Hia and in Luke 23:42 , the thief said to Jesus , Lord REMEMBER me when thou cometh into thy KINGDOM !!~
The KINGDOM means LAND does it not ??
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Hia and in Luke 23:42 , the thief said to Jesus , Lord REMEMBER me when thou cometh into thy KINGDOM !!~
The KINGDOM means LAND does it not ??
dan p
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No, a 'basileiu' is a realm of influence, a reign. Find out what Christ reigned over upon his ascension. There are other words for provinces--if they had wanted to compete with a Roman definition of one
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Because for the 2nd time the country was being demolished and Paul knew why. I don't think he believed '3rd time is a charm'
Any time he is quoting in those passages in Genesis where he could have referenced the land, he does not and the apostles do not. Gal 3, etc.
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There is nothing in the messianic vision from Isaiah on that 'needs' the land. It is about reaching the nations with a message. The same in Ps 68. It is always expanding beyond. And it is about this age; it is about the work that the apostles were actually doing right then. To Paul it seemed completed by the end of his life.
Do you actually think our faith wants everyone to visit Jerusalem once a year like an Islamic 'hajj' where you see the millions swirling around the shrine in Mecca?
Do you actually think our faith wants everyone to visit Jerusalem once a year like an Islamic 'hajj' where you see the millions swirling around the shrine in Mecca?
The distinct Prophetic aspect of God's TWO-Fold Purpose - Prophecy and (just as distinct) Mystery - misread by your kind into a "one size fits all" hybrid.
What...a...mess.
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It is comical that 2P2P keeps using this line. Here in Acts 26 is the limitation that Paul was TRULY concerned about. It was irrelevant whether anything was said about the land. Nothing was to be said beyond the Gospel and the mission.
But what does 2P2P obsess about?
There is nowhere in the NT where some grand miracle of mercy is found in favoring Israel to be back in their land. An event like that cannot possibly compete with the mercy that is already in Christ, and we see in 11:30 that God has shown that mercy to all who believe. There is no favoritism with God and there is no reference to the land in the NT that comes anywhere close to the Gospel.
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Your unbelief is astounding.
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Matthew 10:23 (KJV)
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Do you know "the Greek" better than the team of KJB translators?
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:chuckle:
Dude, you're the one who has started 46 threads on the topic of the land.
Hi and just maybe , the CROSS means a SWOON , and Paradise and Hell are also a SCARED TACTIC and Acts 1:6 , is a FALSE PROMISE , good Job IP and in Ezek 36:24 - 28 and Christ also back away from this PROMISE !!
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He did not proclaim a state; that would have been considered sedition. Only once did his kind of kingdom come up as a question: at the crucifixion trial and it was 'not of this world.' So he kept a clear record of never meaning a civic, geographic state as we know it.