pacifism for true Jesus' followers.

marhig

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LOL!!!! Jesus being the 2nd in the trinity, didn't need TO TRAIN, all he had to do was speak it....also, he had command over 1000's of angels who would utterly destroy at Jesus' word.
Jesus also said in that chapter, that they were to put their sword away and that whosoever takes the sword shall perish with the sword.

Did Jesus use weapons to fight those who went against him? Or did he tell those that follow him to take up weapons and train to kill?
 

drbrumley

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Jesus also said in that chapter, that they were to put their sword away and that whosoever takes the sword shall perish with the sword.

And He was right. What's the context? 54 "But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?”

Did Jesus use weapons to fight those who went against him?

He is going to do just that, or haven't you heard?
 

steko

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Jesus also said in that chapter, that they were to put their sword away and that whosoever takes the sword shall perish with the sword.

Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.


That was not a universal truth which Christ stated, but was a warning specific to the situation.
If Peter and others had persisted with the sword that night they would have died that night.

Obviously, not every person who has ever fought with a sword has died by a sword.
 

meshak

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Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.


That was not a universal truth which Christ stated, but was a warning specific to the situation.
If Peter and others had persisted with the sword that night they would have died that night.

Obviously, not every person who has ever fought with a sword has died by a sword.

Why do you guys read all those non-violent verse to suit your wicked faith?

There is no reason to read the way you do.

Take a look at op verses if your reasoning harmonize with any of your excuses.
 

meshak

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:think:

John 2:15

15 New International Version (NIV)
15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

This too, you are comparing killing and overturning the table in the same category?
 

meshak

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nothing you guys brings up harmonize with Jesus' messages of non-violence.

Your excuses are like trying to hanging to the thin rope that snaps in a second.
 

steko

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Why do you guys read all those non-violent verse to suit your wicked faith?

There is no reason to read the way you do.

Take a look at op verses if your reasoning harmonize with any of your excuses.

We are simply responding to those who misuse the Scripture to reinforce their false doctrine.

That night, Peter cut off the ear of the servant of the high priest with a sword.

How does history say that Peter died?
 

Aimiel

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|What do you have to say about the verses of the OP?
Just like the rest of The Bible, they need to be taken in context and we need to read the whole Bible to understand them. I believe that we are required to serve in our country's military, by law, that we should obey that law and defend our country and those who don't have anyone else to defend them. All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.
Originally Posted by Aimiel

I guess that you don't believe the proberb: "In the multitude of counsellors is safety."
Sounds like multitude of blind guides.
You seem to judge others out-of-hand. You aren't making any sense or progress because of this fault. You need to be teachable to be able to grow. Without humility you're like a crooked stick that is of no use. It can't be straightened. Humility is the currency of Heaven, not conceit.
 

meshak

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We are simply responding to those who misuse the Scripture to reinforce their false doctrine.

That night, Peter cut off the ear of the servant of the high priest with a sword.

How does history say that Peter died?

Another lame excuse.

Then what Jesus do after Peter did it?

He rebuked him and heeled the Pharisee's ear.
 

Aimiel

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I'm going to take a wild stab of a guess here and say that you'd like to take vengeance against the Muslims for 9/11?
No, the destruction of the World Trade Center was merely their declaration of war against the USA. I'm for protecting American citizens by shipping them out of our country or locking them up like we did the Japanese during WWII. Until they learn not to wipe out entire populations of Christians once they take over power, they belong behind bars.
 

meshak

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Just like the rest of The Bible, they need to be taken in context and we need to read the whole Bible to understand them. I believe that we are required to serve in our country's military, by law, that we should obey that law and defend our country and those who don't have anyone else to defend them. All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.
You seem to judge others out-of-hand. You aren't making any sense or progress because of this fault. You need to be teachable to be able to grow. Without humility you're like a crooked stick that is of no use. It can't be straightened. Humility is the currency of Heaven, not conceit.

excuses excuses....
 
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