PneumaPsucheSoma
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On that topic... There is no Empirical means of determining Heliocentrism or Geocentrism (or Globular versus Flat Earth) without basing the outcome on the presuppositional input. The math works either way. The kinematics (movements) are the same, and dynamics (forces) are defined relative to preferred references.
My issue is propagandized manipulation and indoctrination from Naturalism by Atheistic Secularists. When professing Believers embrace absolutes beyond their scope of personal understanding, there's a problem.
I don't know whether the earth is flat or round, or whether the earth system is geo- or helio- centric. I also know no one else knows, but Empiricism-driven culture and societal constructs have demanded everyone take one adamant position that they have been given by established "authorities".
That makes me trend toward the opposite of whatever the status quo demands, even it's only a 51% tie-breaker as pre-ponderance of the evidence as "more likely than not".
Unless and until someone proves unequivocally and non-anecdotally that the earth is spherical and the earth system is heliocentric, I will not acquiesce. I've physically observed farther than the earth's purported curvature would allow, so someone's going to have to explain a lot with more than regurgitated anecdotes.
