ECT Questions for Roman Catholics

Sancocho

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Mexico has had no concordat with the Catholic Church and has long persecuted Catholic religious, even massacring them. Since Mexico City has also legalized abortion God's hand has been against them. Still, Mexico's overall homicide rate is lower than the US and would be much less if it wasn't for the scourge of drugs from the US.
 

Sancocho

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I challenge anyone here using statistics on the web to prove any country that has a Concordat has a higher homicide rate per 100,000 than any Protestant country in the West.

Please be advised that abortion is homicide albeit legal, per established science and the legal definition.
 

Sancocho

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As an American I feel it is my duty to try and get my fellow Christians to wake up and realize we are on the wrong path. The right path isn't dividing the Body of Christ like we have been doing for the last 200 years but rather focusing on Jesus Christ and love of neighbor, which would never allow us to sanction child sacrifice, homosexual indoctrination of children nor much less pornography. Yet this is what Americans as a whole do. In fact I don't hesitate to say many Protestants are more afraid to discuss theology with a Catholic that they are of abortion, homosexual indoctrination and pornography.

Worse is we Americans put politicians in office who are currently spending millions around the world promoting abortion and homosexual indoctrination through falsification of statistics, bribes, outright lying and manipulation via the IMF. These abominations won't go unanswered as the Bible says:

"Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants."
 

musterion

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I challenge anyone here using statistics on the web to prove any country that has a Concordat has a higher homicide rate per 100,000 than any Protestant country in the West.

Since we both consider abortion to be murder (legal or not):

In 2011, [Switzerland's abortion] rate was 6.8 per thousand women aged between 15 and 44. This is remarkably low compared to the United Kingdom (17.5), France (15 in 2009) and the United States (16 in 2008), for example.
source: http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/fertility-matters_the-secret-of-switzerland-s-low-abortion-rate/33585760

In 2009, the Italian abortion rate was 8.3 per 1,000 women aged 15-49
source: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/irish-and-italian-women-rejecting-abortion-stats

An international comparison of abortion rates per 1,000 women between the ages of 15 and 44, for the period 2008-2011 showed Italy as having the fifth lowest rate among 20 countries at 9.4 per 1,000.
source: http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/downing_tools/13162

Assuming some regions of Switzerland have a concordat with Rome (this list leaves Switzerland off entirely so I don't know), it is by and large a secular nation -- yet it's abortion rate has been lower than Italy's.

South Africa was also reported to be in the bottom 5 worldwide, and has more Dutch Reformed than Catholic and (that I can find) no concordat.

So that's two non-Catholic countries that have had lower reported abortion rates than where your papa lives.
 

musterion

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Mexico has had no concordat with the Catholic Church and has long persecuted Catholic religious, even massacring them. Since Mexico City has also legalized abortion God's hand has been against them. Still, Mexico's overall homicide rate is lower than the US and would be much less if it wasn't for the scourge of drugs from the US.

MEXICO:
Estimated 2010 Catholic population: 96,450.000
Percentage of population that is Catholic, 2010: 85
Percentage of world Catholic population: 8.9
Pew Research Center, “The Global Catholic Population"

2nd largest Catholic population, according to this.
 

Sancocho

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Since we both consider abortion to be murder (legal or not):

source: http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/fertility-matters_the-secret-of-switzerland-s-low-abortion-rate/33585760

source: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/irish-and-italian-women-rejecting-abortion-stats

source: http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/downing_tools/13162

Assuming some regions of Switzerland have a concordat with Rome (this list leaves Switzerland off entirely so I don't know), it is by and large a secular nation -- yet it's abortion rate has been lower than Italy's.

South Africa was also reported to be in the bottom 5 worldwide, and has more Dutch Reformed than Catholic and (that I can find) no concordat.

So that's two non-Catholic countries that have had lower reported abortion rates than where your papa lives.

Italy does not have a Concordat with the Vatican.

Also, I would recommend you refrain from using the abortionists methodology regarding abortion statistics. The correct way is to calculate it as a homicide. For example the number of homicides due to abortion in Switzerland is the number of homicides 10,000 divided by the population of 8,200,000 times 100,000 = 121, whcih is still higher that any country with a Concordat.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/fertility-matters_the-secret-of-switzerland-s-low-abortion-rate/33585760
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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God tells us to judge something by it's fruits. From that measure yes indeed the Catholics are true believers because in most majority Catholic countries with an official relationship with the Catholic Church child sacrifice is not allowed or is severely restricted, homosexual indoctrination of children is not allowed nor is pornography. On the other hand in Protestant nations all these are allowed. Worse still is these Protestant nations try to force these perversions on poor Catholic ones, they will receive their due.

Sorry, nobodies gonna buy your "baloney" here. Blaming Protestants
for everything, is not only absurd, it shows that you're an ignorant sort
of guy/gal. No offence.
 

1Way1Truth1Life

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Sorry, nobodies gonna buy your "baloney" here. Blaming Protestants
for everything, is not only absurd, it shows that you're an ignorant sort
of guy/gal. No offence.

Not to mention didn't some extremely held Catholic country by the catholic people just vote against God and vote in fake marriages of the homosexual variety..... :juggle:
 

Sancocho

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Sorry, nobodies gonna buy your "baloney" here. Blaming Protestants
for everything, is not only absurd, it shows that you're an ignorant sort
of guy/gal. No offence.

I am blaming false doctrine for the propagation of abominations. However, I ,as required by the Catholic Church, recognize Protestants are part of the Body and as such can be saved.

No one here can dispute the facts that Protestant nations have a higher incidence of homicide and homosexual indoctrination than Catholic countries.

Why would this be? Would it be because Protestants believe actually working for the faith to change society mean they are somehow trying to be saved through works??

In my opinion after attending various Protestant churches for years the feeling I got was Protestant were more focused on others perceived sins than the Gospel and love of one's fellow man.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Hall of Fame
I am blaming false doctrine for the propagation of abominations. However, I ,as required by the Catholic Church, recognize Protestants are part of the Body and as such can be saved.

No one here can dispute the facts that Protestant nations have a higher incidence of homicide and homosexual indoctrination than Catholic countries.

Why would this be? Would it be because Protestants believe actually working for the faith to change society mean they are somehow trying to be saved through works??

In my opinion after attending various Protestant churches for years the feeling I got was Protestant were more focused on others perceived sins than the Gospel and love of one's fellow man.

Where do you derive your "facts?" Did you get your information
from the Catholic Church?
 

Sancocho

New member
Not to mention didn't some extremely held Catholic country by the catholic people just vote against God and vote in fake marriages of the homosexual variety..... :juggle:

If you weren't aware homosexual indoctrination is being spread because of American and European Union tax dollars through their respective governments, the UN and various NGO's. Also, the liberal media has long decided it will promote homosexuality at all costs, including real science.

Therefore it is quite understandable that people are confused, Catholics or otherwise. Still, while many churches will fall away and embrace homosexuality, the Catholic Church never will, nor it can't. Scripture is clear and our doctrine always trumps any religious we may have that is misled.
 

Sancocho

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Where do you derive your "facts?" Did you get your information
from the Catholic Church?

Anyone here can calculate homicide rates based on a Google search.

Anyone here can also research which countries allow for teaching about homosexuality in sex education in the public education system.

By all means do the research and calcs yourself and post them here.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Hall of Fame
If you weren't aware homosexual indoctrination is being spread because of American and European Union tax dollars through their respective governments, the UN and various NGO's. Also, the liberal media has long decided it will promote homosexuality at all costs, including real science.

Therefore it is quite understandable that people are confused, Catholics or otherwise. Still, while many churches will fall away and embrace homosexuality, the Catholic Church never will, nor it can't. Scripture is clear and our doctrine always trumps any religious we may have that is misled.

How do you explain ALL the Catholic Priests and their, "homosexual child molestations??"
 

1Way1Truth1Life

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If you weren't aware homosexual indoctrination is being spread because of American and European Union tax dollars through their respective governments, the UN and various NGO's. Also, the liberal media has long decided it will promote homosexuality at all costs, including real science.

Therefore it is quite understandable that people are confused, Catholics or otherwise. Still, while many churches will fall away and embrace homosexuality, the Catholic Church never will, nor it can't. Scripture is clear and our doctrine always trumps any religious we may have that is misled.

God says differently. Romans 1
 

Sancocho

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How do you explain ALL the Catholic Priests and their, "homosexual child molestations??"

The incidence of Catholic priests that have sexual abused children is no greater than in the population. Any claims otherwise are a lie . Here are the facts done by an independent investigator.

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...nd-Deacons-in-the-United-States-1950-2002.pdf

Also, the secular press only talks about the Catholic abuse cases while failing to report the must worse issue of sexual abuse in Public schools. Here is another study that shows the sex abuse problem is 100 times worse in public schools.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-school/
 
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