People are Not Basically Good, They're Basically Like the Beatles

[Mr. 5020]

I tried to listen to this show today, and the link doesn't work.

 

[Jefferson]

I tried to listen to this show today, and the link doesn't work.

I just fixed it. Try again.

 

[Mr. 5020]

I just fixed it. Try again.

I'm already listening to a different one.

 

[Lighthouse]

CabernetMan... Are you there?

He drank too much of his signature libation.

 

[CRASH]

Cab?

 

[Morphy]

Cab?

He doesn't know what to say. Pretty common among leftists.

 

[CabinetMaker]

He drank too much of his signature libation.

What signature libation?

 

[CabinetMaker]

CM: Have you been at an abortion clinic with Christian protestors outside? Our church members for years have been going to Denver's Planned Parenthood clinic every day they open their doors to kill kids. We count the number of "saves" we get each year. This year, we are behind our rate of the last few years. So far, with God's help, 60 moms who have showed up at the clinic for an abortion have changed their minds. We only count a save when it is 'confirmed.' When a young couple drives up, sees the protesters, slowly drives away, circles the block, and we see them parked a block away talking for an hour, and then they leave, we don't count that as a save, because it's not confirmed. When the mom tells us she's changed her mind, that she's not going to have the abortion, and either we bring her to a crisis-pregnancy center, or she drives away without seeing the abortionist, that's a save.

Pro-lifers can't control the deameanor of everyone who shows up at a protest, but when I go to the clinic, I see our church members calling out to a mom who, unspeakably, is about to destroy her own child, and damage herself almost irreperably. And many of these women, averaging over 100 per year at just our one clinic, change their minds, and give their children life.

So many moms would not respond unless we were calling out a "message of hope." Your judgmental claim that we don't offer such hope is belied by the moms who see the hope in our message as the only lifeline left for their child, and a chance for them to turn their own lives around. And moms are people as varied as any other, and they respond to VERY DIFFERENT types of messages. Some respond to an offer of help, others to the truth that "there are people who will love you with your baby, you don't have to kill your child to be loved and accepted," and others respond when the hard reality hits them that they are about to kill their own child. We prolifers have entire photo albums of babies saved by our protests, and countless stories of moms who return months later with their baby to thank us for being there when no one else was (for being where CabinetMaker and others were just to busy to be where the kids are being killed). Our church members have taken these moms for medical care, have been with them when they've given birth, and have developed life-long friendships with some of the strangers they met on the days they were out to kill their kids.

You have a caricature of a pro-lifer in your head that you must feed regularly, so that you can keep your hatred of those who dedicate countless hours, even years, to saving moms and kids.

Good will come from you and your crew showing up at clinics. Praise God that some of the women change their minds. But that is not the question I asked.

How many doctors have you sat down with and talked to in a calm and reasonable manor? You must show up every week at a clinic because you have not changed the heart of the problem. Doctors continue to provide abortions because they have no reason not to. They are frequently and openly condemned to hell by apponents of abortion.

If somebody comes to you at tells you that your interpretaion of the Bible is all BS and you should be killed for it, how open are you to listening to what that person has to say? Similarly, if you go to a doctor and say you should be killed, how open is that doctor going to be to hearing a message about a God that loves them. All they hear is God wants me dead. One of the things Jesus did that so iritated the Pharasies was when He went to dinner at a sinners house. Jesus was able to convict the heart of a sinner without condemning them. We don't seem to be able to do that. We gleefully condemn anybody who does not agree with our interpretation of the Bible. Condemning people for sins sure sounds like a strange way of giving a reason for the hope that we each have.

For all the good that comes from protesting at clinics, in the long run it accomplishes nothing. You are mearly treating a symptom, not the root cause. Far to many "charistians" offer no hope of salvation to those who need it most. I have heard you say that the only choice that homosexuals should have is how to die. Is their sin unforgivable by God? Is abortion an unforgivable sin? Are you saying that Jesus was not able to forgive all sins by His death?

 

[CabinetMaker]

About sixteen thousand people are illegally murdered in this country in a year. Over a million unborn people are legally murdered every year. That means there are almost 100 legal murders for every illegal one. And there aren't nearly as many unborn people as there are people who have been born.



You don't think more people would rob banks if it were legal?

You don't think murder against the born would increase if it were legal?

Our laws are far from godly. For instance, God commanded that every murderer be swiftly and painfully put to death upon conviction, and that would minimize such crimes. But in our rebellion against God, we only execute about 1% of convicted murderers, and we wait several year and we do it painlessly. Thus, instead of minimizing murders we have 16,000 each year.

But that's far better than legalizing murder altogether. For there is a small segment of the population who are legal to murder, and over a million of them are slaughtered each year at the request of their own mothers.

Turbo,
What is the purpose of the law? Is it for justice or is it for redemption?

 

[JoyfulRook]

I have heard you say that the only choice that homosexuals should have is how to die. Is their sin unforgivable by God? Is abortion an unforgivable sin? Are you saying that Jesus was not able to forgive all sins by His death?

That has to do with how Government Law should work. It's not that God can't forgive his sins, but unless the homo repents and becomes a Christian, the homo isn't forgiven of anything.

 

[Joe Roberts]

People are Not Basically Good, They're Basically Like the Beatles

Wednesday October 18th, 2006. This is show #208.

BEST QUOTE OF THE SHOW:

Summary:

* Hillary Clinton: is now wearing a cross around her neck, according to the NY Daily News, in an attempt to mock Christ by using the Christian symbol to get more votes:

* The Beatles: sang "all you need is love," and then they broke up.

* Paul McCartney: wrote the lyrics, "all you need is love," and then he broke up with his wife Heather.

* A Famous Beatle: beat his wife, stabbed her with a broken wine glass, assaulted her while she was pregnant, tried to stop her from breastfeeding their child, and verbally humiliated her, as his wife Heather has charged her husband Paul McCartney, who was allegedly a member of the Beatles!

* Maureen from Aurora: now understands that Jesus did NOT teach that we should forgive automatically, but that we should rebuke the brother who sins against us, and "if he repents, forgive him" (Luke 17:3)! On the cross, the Lord said, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do," because while they knew they were murdering an innocent man, they did NOT know (although they should have), that they were killing the Creator and Messiah!

Today's TWO Resources: 1) Bob's life's work, our bestselling 330-page unpublished manuscript, The Plot which discusses the forgiveness issue! 2) Enjoy Nicer than God, a fast-paced critique of today's Christian teaching on the issues of forgiveness, judging, confrontation, etc. in audiotape or MP3 CD format (to order the MP3 CD, you must call 800-8Enyart).

Finally someone agrees with me about Paul McCartney. The only problem is “All You Need is Love”, was a John Lennon Song.

 

[CabinetMaker]

That has to do with how Government Law should work. It's not that God can't forgive his sins, but unless the homo repents and becomes a Christian, the homo isn't forgiven of anything.

And since "christians" are the only ones saying it, all the world hears is, "God wants you dead." For a group of people who claim to worship a mercyful God, we sure do preach a lot of death...

 

[CabinetMaker]

Bump.

 

[JoyfulRook]

And since "christians" are the only ones saying it, all the world hears is, "God wants you dead." For a group of people who claim to worship a mercyful God, we sure do preach a lot of death...

A lot of sin and death was introduced into the world by Adam and Eve. God's really the merciful one here. All you have to do is repent and ask for fogiveness. That's not too hard.

 

[CabinetMaker]

A lot of sin and death was introduced into the world by Adam and Eve. God's really the merciful one here. All you have to do is repent and ask for fogiveness. That's not too hard.

Pretty simple. Pretty amazying of God. If homosexuality were illeagle and punishable by death, what would you do if a person stood up in a service and accepted Jesus. As part of their confession they admit to be gay, would it be right to kill them?

 

[Toast]

I think if homosexuality were made punishable by death, I think alot of gays would become straight that very day. And they would be saved from a life of misery which homosexuality brings. And they would be that much closer to seeing the truth in Christ's message, that they need a savior to fogive them of sins which they committed and hurt others with.

 

[Servo]

Pretty simple. Pretty amazying of God. If homosexuality were illeagle and punishable by death, what would you do if a person stood up in a service and accepted Jesus. As part of their confession they admit to be gay, would it be right to kill them?

If they truly repent then they would be forgiven of all their sins including homosexuality. If homosexuality were actually illegal and punishable by death and the person actually did commit a homosexual act under these laws, then the person should be arrested and tried for a capital crime.

 

[CabinetMaker]

If they truly repent then they would be forgiven of all their sins including homosexuality. If homosexuality were actually illegal and punishable by death and the person actually did commit a homosexual act under these laws, then the person should be arrested and tried for a capital crime.

Is it more important that Christians advocate the death penalty for moral issues or is it more important for Christians to reach out to the sinners and show them that Jesus forgives their sins no matter what they are? (Jesus still does that doesn't He? Forgives sins?)

What is a better way to give a reason for the hope that lies with in? Telling somebody they are a sinner and God wants them dead because of that sin or telling them that God wants to forgive their sins no matter what they are?

 

[Toast]

What is a better way to give a reason for the hope that lies with in? Telling somebody they are a sinner and God wants them dead because of that sin or telling them that God wants to forgive their sins no matter what they are?

CabinetMaker, I have two points from the Apostle Paul for you to consider.

1) The law is the ministry of death
2) The law is the tutor which brings men to Christ

Saying that God wants them dead is not far from the truth. For unless they see the fierceness of God's wrath which the law brings about, condemning wicked criminals and showing all men how evil they are, they will not seek a savior. For the fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom. Unless men know that they are evil, why would they seek a savior? And if they dont seek a savior, in truth, God will destroy them. Men who dont seek forgiveness aren't going to Heaven CabinetMaker.

 

[CabinetMaker]

CabinetMaker, I have two points from the Apostle Paul for you to consider.

1) The law is the ministry of death
2) The law is the tutor which brings men to Christ

Saying that God wants them dead is not far from the truth. For unless they see the fierceness of God's wrath which the law brings about, condemning wicked criminals and showing all men how evil they are, they will not seek a savior. For the fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom. Unless men know that they are evil, why would they seek a savior? And if they dont seek a savior, in truth, God will destroy them. Men who dont seek forgiveness aren't going to Heaven CabinetMaker.

Saying that God wants people dead is so far from the truth its scary. If God wanted people dead why would He send Jesus to die for us and raise us to ever lasting life? God wnats us with Him It is His greatest desire. But, those who refuse God will not go to heaven.

The law is the ministry of death because death is all that awaits those who live under the law. Living under the law should reveal this so that mankind seeks the salvation offered by Christ.