ECT Q for those who DO believe in OSAS

[Grosnick Marowbe]

You make spiteful and vindictive threats on God's behalf just because some strangers on the internet got the better of you. How do you expect to be treated?

Anybody can get the "Better" of LA.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

LA LiAr.

Yep.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

LA should be pitied. She tries, where others succeed. Her best is, others worst.

 

[revpete]

John 3 says nothing in regards to the gospel given to Paul by the Lord Jesus Christ. The distinction is important.

I was referring to universal atonement and limited.

Pete

 

[Nick M]

Then a minister friend's wife asked me the question: do you believe that Jesus died for the sins of the world? I of course said I did and dutifully trotted out Jn. 3:16.

Died for sin, to pay the price for Adam's transgression is the important part. And it isn't in John, anywhere. He is the messiah, the savior. That is John. But that doesn't mean the messiah is going to have wrath poured out on him. The distinction is important.

Many think they will get salvation with a good relationship with Jesus. This isn't true. The relationship cannot happen until after salvation.

 

[revpete]

Died for sin, to pay the price for Adam's transgression is the important part. And it isn't in John, anywhere. He is the messiah, the savior. That is John. But that doesn't mean the messiah is going to have wrath poured out on him. The distinction is important.

Many think they will get salvation with a good relationship with Jesus. This isn't true. The relationship cannot happen until after salvation.

Yes but the relationship we have cannot happen without salvation.

Your point is well taken. However, the word wrath may not be used but surely Jesus did take the punishment for our sins, to deny this would be to deny substitutionary atonement.

Pete