On the omniscience of God

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Clete said:
All we are really saying is that God is real and that He is, therefore, incapable of doing irrational things.
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Indeed, God, being real, and the Creator of all things, is the very foundation of what we call "reality."

To put it another way:

Reality is the thing that denotes He Who is Real (God), similar to how History is "His story."

It isn't that God cannot do these things because of some weakness or flaw but because to do them would be to not do them.
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Just checking, this is how you intended to word this, yes?
 
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DLH said:
Adam decided to challenge that.
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Adam didn't challenge that.
He did what came natural.
He wanted to please his wife.
Not for her sake but for his own ego.
Adam was of the earth and cared for what was earthy.
He chose himself and what was his over God.
 
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1Mind1Spirit said:
2Kings 6:17
17And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
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Revealing beings that are hidden from normal human eyes is not revealing another dimension.
 
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1Mind1Spirit said:
Do you mean rational human eyes?
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I mean literal, white, round, human eyeballs.

Wouldn't that add another aspect (dimension) to sight?
  1. an aspect or feature of a situation, problem, or thing.
    "sun-dried tomatoes add a new dimension to this sauce"
    synonyms:
    aspect · feature · element · facet · side
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Figuratively, yes. Literally, no. The horses and chariots of fire were literally there, standing on the mountain surrounding Elisha. I'm sure the man's eyes were open, physically, but God gave him the capability ("opened his eyes" is a figure of speech that means to enlighten someone about certain realities; cause someone to realize or discover something. The action was literal, but is described using a figure of speech to keep things simple) to see those entities.[/QUOTE]
 
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JudgeRightly said:
Indeed, God, being real, and the Creator of all things, is the very foundation of what we call "reality."

To put it another way:

Reality is the thing that denotes He Who is Real (God), similar to how History is "His story."



Just checking, this is how you intended to word this, yes?
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Yes, that's exactly how I intended to word it. Did you have to edit it for me? :)
 
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Yes, but God wouldn't want to, would He? It isn't logical.
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Of course He would want to!

Do you think He would have failed to avoid the death of His Son had He had such an alternative?

But the death of His Son was NECESSARY precisely because God had no alternative except to allow us all to die in our sin. It was necessary because God is not a magician and cannot do anything that might occur to His mind to do. He cannot go to a place that does not exist and therefore He cannot go to the past and change things because the past does not exist.

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1Mind1Spirit said:
Why would an open theist pray?
Open theists have no proof there is a God.
He's just an idea that can't be the real thing.
Y'all do pray don't ya?
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Calvinism is a metal disorder!

That's not a joke! I'm dead serious!

Open theism is the only doctrinal system in which it makes any sense to pray at all! And what does believing that the future isn't settled in advance have to do with whether God exists or not? It's just the rantings of a literal lunatic!

Hide and watch....

Try as you might, no one will ever get 1M1S to justify one single syllable of this utterly stupid post.
 
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Clete said:
Calvinism is a metal disorder!

That's not a joke! I'm dead serious!

Open theism is the only doctrinal system in which it makes any sense to pray at all! And what does believing that the future isn't settled in advance have to do with whether God exists or not? It's just the rantings of a literal lunatic!

Hide and watch....

Try as you might, no one will ever get 1M1S to justify one single syllable of this utterly stupid post.
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If folks are hiding and watching when are they gonna try anything?
You crack me up, Clete.
 
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Clete said:
Of course He would want to!

Do you think He would have failed to avoid the death of His Son had He had such an alternative?

But the death of His Son was NECESSARY precisely because God had no alternative except to allow us all to die in our sin. It was necessary because God is not a magician and cannot do anything that might occur to His mind to do. He cannot go to a place that does not exist and therefore He cannot go to the past and change things because the past does not exist.

Clete
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You said, "Would you agree that God cannot change the past

I asked, 'why would He want to?' I said that because God's plan was for Jesus to die on the cross.

Now I'm not sure why you're getting all flamboozled.

In other words. It's like I tell my kids, "why worry about what happened, it's done".
 
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glorydaz said:
You said, "Would you agree that God cannot change the past

I asked, 'why would He want to?' I said that because God's plan was for Jesus to die on the cross.

Now I'm not sure why you're getting all flamboozled.

In other words. It's like I tell my kids, "why worry about what happened, it's done".
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God's plan was for Adam to obey His command. Christ's death was the contingency plan.
If God was able to change the past, He wouldn't have even needed a plan at all and He certainly would not have chosen to die had He simply needed to pop into the past and fend off Lucifer from entering Eden.

The point of which is simply that there's all sorts of things that God cannot do - even if He wants to.
 
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Clete said:
God's plan was for Adam to obey His command. Christ's death was the contingency plan.
If God was able to change the past, He wouldn't have even needed a plan at all and He certainly would not have chosen to die had He simply needed to pop into the past and fend off Lucifer from entering Eden.

The point of which is simply that there's all sorts of things that God cannot do - even if He wants to.
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God is in control of time He can move it forward or backward.
And Hezekiah said to Isaiah, What is the sign that the Lord will heal me, and that I shall go up to the house of the Lord the third day? Then Isaiah said, This is the sign to you from the Lord, that the Lord will do the thing which He has spoken: shall the shadow go forward ten degrees or go backward ten degrees? And Hezekiah answered, It is an easy thing for the shadow to go down ten degrees, no but let the shadow go backward ten degrees. So Isaiah the prophet cried out to the Lord, and He brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down on the sundial of Ahaz (2 Kings 20:8-11).

And this is the sign to you from the Lord, that the Lord will do this thing which He has spoken: Behold, I will bring the shadow on the sundial, which has gone down with the sun on the sundial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees on the dial by which it had gone down (Isaiah 38:7,8).
 
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