and Thank You Brother for this very Spiritually Edifying Teaching in the Word :)
 
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