Nunes Memo was altered

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By Wednesday, the release of the Republicans’ memo seemed imminent. Trump, who has attacked the credibility of the law enforcement agencies tasked with investigating him, assured a lawmaker on Monday evening that he “100%” plans to release the memo.

But on Wednesday night, Schiff announced a discovery he hopes will block, or at least delay, its release. The memo Nunes sent to the White House was a different version of the memo that was shared with lawmakers, Schiff wrote in a letter to Nunes on Wednesday.

“While the Majority’s changes do not correct the profound distortions and inaccuracies in your document, they are nonetheless substantive,” Schiff wrote in the letter.

The changes “try to water down” some of the Republicans’ assertions, a Democratic committee source, who requested anonymity to frankly discuss internal committee processes, told HuffPost. The changes were made ahead of the Monday vote but without the knowledge of all committee members, the source said.

When the committee voted on Monday to send the memo to Trump to approve for release, Rep. Jim Himes (D-Conn.) specifically asked Nunes if the memo shared with members of the House would “word for word” be made public, according to a transcript of the meeting.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...trump-adam-schiff_us_5a729a46e4b06fa61b4d57d6

Apparently, the truth changes from time to time for Nunes.
 

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By Wednesday, the release of the Republicans’ memo seemed imminent. Trump, who has attacked the credibility of the law enforcement agencies tasked with investigating him, assured a lawmaker on Monday evening that he “100%” plans to release the memo.

But on Wednesday night, Schiff announced a discovery he hopes will block, or at least delay, its release. The memo Nunes sent to the White House was a different version of the memo that was shared with lawmakers, Schiff wrote in a letter to Nunes on Wednesday.

“While the Majority’s changes do not correct the profound distortions and inaccuracies in your document, they are nonetheless substantive,” Schiff wrote in the letter.

The changes “try to water down” some of the Republicans’ assertions, a Democratic committee source, who requested anonymity to frankly discuss internal committee processes, told HuffPost. The changes were made ahead of the Monday vote but without the knowledge of all committee members, the source said.

When the committee voted on Monday to send the memo to Trump to approve for release, Rep. Jim Himes (D-Conn.) specifically asked Nunes if the memo shared with members of the House would “word for word” be made public, according to a transcript of the meeting.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...trump-adam-schiff_us_5a729a46e4b06fa61b4d57d6

Apparently, the truth changes from time to time for Nunes.

You'd LOVE to believe the Title of your thread, huh? It's all "wishful thinking" on your part. However, if you and your ilk will sleep better at night for believing lies, more power to Ya. I realize there's a portion of the citizenry that prefers to create their own "reality" and live within its perimeters, however, at the same time, there are others who choose to live within the confines of truth, reality, and full-on sanity. You have the right to live wherever you so desire. I won't begrudge you that dignity.
 

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The right to live in an "Alternate universe of the mind" has its drawbacks. One of those 'drawbacks' is, trying to convince those around you that, you and you alone, have a corner on the truth. And, that's quite a task to try and substantiate. I don't envy guys like you. In order to prove your "truth", you have to be willing to look odd to others around you. Most people would rather blend in or at least, attempt to appear rational and intellectually honest. However, if one is willing to "pay the price" one may, at least, gain some undesirable attention. Know what I'm getting at? If you do, blink twice.
 

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You'd LOVE to believe the Title of your thread, huh?

The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee made “material changes” to a secret memo he shared with lawmakers before sending it to the president to approve for final release, the top Democrat on the committee said Wednesday night.

Adam Schiff (Calif.), the committee’s ranking Democrat, called on Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) to withdraw the version of the classified memo he sent to the White House on Monday, arguing that a prior vote in favor or releasing the memo was invalidated by Nunes’ changes.

The memo, drafted by Nunes’ staff, reportedly accuses the Justice Department and the FBI of abusing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) in the fall of 2016 to spy on Carter Page, a Trump campaign adviser.

Earlier this month, members of the House Intelligence Committee voted along party lines to allow all members of the House to read the memo. Several Republicans hyped the document as evidence of a cabal of law enforcement officials determined to block President Donald Trump from entering office and to undermine his presidency. Democrats dismissed the memo as an inaccurate and misleading attempt to impugn law enforcement officials and undermine special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into ties between the Trump campaign and Russia. Schiff, one of two members of the committee who has seen the underlying intelligence on which the memo is based, accused Nunes and Republicans who backed the memo of politicizing intelligence to protect Trump.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...trump-adam-schiff_us_5a729a46e4b06fa61b4d57d6

Since Nunes has already been caught trying to protect Trump in the investigation, that's no surprise:

The House Intelligence Committee’s Russia investigation all but ran aground last week, after Nunes went to the media — and Trump — with information about the surveillance reports before informing committee Democrats.

“The biggest mistake was not consulting with the Democrats,” said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who has previously criticized Nunes’s actions, and who applauded his decision to step down. “You have to do that if you’re going to be successful around here, especially on national security issues.”

Democrats accused Nunes, who served on Trump’s transition team, of coordinating the disclosure with the White House, where at least three officials were tied to the files Nunes viewed. Democrats have also accused Nunes of working with the Trump administration to keep former acting attorney general Sally Yates from testifying publicly before the committee.

On March 28, the heads of advocacy groups Democracy 21 and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington sent a letter to the Office of Congressional Ethics asking investigators to look into whether Nunes disclosed classified information. It is not clear whether that letter inspired an inquiry.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...824bbb5d748_story.html?utm_term=.0a85f06fbdd8


The Call Was Coming From Inside the White House

A new report says that Devin Nunes’s bombshell claim of spying on the Trump team came from the Trump administration itself.
For more than a week, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes has provided the hottest topic for speculation in Washington: Where did he receive mysterious reports that suggested intelligence surveillance of Trump transition team officials?

Now, there appears to be an answer, courtesy of The New York Times: a pair of officials in the Trump White House. The paper reports:

Several current American officials identified the White House officials as Ezra Cohen-Watnick, the senior director for intelligence at the National Security Council, and Michael Ellis, a lawyer who works on national security issues at the White House Counsel’s Office and formerly worked on the staff of the House Intelligence Committee.

The White House did not comment. Nunes’s spokesman reiterated that he would not identify his source.

In short, the new chronology is this: White House officials leaked intelligence information to Nunes, who then announced them last Wednesday as fresh revelations, saying that he had received them from an unnamed source and that the White House was unaware. Nunes then made a show of going to the White House to brief President Trump on revelations that had come from his staff in the first place. The administration finally used the information to claim vindication on its still-evidence-free claims that President Obama surveilled then-candidate Trump.

This runs directly counter to Nunes’s statements on March 22. Before he went to the White House, a reporter asked Nunes whether the White House should be briefing him, rather than the reverse.

“Well, the administration isn’t aware of this, so I need to make sure I go over there and tell them what I know, because it involves them,” he replied.

The revelation underscores complaints that Nunes, a California Republican and close ally of the president, is too close to the administration or is even working at its behest. It also sheds new light on a strange incident preceding the Wednesday revelation. Nunes visited a National Security Council sensitive-information room at the White House complex to view classified information, but he claimed—somewhat implausibly—that White House officials were unaware of his visit, and White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer has deferred questions to Nunes, saying he has no information about the visit. If the Times report is correct, it casts doubt on the truthfulness of Nunes’s story on that count, too. The chairman said his information came from an intelligence official, although Ellis is a Navy Reserve intelligence officer.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/nunes-white-house/521358/

These guys always think they're too clever to get caught. And that's always what brings them down.

However, if you and your ilk will sleep better at night for believing lies,

"The democrats are lying!"
"The media are lying!"
"The FBI is lying!"
"The American people are lying!"
"Trump's own people are lying!"

At some point, you're going to have to make an accommodation with reality, Grosnik.
 

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The Nunes memo was altered ...

Without a doubt ... the selective, truth altering memo was never valid to begin with. We know this based on the fact that Trump's stooges will not allow the actual FACTS to be presented.
 

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House Intel GOP Responded to Schiff's allegations, and Byron York of the Washington Examiner spoke with House Intel sources who said that the "material changes" consisted of grammatical fixes, a change requested by the FBI to protect methods and sources, and a change requested by Democrats for accuracy.

Byron York said:

Just talked with House Intel source. Said total changes to memo were: A) Unknown number of 'grammatical and clarifying' fixes. B) One change requested by FBI due to sources & methods concerns. C) One two-word change requested by Democrats for accuracy.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ecretly-altering-fisa-memo-white-house-review

Schiff knows that when the truth comes out that Mueller will be fired and the investigation of Trump will end!

Then there will be mass suicides of those who deluded themselves into believing that Trump really did something illegal!
 

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House Intel GOP Responded to Schiff's allegations, and Byron York of the Washington Examiner spoke with House Intel sources who said that the "material changes" consisted of grammatical fixes, a change requested by the FBI to protect methods and sources, and a change requested by Democrats for accuracy.

Byron York said:

Just talked with House Intel source. Said total changes to memo were: A) Unknown number of 'grammatical and clarifying' fixes. B) One change requested by FBI due to sources & methods concerns. C) One two-word change requested by Democrats for accuracy.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ecretly-altering-fisa-memo-white-house-review

Schiff knows that when the truth comes out that Mueller will be fired and the investigation of Trump will end!

Then there will be mass suicides of those who deluded themselves into believing that Trump really did something illegal!
Yep, this is their attempt to discredit the memo before it gets released. Raising doubts about the memo is the only thing they can do and their side will eat it up by the mouthful. This wasn't in their plans.
 

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And the usual thrashing, as yet another diversion comes apart in mid-air.

So the fact that the deep state has been trying to overturn the democratic election of our President is nothing but a "diversion" to you!

And nothing at all has come apart in mid-air except for the fact that the dastardly deeds of the deep state are being been exposed!

And of course the Demos are doing everything in their power to keep those deeds secret! And later you will be defending those deeds!
 

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The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee made “material changes” to a secret memo he shared with lawmakers before sending it to the president to approve for final release, the top Democrat on the committee said Wednesday night.

Adam Schiff (Calif.), the committee’s ranking Democrat, called on Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) to withdraw the version of the classified memo he sent to the White House on Monday, arguing that a prior vote in favor or releasing the memo was invalidated by Nunes’ changes.

The memo, drafted by Nunes’ staff, reportedly accuses the Justice Department and the FBI of abusing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) in the fall of 2016 to spy on Carter Page, a Trump campaign adviser.

Earlier this month, members of the House Intelligence Committee voted along party lines to allow all members of the House to read the memo. Several Republicans hyped the document as evidence of a cabal of law enforcement officials determined to block President Donald Trump from entering office and to undermine his presidency. Democrats dismissed the memo as an inaccurate and misleading attempt to impugn law enforcement officials and undermine special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into ties between the Trump campaign and Russia. Schiff, one of two members of the committee who has seen the underlying intelligence on which the memo is based, accused Nunes and Republicans who backed the memo of politicizing intelligence to protect Trump.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...trump-adam-schiff_us_5a729a46e4b06fa61b4d57d6

Since Nunes has already been caught trying to protect Trump in the investigation, that's no surprise:

The House Intelligence Committee’s Russia investigation all but ran aground last week, after Nunes went to the media — and Trump — with information about the surveillance reports before informing committee Democrats.

“The biggest mistake was not consulting with the Democrats,” said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who has previously criticized Nunes’s actions, and who applauded his decision to step down. “You have to do that if you’re going to be successful around here, especially on national security issues.”

Democrats accused Nunes, who served on Trump’s transition team, of coordinating the disclosure with the White House, where at least three officials were tied to the files Nunes viewed. Democrats have also accused Nunes of working with the Trump administration to keep former acting attorney general Sally Yates from testifying publicly before the committee.

On March 28, the heads of advocacy groups Democracy 21 and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington sent a letter to the Office of Congressional Ethics asking investigators to look into whether Nunes disclosed classified information. It is not clear whether that letter inspired an inquiry.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...824bbb5d748_story.html?utm_term=.0a85f06fbdd8


The Call Was Coming From Inside the White House

A new report says that Devin Nunes’s bombshell claim of spying on the Trump team came from the Trump administration itself.
For more than a week, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes has provided the hottest topic for speculation in Washington: Where did he receive mysterious reports that suggested intelligence surveillance of Trump transition team officials?

Now, there appears to be an answer, courtesy of The New York Times: a pair of officials in the Trump White House. The paper reports:

Several current American officials identified the White House officials as Ezra Cohen-Watnick, the senior director for intelligence at the National Security Council, and Michael Ellis, a lawyer who works on national security issues at the White House Counsel’s Office and formerly worked on the staff of the House Intelligence Committee.

The White House did not comment. Nunes’s spokesman reiterated that he would not identify his source.

In short, the new chronology is this: White House officials leaked intelligence information to Nunes, who then announced them last Wednesday as fresh revelations, saying that he had received them from an unnamed source and that the White House was unaware. Nunes then made a show of going to the White House to brief President Trump on revelations that had come from his staff in the first place. The administration finally used the information to claim vindication on its still-evidence-free claims that President Obama surveilled then-candidate Trump.

This runs directly counter to Nunes’s statements on March 22. Before he went to the White House, a reporter asked Nunes whether the White House should be briefing him, rather than the reverse.

“Well, the administration isn’t aware of this, so I need to make sure I go over there and tell them what I know, because it involves them,” he replied.

The revelation underscores complaints that Nunes, a California Republican and close ally of the president, is too close to the administration or is even working at its behest. It also sheds new light on a strange incident preceding the Wednesday revelation. Nunes visited a National Security Council sensitive-information room at the White House complex to view classified information, but he claimed—somewhat implausibly—that White House officials were unaware of his visit, and White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer has deferred questions to Nunes, saying he has no information about the visit. If the Times report is correct, it casts doubt on the truthfulness of Nunes’s story on that count, too. The chairman said his information came from an intelligence official, although Ellis is a Navy Reserve intelligence officer.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/nunes-white-house/521358/

These guys always think they're too clever to get caught. And that's always what brings them down.



"The democrats are lying!"
"The media are lying!"
"The FBI is lying!"
"The American people are lying!"
"Trump's own people are lying!"

At some point, you're going to have to make an accommodation with reality, Grosnik.

Where would you get your "material" if CNN and their infamous ilk didn't exist? I guess guys like you would just have to make things up? Although no disrespect intended, I highly doubt you'd have the imagination to create the kind of "fiction" that would be plausible.
 

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..... Schiff knows that when the truth comes out that Mueller will be fired and the investigation of Trump will end!

Then there will be mass suicides of those who deluded themselves into believing that Trump really did something illegal!

Speaker Paul Ryan has reassured the American public that the Nunes' memo is part of congressional oversight of the FBI and has nothing to do with an attempt to terminate the Mueller Investigation - the Republicans and the White House need to get together to at least get their "lies" straight!

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So, I read that they have to release the memo by reading it into the congressional record and there's a session on Friday where they could do that.
 

The Barbarian

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Schiff knows that when the truth comes out that Mueller will be fired and the investigation of Trump will end!

You've been suckered again:

Speaker Ryan says GOP memo set for release is not an indictment of the FBI, DOJ, Rod Rosenstein, or Robert Mueller: "It does not impugn the Mueller investigation or the deputy attorney general." Ryan defended the memo at a press conference with reporters.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...oes_not_impugn_fbi_mueller_or_rosenstein.html

It's not clear whether he's referring to the original version or the altered version, or both. Doesn't matter. One more diversion down the tubes.
 

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You've been suckered again:

Speaker Ryan says GOP memo set for release is not an indictment of the FBI, DOJ, Rod Rosenstein, or Robert Mueller: "It does not impugn the Mueller investigation or the deputy attorney general." Ryan defended the memo at a press conference with reporters.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...oes_not_impugn_fbi_mueller_or_rosenstein.html

It's not clear whether he's referring to the original version or the altered version, or both. Doesn't matter. One more diversion down the tubes.

How is it "down the tubes" if we haven't seen it yet?
 

The Barbarian

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How is it "down the tubes" if we haven't seen it yet?

Either the guys who convinced Jerry are lying, or Ryan is. Since Jerry has repeatedly posted stuff that turned out to be false, what would you think?

On the other hand, what does Ryan have to gain by this:
Speaker Ryan says GOP memo set for release is not an indictment of the FBI, DOJ, Rod Rosenstein, or Robert Mueller: "It does not impugn the Mueller investigation or the deputy attorney general."

Which of those two stories do you think is more likely?
 

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So the fact that the deep state has been trying to overturn the democratic election of our President is nothing but a "diversion" to you!

And nothing at all has come apart in mid-air except for the fact that the dastardly deeds of the deep state are being been exposed!

And of course the Demos are doing everything in their power to keep those deeds secret! And later you will be defending those deeds!

The "DEEP STATE" was invented by the same motley crew of "deplorables" who spent 8 years questioning President Obama's birth certificate, accusing him of wiretapping Trump Towers and alleging Ted Cruz's father was involved in the JFK assassination!

With the help of FOXNEWS, "The Donald" and his surrogates could convince his core of supporters that the earth was flat!
 
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