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No, I don't believe you, because your interpretation is contradicted by other passages which you have declined to answer. Please note that I am trying to tell you this gracefully without assigning ill motive.
Rebuttal of the dreadful doctrine of reprobation
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Again, as I have noted tonight in several responses to you, one of us has actually interpreted texts, while the other merely points to them and thinks he has met some burden. Sigh.
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...rgivable-Sin&p=4641413&viewfull=1#post4641413
You are correct. We are going in circles. I am doing the heavy-lifting while you cobble together a verse here and there and declare victory. I have met my burden and devoted far more time and effort in my responses to you than you have to me. You have enough before you to think about and if it be the will of the Lord, you will come to a greater understanding of these things. For now, I am going to back away from being diligent to respond to each and every thought that you put down in writing. I did so in order to demonstrate to you that there are answers to all your concerns and complaints, while also to disabuse you of the notion that no one is responding to you. You can no longer make that claim in honesty, so at least one of my goals has been met. Carry on, now, and perhaps we will cross paths at later dates.
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beloved57
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No you don't believe the scripture. You say that they contradict, not the scripture.
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This might be hard for you to understand, but the meaning I described conflicts with neither. Your interpretation puts Proverbs at odds with Ezekiel, and then you choose to disbelieve Ezekiel.
However, even then, Ezekiel is the more detailed passage. Perhaps you should read the line from Proverbs in the light of the fully explanatory Ezekiel passage, rather than not believing Ezekiel and favoring your Calvinist reading of the Proverb.
There's nothing wrong with either book, the flaw lies in the Calvinist colored glasses you are reading it with. Thus the "contradiction."
beloved57
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Again you said there is a contradiction, not Ezekiel.
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I will say this clearly: your reading of the passage is not the same as scripture. Are you friends with Way 2 Go perchance?
beloved57
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God made the wicked for the day of destruction! Prov 16:4
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And the wicked can turn to righteousness, saith the Lord, and he shall live and not die. Therefore no person is condemned to remain wicked. Ezekiel 33, previously quoted.
Fortunately, you are wrong and God is permitted to be merciful.
beloved57
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God made the wicked for the day of destruction Prov 16:4
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Goodness, it's like talking to a brick wall.
beloved57
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Brick wall? Indeed, you are kind. I would have used the term, "sink hole" as in "huge". I trust you have found the "ignore" button? . . .
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Apparently, you do. In 5 days, God created the world and placed mankind in it. The World will be for all eternity the habitation of God. . . .and yet it will be destroyed. Can you reconcile that in the way you understand the word, "mankind"?
Let me help:
God is Wisdom. As with wisdom, God 'loves those who love Him'. (cf Prov. 8:17 KJV)
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Sticky wicket here: Is this not by promise the same way God handled Adam followed by the test? What was God looking for in both men they could only provide . . . . and their motivation for providing it? Why was David chosen to bring forth Jesus? Why are God's promises, to this day, all conditional? Why will some He has chosen ultimately be rejected?
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Do a study on the difference between redemption and salvation to understand that one wasn't and the other was, conditional. See what you come up with.
beloved57
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God called them the wicked, that is how it's determind. And the Lord made them for destruction. Prov 16:4
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And it doesn't give you the right to accuse God of making any of mankind hate Him. He needs no reason for that by Him simply because man himself has the capabilty of choosing whom he will love and whom he will hate. Get it now? Ergo, God loves those who love Him and hates those who hate Him. Move in that vein of truth and YOUR Bible will read differently to you!
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Wasn't meant to bring correction but more encouragement when sorting through the details.