Or they could just have hung out at TOL for a bit...

[Nick M]

I disagree about logos.

So what. 2 + 2 = 4 even if you don't want it to be so.

Word Origin and History for log-ic Expand
n.

mid-14c., "branch of philosophy that treats of forms of thinking," from Old French logique (13c.), from Latin (ars) logica, from Greek logike (techne) "reasoning (art)," from fem. of logikos "pertaining to speaking or reasoning," from logos "reason, idea, word" (see logos ). Meaning "logical argumentation" is from c.1600.

Words are a result of logic, as opposed to randomness.

 

[bybee]

"Everything we see everything we hear everything we experience has an effect on us. We grow, we learn, we change."
So Lovely! Heart of a Poet!

Thanks Rainee. I sometimes feel that there is music in words!

 

[bybee]

And yet we never achieve omniscience. In fact, many a wise man has noted that the more they've learned, the more there was to be learned.

"Omniscience" is not for us. We are on a fact finding mission. We work toward something.
As human beings we have a choice between two courses. One is toward the good which enables us to create.
The other is toward the bad which causes us to destroy.

 

[PureX]

"Omniscience" is not for us.

I agree. But then neither is righteous judgment. Because to judge rightly, and know that we have done so is not possible for us without omniscience. That doesn't mean we have to forgo judgment. it just means that we need to be aware of our fallibility, and judge for our own selves. Not for the whole world, as though we were gods.

We are on a fact finding mission. We work toward something.
As human beings we have a choice between two courses. One is toward the good which enables us to create.
The other is toward the bad which causes us to destroy.

That pretty much says it. And each time we decide which way we will go, we further define ourselves by that decision. Choice by choice, we are walking toward heaven, or we're walking toward hell.

 

[bybee]

I agree. But then neither is righteous judgment. Because to judge rightly, and know that we have done so is not possible for us without omniscience. That doesn't mean we have to forgo judgment. it just means that we need to be aware of our fallibility, and judge for our own selves. Not for the whole world, as though we were gods.
That pretty much says it. And each time we decide which way we will go, we further define ourselves by that decision. Choice by choice, we are walking toward heaven, or we're walking toward hell.

I believe the most unconscionable choice is to do nothing.

 

[PureX]

I believe the most unconscionable choice is to do nothing.

Maybe, but very often choosing to respect the lives, freedom, and choices of others by not passing judgment on them appears to be "doing nothing". When it isn't.

One of the reason I appreciate eastern philosophical thought so much is that it's based on the ideal of knowing why, when, and how to let things be.

 

[The Barbarian]

Humans can make sound and rational conclusions about things like tactics and math. About values and morality, not so much. It's still possible, but much more difficult. To say (for example) "l was wrong about you" is painful, but liberating; if you can manage it, you have reached a level of humanity that many will never know.