Then you need to clear the clutter from your mind.
Ah, I'll have to remember that one. When I fail to make myself clear, I'll just tell the reader to "clear the clutter" from his mind. :thumb:
Murder is defined already. And God knows what is and is not murder. He has told us. I have every right, nay every obligation to tell others who do not know. I do not, however, have the right to redefine it and call things that are not murder as though they are murder.
Are you suggesting members of the body of Christ do not know what murder is? Do you realize motive and intent are involved with that charge? Tell a mother she is guilty of murder for leaving her child in a hot car for a brief moment in time. Tell her she is guilty of murder for dragging her toddler out of the road while her baby drowns in a bucket of water on the porch. When does this "telling" cease?
I also do not have the right to say things are not murder when they are.
Nor do you have the right to claim what someone else does is murder when you cannot see into that person's heart. Charge a father who shoots a teenage prowler with murder. Charge a soldier who kills a child while shooting at a terrorist. Charge a policeman who makes an error in judgment. Charge a father who runs over his toddler in the driveway......sure looks like murder from the outside.
Yes I am denying there is a "spirit of the law," as far as the intent behind it being different from the letter of it. I am not denying the Spirit that gave that law. It is because the law was given by God, who is Spirit, that the law is spiritual.
Deny it if you like, but I don't think you understand what is meant by the term. David kept the spirit of the law when he ate the showbread....the letter said nay, but the spirit of the law allowed it.
Mercy has a definite place in the law. There are always exceptions to the letter of the law.
Looking at one who is not your spouse with lust is adultery committed in the heart. It was not punishable by the law as there was no act to prove it had taken place. One only had to claim they were thinking of their spouse if caught acting in lust while alone.
What? It has nothing to do with whether we're caught in the act or not. It has to do with external compliance as opposed to internal compliance.
And looking to the law for righteousness is foolishness and walking according to the flesh rather than the Spirit. This is not about righteousness. This is simply discussing what is sin and what is not.
How can anyone possibly have a discussion about sin without discussing righteousness?
That doesn't mean we can just go about doing that which is wrong. Sin is sin, and our freedom from it doesn't change that.
That's exactly what the Jews claimed would happpen when Paul taught his gospel of Grace. This "license to sin" charge is usually made by those who don't understand what happens to those who are crucified with Christ and raised in newness of life.
But even in that we have His word to which we can go while seeking Him in prayer to direct our paths.
Indeed, and is He faithful to perform what He has promised or not?
And people die every day. Should we just let the population dwindle?
It isn't our job to keep the population from dwindling. God always had a particular reason for the be fruitful and multiply command. It was to replenish the earth...in the beginning....after the flood....after great calamities befell the nation of Israel.
The entire discussion here is over what the Head said. What did He say? Are you listening?
I always do....to the Lord Jesus Christ not every preacher that comes along.
I know exactly what you meant.
I guess I made myself clear then, and can't say you should "clear the clutter". Shucks, I was hoping I could use that one. :sigh:
then maybe you should stop being so knee-jerk reactionary and ask him.
Uh, I say your knee is jerking pretty good just now.
See? Knee-jerk. :chuckle:
That last line is a lie from the pit of Hell. If there is any difference in god's commands for His people they are already spelled out in His word.
What this? Really? I think you're over-reacting.
glorydaz said:
What is right for you may be wrong for me.
It may be right for you to drink alcohol, but not me. It may be right for you to watch R-rated movies, but not me. Come on, Lighthouse, admit you JUMPED too quickly on that one.
No one is accusing you of sin. Sozo has always preached, since before I ever joined TOL, that we who are in Christ are free from sin; that Jesus took it all away and therefore we now have no sin.
His intent here was to say that it is a lie to say we have never had sin, or to say that there is no sin dwelling in our flesh, per Romans 7.
You think there is sin dwelling in our flesh? That is a direct contradiction to what Paul says in Romans 6 and Romans 8. It's a good excuse, though, for people to claim sin dwells in their flesh so they aren't guilty of anything. They couldn't help it, after all. The Spirit of LIFE in Christ frees us from that law of sin in the flesh you're talking about. Romans 8:2-3
Romans 6:6-7
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Colossians 2:10-12
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Stop letting your emotions rule you.
You're being emotionally reactionary and not paying attention, or allowing Sozo to tell you what he believes.
You really need to stop telling me to stop doing what you are doing yourself. If you can't see that YOU are being "emotionally reactionary" then perhaps you need to look a little closer.
