ECT Ps 34 and prosperity vs the Gospel

[Interplanner]

The question of God providing complete prosperity (nice outcomes for believers on all levels) is similar to the question of God making Israel a nation again. Here is how: if God provided all that is needed in Christ, maybe he won't be doing total prosperity for every believer (or for Israel), because what he meant all along was true in Christ.

In 34:4,5, we find that total well-being consists of freedom from fear and shame. Even the afflicted person can enjoy that, and the text says so in v2. There does not have to be a total change of external cirmumstances for God to be true.

But in v20 we run into the external or physical claim that not a bone would be broken. Are we to be exacting here, and why here when the afflicted person was said to be just as able to rejoice as any other?

I find the resolution to be in v22 that his servants will not be condemned. The great gift of God's grace to those who believe is that they are not condemned, cp Romans 8:1. It does not matter what other circumstances turn into. It hurts, but it does not depreciate anything about God's truth for a person to have affliction.

 

[Nang]

The question of God providing complete prosperity (nice outcomes for believers on all levels) is similar to the question of God making Israel a nation again. Here is how: if God provided all that is needed in Christ, maybe he won't be doing total prosperity for every believer (or for Israel), because what he meant all along was true in Christ.

In 34:4,5, we find that total well-being consists of freedom from fear and shame. Even the afflicted person can enjoy that, and the text says so in v2. There does not have to be a total change of external cirmumstances for God to be true.

But in v20 we run into the external or physical claim that not a bone would be broken. Are we to be exacting here, and why here when the afflicted person was said to be just as able to rejoice as any other?

I find the resolution to be in v22 that his servants will not be condemned. The great gift of God's grace to those who believe is that they are not condemned, cp Romans 8:1. It does not matter what other circumstances turn into. It hurts, but it does not depreciate anything about God's truth for a person to have affliction.

Amen . . .

I Corinthians 15:54-57

 

[oatmeal]

The question of God providing complete prosperity (nice outcomes for believers on all levels) is similar to the question of God making Israel a nation again. Here is how: if God provided all that is needed in Christ, maybe he won't be doing total prosperity for every believer (or for Israel), because what he meant all along was true in Christ.

In 34:4,5, we find that total well-being consists of freedom from fear and shame. Even the afflicted person can enjoy that, and the text says so in v2. There does not have to be a total change of external cirmumstances for God to be true.

But in v20 we run into the external or physical claim that not a bone would be broken. Are we to be exacting here, and why here when the afflicted person was said to be just as able to rejoice as any other?

I find the resolution to be in v22 that his servants will not be condemned. The great gift of God's grace to those who believe is that they are not condemned, cp Romans 8:1. It does not matter what other circumstances turn into. It hurts, but it does not depreciate anything about God's truth for a person to have affliction.

Most certainly God is willing and able to supply all our need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus, Philippians 4:19

We all have various needs that come up, God wants that we go to Him as they arise and not pile up, thus "need" not "needs"

Those needs could pertain to or be spiritual, mental or physical.

God shall supply the need according to His poverty? Nope, His riches in glory.

There were many believers in scripture that God prospered. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Noah, Job, David, Solomon, Rahab, Ruth, Naomi, Peter, Jesus Christ, Paul at times ( We are to be self adequate in Christ, no matter the present circumstances.)

When we believe, we receive. God's promise and desire for our spiritual, mental, and physical prosperity is always available for those who are willing able and active to believe to meet the conditions for God to deliver.

 

[Interplanner]

Most certainly God is willing and able to supply all our need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus, Philippians 4:19

We all have various needs that come up, God wants that we go to Him as they arise and not pile up, thus "need" not "needs"

Those needs could pertain to or be spiritual, mental or physical.

God shall supply the need according to His poverty? Nope, His riches in glory.

There were many believers in scripture that God prospered. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Noah, Job, David, Solomon, Rahab, Ruth, Naomi, Peter, Jesus Christ, Paul at times ( We are to be self adequate in Christ, no matter the present circumstances.)

When we believe, we receive. God's promise and desire for our spiritual, mental, and physical prosperity is always available for those who are willing able and active to believe to meet the conditions for God to deliver.

and yet the Psalm says the afflicted person rejoices even though afflicted.

God's justification of a sinner does not stop the consequences of sin, and does not stop sin, and does not change the life-outcome of the repentant thief on the cross.

 

[Interplanner]

Justification and personal transformation are not to be confused. The certainty of the first is not found in the other.

This is why I enjoy the energy and many of the lyrics of 'pentecostal' fellowships, but not when they think that the next experience in life is 'guaranteed' to be fantastic. 'The chains are broken' and that's fine if you mean the DEBT of sin. It is not the same if they mean all aspects and fallout of sin that affects us. Sin is both DEBT and STAIN or SICKNESS. Justification is about the debt.